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SJB
MemberOvomorphJune 08, 2012I thought it was interesting that there are no subtitles for the language David uses when he speaks with the Engineer they have just woken it up? Any thoughts on what you think he said?
June 08, 2012
@Svanya
With out a doubt, they need to know right from wrong and be given equal respect. If these movies have taught us anything :)
June 08, 2012
A conversation is almost undeniably is missing.
[url=http://ifonlyuk.com/interviews/interview-daniel-twiss/]Daniel had lines which he learned and performed[/url]. They are [u]missing[/u] from the film.
Because David smiled, I also think that something meaningful likely originally transpired between them.
That said, as artyoh pointed out, the Engineer was likely a military agent or some such and most recently (2k years ago = "yesterday"?) under some kind of order to annihilate humanity. Perhaps he saw in David's obeisance to Weyland (whom even a dog would instantaneously recognize as evil) that the "bad guys" had to go.
I am DYING to know what transpired linguistically between the Engineer and David in the original. It feels like an utter tragedy to me that it was cut.
June 08, 2012
David isn't [i]just[/i] a toaster, that's for sure. Certainly not [i]everything[/i] he did was at Weyland's behest, and he had to react to situations as they unfolded. They weren't in constant communication.
It is funny how so many people have bitched about Lindelof's ambiguity......and yet, here we are muddling through it with theories and speculation. If the story had been tied up into a neat little bow, that wouldn't be happening....it would be over and done....."The Thing" prequel, anyone?
Besides, if you really want to blame anyone for ambiguities, you need look no further than Ridley Scott, himself.
June 08, 2012
Find someone who speaks Mayan. It doesnt look like he asked the engineer for anything, sounds more like he was greeting him.
June 08, 2012
Like I said, the dude had been in a freezer for 2000 years, but he wasn't [i]conscious[/i] of that time passing.........he had every intention of wiping us out, just before he went to sleep.......why the hell would he be happy to find us waking him up?
We will [i]never[/i] learn chapter and verse about these monsters, because the more they're defined, the less ( apparently ) threatening they will become.
But back to the whole "wiping us out" business.......we only "know" that because David informs us of it.....who says he's necessarily being honest about that? heh heh
June 08, 2012
After watching the movie I can say that I don't see too much of Lindelof's hand in there. I guess he was to Ridley Scott much as David was to Weyland. He just followed directions and he must be good at it because he just got another similar job rewriting Wold War Z.
June 08, 2012
I have a feeling that David was asking Shaw's question, but the Engineer, probably being a "man on a mission", decapitated him and took the others down. He was probably some sort of soldier, though I can't be too certain, but I'm sure that a soldier of his type obeys directives with no questions asked.
Granted, he did look a bit puzzled when he was awoken, to meet these little people, whom he probably recognized as his race's creation.
June 08, 2012
1) The Engineer expresses surprise (assuming he has human facial expressions) when David speaks a combo of ancient languages which means he may understand how to operate Engineer text/control panels.
2) As an 'engineer' or 'maker' he immediately realizes there's something different about David's make. Upon which he grabs David's head and then promptly rips it off. Why? Because to an Engineer, David is patchwork doll - a crude effigy of real living creations, such as humans made by engineers. And more it shows the Engineer that 'humans' have retained both the desire and ability (if terribly crude - so far!) to make life, just as the Engineers do.
3) I think this speaks to one of two reasons the engineers consider humans of earth a dangerous variant experiment and a failed one (because 2000 years ago something happened and they decided to xenomorph the planet.)
June 09, 2012
What I find interesting about David is that I am never sure as to his intentions. Is he following orders all the time from Weyland? Or is he filling the gaps with his experiences in his own time and taking learnings from readng peoples dreams? This is what makes me question what did David really say to the Engineer?
June 09, 2012
given David's record of inciting problems, i have a feeling this one could have been the worst. he easily could have said something to the effect of 'You've been asleep for 2,000 years, we have killed almost all of your race, and are here to wipe the last of you from the universe.'
not much short of that would cause the rage the Engineer from then on acts with. one moment standing in wait and conversation...the next ripping the head off of David and killing all humans he can easily reach. once his ship is grounded he then comes after the only remaining human, Shaw, with a hell of a bone to pick with her. if it wasn't for Cuddles the squid, he'd have done to her what he did to David.
this theory could of course be wrong, but i think it's a plausible explanation for the Engineer's actions.
June 09, 2012
It is obvious what he said i understood it completely.
David to Engineer: "I hope to F*** this does not end my career as im hoping to be in the X Men Sequel. Can ya just give me a decent death so perhaps i still save some face"
June 09, 2012
@SJB
Hmmm. What if David requested death? If the Engineers are a benign race, perhaps that explains why he placed his hand on David before taking his head off.