Whats wrong with you people??

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MarcoBot1234

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All you haters out there im not exactly sure where this is coming from. I went to see the midnight IMAX showing in Montreal and it completely lived up to my expectations and more. I havent been in a movie that sparked more post-viewing conversation since probably 2001. First off visually the work was masterfully crafted. Whether its vast scenery to every minute detail aboard the Prometheus ship, to the tech, to the caves in the pyramid. Every shot was beautiful to look at. I felt i could put a picture frame and put these images up on my wall lol. Need i mention the amazing musical score that kept tention up and set the tone for the movie. Casting wise I heard so much hate towards some of the characters, how certain characters werent fleshed out properly and so forth. I felt each character had their own moments whether big or small you didnt need any more. Fifield and Milburn got a couple laughs out of the audience. I dont think i need to mention how superb the main cast acted out their roles, Charlize, Noomi, Fassbender, Elba even Pearce were all excelent. Now for the story, hugely debated whether its flimsy and lacking in substance. I had no problems with it, for the two hours i was completely submerged in the story, it kept me guessing and led us to areas we wouldnt of expected. People complain about the lack of answers and certain points being left unexplained but thats the beauty of it. I love those open ended questions allowing the viewer to use his BRAIN and create his/her own theories. Ive read many many reviews, both positive and negative. Ive read posts onthis forum and the negative reviews have led me to believe that the reason WHY there is so much HATRED for this film is because they entered the theater with set expectations. People expected to see another ALIEN movie, similarly structured, similar tension, similar cast (people wanted another Ripley). THIS IS WRONG Weve been told again and again this is a STAND ALONE MOVIE, set in the universe of ALIEN. Ridley Scott set out to make a NEW film something different. He decided to go on another tangent and bring us something FRESH, NEW and EXCITING and in my book he has delivered spectacularly. This film was dark, creepy, well casted, exceptional direction from SIR RIDLEY SCOTT. One of the best movies Ive seen in a LONG TIME! Well deserves multiple viewings to catch all the details

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TheNextLV426June 09, 2012

I'm glad you enjoyed if. Personally I went in with an open mind and hated it. For me it didn't deliver.

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RickRoftJune 09, 2012

I think that haters were not around in 1979, or have not followed Ridley Scott and his projects. There will always be haters and everyone is entitled to their opinions the only difference is they are seldom listened to or taken to heart by the people that matter.

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TheNextLV426June 09, 2012

@rickrolf. I was around in 79

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BenBishopJune 09, 2012

well said marco. i for one loved it.

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TheRealDavidJune 09, 2012

I have to agree, my only real complaint is it felt about 30 mins. too short. Excited for the next (obviously) installment! Haters gonna hate...

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TheNextLV426June 09, 2012

Fanboys gonna fan. What's your point?

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inlovewithalienJune 09, 2012

you are 100% correct, this movie was everything i hoped for. I was in a way glad they didnt bring alien into it so much, i wanted to learn more about the space jockeys

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TSchieferJune 09, 2012

Straight up. They're the same people who lambasted Alien3 because it wasn't AL()ENS, and I thought Scott did a tremendous job. It had the perfect mix of familiar and new. "Well I wanted more answers!" Exactly. That was the point. "So predictable!" Great Monday morning quarterbacking. "They didn't explain the proto-facehugger!" Did they have to? "They ended it with so many loose ends!" And they just ran out of film to shoot a sequel with! The whole world is out! "Everything was too conveniently lined up for the characters!" That used to be called tightly knit story progression. But you're right, choppy film making is all the latest rage. Thank christ there was someone else on here who thought the same thing. I literally just joined to say the same thing. The film was gorgeous, the casting and acting was brilliant, the effects were tight, the story was legit and serves the Alien legacy well.

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GetEveryoneJune 09, 2012

Agreed. I absolutely love Prometheus, but with caveats. There is just an incredible amount of richness to the story Scott is telling and I feel like its overshadowed by the looming Alien presence. Had the story realised its intention in the last act and more fully fleshed out it's themes, it would have been a rousing success. Instead we have an awe-inspiring two-thirds and a muddled last act. http://cavalorn.livejournal.com/584135.html#cutid1 Someone posted this in a thread earlier. I don't necessarily agree with all his readings, but at least it gives you an indication as to the films depths. Also, for posterity I'll repeat this here: the mutagen surrounding the vases is different to the bio former sealed in the glass vials (as evidenced by Holloway's apparent decomposition).

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ArchEtechJune 09, 2012

If you think Prometheus was a great movie, you must be a fan of Twilight. That pretty much sums it up.

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SamboJimJune 09, 2012

@ArchEtech Don't diss Twilight like that again man! Twilight has got more to offer than that! lol

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BatchpoolJune 09, 2012

I starting to wonder if anyone out there is a fan of Prometheus, and NOT a fan of Alien. I enjoyed Prometheus and from other people's reviews I'm starting to discover that the so-called plot holes are in fact clues. Its just a case of joining up some of the dots. I reckon Prometheus is one of those films that HAS to be seen more than once to take everything in. Just to re-iterate a minor point, its not Alien.

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ArchEtechJune 09, 2012

I think it was made purely to dis the fan base of the Alien mythology. Ridley has been quoted as being irritated by fan sites. It's not unheard of for fans to take art more to heart than the creator of it. I think the movie would be more enjoyable without thinking of it as part of the Alien universe. I think there is a good chance that many people who like Prometheus either havent seen Alien, or Aliens, or didn't like them. Whatever the angle, Prometheus as a stand alone movie is very mediocre at best. At its worst, it's an insult to what makes good science fiction.

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TSchieferJune 09, 2012

Wow, ArchEtech! Did you spend all of recess coming up with that ringer, or did you have time for a quick game of Yugioh in too?

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TalynJune 09, 2012

MarcoBot1234, I admire your passion and I try not to offend, but I must speak. Everything you said needs to be rethought. Visually, yes, it was nice, but that was ONLY to hid a terrible script, almost every SF movie is "visually beautiful", because they are made to take our imagination to somewhere else. Secondly, the score (which I do have), is flawed!!! Don't believe me? I DARE you to compare the score of Prometheus to the score of Superman, YES, Superman (1978 John Williams) for parts are IDENTICAL! Casting?!! Some of the characters WERE NOT NECESSARY TO THE STORY, nor did they develop them enough for me to inspire ANY type of sympathy for them. Now here is the part that really pisses me off...If you want to make a story that doesn't follow the Alien "guidelines", THEN DON'T BASE IT ON THE SAME DAMN PLANET (LV426)!! THERE IS A HUGH UNIVERSE OUT THERE PICK A SPOT! I'm sorry my friend, but AVP was much better than Prometheus, Ridley should have watched that before making this crap. By next week another movie will take the top spot from Prometheus.

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SpartacusJune 09, 2012

wow just wow, so lost in regard to what it takes to make a compelling film, I disagree completely show me YOUR work with all due respect !

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allinambercladJune 09, 2012

Oh dear. Isn't it terrifyingly simplistic to categorise people with criticism as, "haters" - where that is predicated only a pre-supposition that their criticism [i]must[/i] have been based on their desire to see another "Alien" - or somesuch other fantasy?... You speak of, "expectation" - perhaps the answer to the difference in appreciation is not that their expectation was in any way specific, or any less appropriate - just, in general, different: or perhaps, even, greater - than yours? If you enjoyed it, wholesomely, that is good for you - but that is [i]your[/i] satisfaction. To then make a summary judgement of those who did [i]not[/i] wholesomely enjoy it, where that is based only on the fact that you [i]did,[/i] plus some kinds of prejudices about others that you hold, this suggests that it is [i]your[/i] judgement that is in question - as you cannot have come to these judgements if you have successfully made an allowance for the fact that no film can be perfect, nor that it cannot be all things to all people, nor that what may satisfy you, may not satisfy others nor must that be so - nor the possibility, however slim, that if it doesn't satisfy others, it may not be them that is unappreciative of something - but you. As no film can be perfect, the real measure of any criticism of it is whether, per instance and per case, the criticism is actually justifiable and, if justifiable, significantly worthy - and you cannot [i]possibly[/i] determine that, without testing it, on a case-by-case basis. Seeking to dismiss and suppress criticism without first testing it and seeking to subjugate any who render that criticism does not actually reflect strong position? Exactly the opposite - and it is also the very worst basis on which to try and assume a moral high ground: because it's self-defeating.

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SpartacusJune 09, 2012

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Belial81June 09, 2012

Why does everybody think this is the same planet as Alien? It isn't. The planet in Prometheus is LV223. Everything about the planet is different from the one in Alien, surprised anyone can make that mistake. Anyway, thought the movie was great. There were some hiccups, but overall minor ones, and didn't at all take down what is a great first installation in a new chapter of the Alien mythos. The music was great, and if it took elements from other scores, really who the hell cares as long as it sounds great and fits the mood of the movie (which it did very well). In fact, if you listen to the soundtracks from Alien 1-3, you will hear echoes of all three scores, so that's a win in my book. As for the supposed plot holes, just wait. They've already said that there is more to come. It never ceases to amaze me just how impatient some people can be. If Alien screened now, it would be a whopping failure because of its pacing. However, as it is, it is a classic. Time well tell if the same will hold for Prometheus, but either way, it's a welcome addition to the family in my book. Honestly, the fact that people who apparently hated it are seeing fit to voice their concerns on a forum for the movie seems to prove that the movie was compelling enough to be discussed, otherwise they would just chalk it up to another summer movie failure and move on. This movie is a standout addition to the sci-fi genre and delivers something of substance that hasn't been seen in quite a long time. I haven't had this much fun speculating and theorizing in far too long, and for that I have to thank the team that made the movie for a job well done, flaws and all.

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allinambercladJune 09, 2012

@Spartacus I couldn't have asked for a more perfect illustration.

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TalynJune 09, 2012

I can't see why some people can't see this movie is crap, (and I was SO hoping that it lived up to a movie like Alien). Saying Alien would not make it today, is like saying Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho would pale to say...Michael Myers. Alien was CLASSIC, because it took the time to BUILD and yes 20th Century Fox even thought it was slow moving. Prometheus COULD have been a classic on its own, but just failed to deliver. As for music? To have a theme run through 1 -2-or 3 films is wise, but when I listened (and yes I am a musician), the FIRST thought was the score to Superman, and THAT'S JUST DAMN CHEAP AND LAZY. The music should also frighten us, make us jump, or just plain FEEL. Like the movie it feel short.

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SzabiJune 09, 2012

Belial81, I actually have seen this special substance of yours quite recently, but fortunately I was able to flush it down the toilet. The story of this movie is an insult to hard science-fiction as being illogical and contradictory. I understand the concept of cutting out certain key information, because this will create tension and will increase the hype around the title, but I seriously doubt, any sequel would be able to fill up the potholes left in this movie.

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unisolxxxJune 09, 2012

Lol @Talyn, the mere suggestion that AvP is better than any movie let alone Prometheus is comical, I have to agree with marcobot casting, story, score and the fact the movie was just an excellent Sci-Fi horror, I really enjoyed it the surprise addition of a Xenomorph like creature I would have thought would have appeased the fanboys (I myself know the scripts of Alien/s more or less backwards) and I was pleased to see some nods to the previous Alien movies. As for basing it on "THE SAME DAMN PLANET" Scott didnt, prometheus was based on LV 223 not LV426 (Though I would like an explanation as to how the engineers ship crashed on LV426 in a very similar fashion to the one on LV223). In short if you thought AvP was better than any movie at all your a fool and should really keep your opinions to yourself, I mean AvP?? Please tell me you were trying to be funny.

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WhyDontTheyFreezeHimJune 09, 2012

Not this again :( Why do the people who loved the movie feel the need to question the people who didnt, and make up assumptions on why those guys must not have liked it? I went in with an open mind but came out disappointed. It happens. If you liked it first time then thats great! No need to worry about those who didnt. Haters gonna hate and lovers gonna love...who cares? And also, haters gonna love!(as in my case)

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RoardoggJune 09, 2012

They didn't base it on the same planet. (LV223/LV426) The score was awful. It took every opportunity to deflate any and all tension to that point There were 17 crew members??........ok Loved the invasive surgery scene If the could remote map the entire cavern system and detect bio signs, how did those two guys get lost? David certainly stole the show Charlize Theron once again shows us all how static she truly is Those pilots were extremely calm considering they were about explode(zero sweat) Loved that they managed to throw in a pterodactyl at the end

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FREEZE!June 09, 2012

@ArchEtech quote: [i]If you think Prometheus was a great movie, you must be a fan of Twilight. That pretty much sums it up.[/i] Your theory is bad, loved Prometheus and hate Twilight. I find your comment to be offensive. Do you have any more factless theories that I can debunk? Please refrain from further assumptions not based on any fact.

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SpartacusJune 09, 2012

i've never watched even one second of any Twighlight and look down on the entire project as a teen angst childish silly fairy tale money grab.

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unitymindJune 10, 2012

Let's not forget that Kane was a complete tool himself. Entered chamber, falls, decides to touch the egg, egg makes a shock noise, I say black goo starts to pour up it, it opens, he looks down in the egg and gets a hug. I know the team was really a odd mix of people but the original crew was no better except they started to communicate with each other for a little while anyway. I am also on the side that they didn't make the Aliens, they found them at some point. They mention in the film that they made weapons of mass but really aren't the Humans worse then Aliens when it comes to destruction, consuming and resilience?

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synaptic flowJune 10, 2012

@ArchEtech "It's not unheard of for fans to take art more to heart than the creator of it." This winning line made me instantly think of George Lucas and all the idiot crap he has done to his franchise that has angered and alienated countless fans.

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PredatordreadsJune 10, 2012

I tell you what this movie really lived up to expectations. I will say that after leaving the theater I felt like it went by so quick and thats it. But I love how this movie still has me thinking and asking questions. Visually this movie was spot on and like others on this discussion I am so happy that the space jockeys have their own series and that Ridley put the launch pad together for it! for the ones that don't like it, well thats fine because I hated Avatar and got a lot of heat for saying that it is the live action Ferngully meets Dances with Wolves, so not everyone will see eye to eye which is ok! Were all individuals here.

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