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The Engineers never had a plan to kill the humans.

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Rayved

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When the engineer woke up near the end of the movie, he didn't understand the language of the humans and he seemed rather intrigued by them. I think that if they had a different approach he would have been nice to the humans. An important clue about this is when the old man's daughter tells him that every living creature must die and that it's the natural course of things. That quote wasn't there for nothing The engineer, being so much smarter, knows that immortality would only destroy everything. All living creatures must return to the soil one day to contribute for other life forms and let the natural cycle continue. As soon as the robot talked to the engineer in his language, the engineer realized how corrupted these humans were (he associated them all together) because of the intentions of the old man, so he immediately judged them dangerous for all life. These engineers were rather the bringer of life than the bringer of death. The planet you see in the first scene of the movie is Earth not inhabited by any animal life form. The engineer drank a different kind of goo that destroyed him and created various life forms into the water. Many years later when those life forms evolved and created a complete ecosystem the Ancients returned to Earth to colonize and the humans are their direct descendants. I think they acted this way to escape a war. In the holograms inside the engineer's spaceship, you see them running away and they're scared. Their home planet was probably invaded by the predators or something else and they've been colonizing other planets in hope that their species doesn't die. When they examine the head, they see that it's been dead for about 2000 years. 2000 years before would be the birth of Jesus. That ship we see in the movie didn't make it but maybe another one did. They clearly had something to do on Earth and I doubt that this was the only ship headed there. Now putting everything religious aside, Jesus was a very knowledgeable person who'd tell people not to drink water in a river that has dead animals inside and other stuff that today is obvious for us but that wasn't back then. That 2000 years number isn't there for nothing in the movie so that's why I think that the Ancients actually had a peaceful mission on Earth. Having a refuge and bringing wisdom to its own people who lost all knowledge of their origins over time. The sculptures the humans found are testimonies of where they actually come from rather than where they should go. The plan to destroy humans was only a bad interpretation of what happened by the main character. What do you guys think?
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Jv8r
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Or is it- dead in chair: Space Jockey. Dead anywhere else: Engineer.
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I think that its possible that these engineers created us to test there weapon (Alien) To truley see if it will wipe a whole planet.
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I think you need to get on board with the rest of the group and stop calling them Ancients and start calling them engineers like the rest of us
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Rayved
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But nothing suggests that they really are the engineers. If they have human DNA, searching for the engineers of the humans means searching for the engineers of the engineers.
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This is what they were referred to in the script. As creators of all this stuff, we have to yield to Scott, Fox, et al.
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On that note... If it's alive: Engineer. Dead: Space Jockey. Anyone have any insight on this?
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Nada on the Jesus front. 2089 - 2000 = year 89. Almost 100 years after his birth. More likely: The creator's weapon gets out and turns against them. the pile of bodies found by the geologist/biologist pair all had outwardly-exploded chests. Not a problem of the predators, there. I think, judging by the title, that the alien at the beginning was Prometheus, and that the creators used this technology to colonize worlds. (Prometheus gave his life just to bring us fire.) Later... they figured they couldn't control this technology, and they decided they needed to destroy it wherever they found it. Only... it overtook them before they could finish it.
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The symbolic thing for me is that the SJ looks at Shaw, as she is shouting (who knows if it understood?) then sees the violence of the guy hitting her (what a way to act when we are meeting a new species) then David talks to the SJ, and its as if, to me, he finds it offensive that we came all that way and didn't bother to attempt the language ourselves. Its symbolic that he rips off Davids head and hits Weyland with it. It seems to me that he is offended by the artificial life-form. He dispenses pretty quickly with the others but makes no attempt to go after Shaw. For me that final scene is like the whole film - each of the characters shows a different side to the Human condition. Arrogance, Stupidity, etc.
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when david speaks their language how do we know hes talking about weyland and immortality, he could be saying anything. Its obvious that david doesnt like humanity from the conversation with shaws BF and he might be provoking the SJ to destroy humanity.
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re: Capital It could be simply that the engineer needs half a minute to get its bearings after being asleep for so long. I don't think he's offended by David. There is nothing to evidence that. There is nothing to evidence the engineer knew David was an artificial, so I think he must have been reacting in anger/fear. There may have been some shock for him to woken up by the same species they originally were ready to destroy before the mishap at their "military base".
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re: blonggal Farfetched -
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Well about the 2000 years thing. The number they have is not accurate is it? I thought it was "around 2000 years old". The engineers seem strong enough to fight the aliens bare hand. I don't think they would have simply fallen like that. I think the engineer didn't bother to run after Shaw because it was useless. He's super intelligent so it's only natural that an emotion would not cause him to lose sight of his goal which was to go to Earth. A possible reason for becoming hostile might also be because of the humans' welcome. First contact with the race and they don't even bother to say hello nice to meet you, let's start on good terms, we come in peace. Imagine some aliens come to you and they fight each other and one asks how to become immortal. "We beat each other up and I want immortal life"
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About what Blongal said, it's very probable that it could be true. After all, we've seen him say a quote from a movie "he liked". So he has the concept of liking-disliking inside of him.
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I also want to point out that I find many similarities about this movie with modern theories that aliens came to Earth thousands of years ago. Archaeologists supposedly found a giant human skeleton in Peru. Also a part of the bible in Genesis talks about giants: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+6&version=KJV "There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown." That's why I think 2000 years is an important number relating to an important part of the bible. Some modern alien theories say that Jesus might have been an alien or simply affiliated with them with his superior knowledge. So looking at these similarities between the stories, we might have some sort of a timeline of events that took place in the story.
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Yeah, what David said is pretty open to me, and he's extremely devious when fulfilling his own agenda previously. Also, it's Shaw that called them Engineers, call them Crapa Pelada if you like...
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Rayved, the engineers can't have human DNA for 2 reasons. First, human body can't grow that big, our skeleton and circulatory system couldn't support it - the engineers must have slightly different genetic make-up in order to achieve such a huge body. Second, the movie makes it quite clear, the engineers are our creators, and they show it to us as one engineer drinks the black goo, and in result his body is decomposing and "fertilising" Earth. The date of this event is unclear, but had to happen quite a long time ago, as we have a line of predecessors going back millions of years. Actually, the only logical option is, the engineer brought life to Earth in the first place, otherwise the already present lifeforms would consume his decayed body. Now, if we talking about millions (or billions) of years of evolution, we can't develop the same DNA which was decomposed such a long time ago, as evolution is controlled by random events - not to mention, in this timeframe the engineer's own evolution was going on too.
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Szabo. didn't Shaw expressly say they shared the same DNA?
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I posted a similiar reply in the spoilers sections in a discussion about Shaws crucifex. I think we have to accept that the engineers were planning a strike on earth. We have to go with what is in the movie. We also need to accept that while the engineers may have crreated life on earth (and resumably other worlds) they also were prepared to destroy it. The engineer installation which they directed us to appears to be a bio weapons ship garage. Any life form that can follow the map/invitation finds itself in a very nasty place. We must accept that the engineers have a mean streak and maybe will destroy any life form that is advanced enough to find it. So then, why did the engineers decide to do a preemptive strike on earth? More theorizing on that in the other post.
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Szabi, if we look at the evolution of most species on Earth, evidence suggests that a lot of animals were a lot bigger years ago than they are now. Dinosaurs evolved into smaller lizards and so could have humans. They found the skeleton of a giant wombat which might date from 50 000 years ago. What we see in the movie in the beginning is an engineer's DNA being completely rewritten. It is very unlikely that evolution could have made it back close to the original because DNA is some sort of a history of the species. That's why some branches seem to be completely useless. While some part of the DNA serves to tell the body of the human what it should become, and another part serves for transmitting instincts and natural behavior, some parts are just information about the past that can't be accessed yet. Any kind of gene modification destroys that information the same way data is lost forever on a hard drive if you write over it. We clearly see the DNA being completely destroyed in the beginning and the reconstructed from almost nothing. In other words everything about the original species is lost. So either humans looking like engineers is the most ridiculous coincidence ever or the humans are direct descendants which have evolved into a smaller size like all species on earth tend to do. Many factors could explain the difference in size with the engineers. The most important one is the different planets. The gravity influences the way creatures walk and live. If the outer body is very big and strong, it is likely that the internal organs will be big and heavy, but if the gravity is too strong, everything holding the organs needs to be stronger. On the other hand, creatures with smaller organs will have less physical troubles. So in the end, the smaller and weaker might have a better chance to survive and multiply, which would lead the population to shorten over time on a different planet.
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xbar16, their black goo is both the essence of life and destruction. all we know from the movie is that they were planning to go to Earth. Why would the whole mission be compromised if only one spaceship didn't make it? If the theory that an accident happened in their own ship which caused the panic is true, that doesn't explain why the mission wasn't carried out by the others. We have to keep in mind that David is a backstabber. He purposely put some black goo in the drink. I think he had some kind of a pleasure in seeing his creators suffer after all the degrading things they told him. In the end David tells Shaw about another spaceship that could get her back to Earth. That spaceship was probably filled with black goo too. So I think what he wanted was to destroy the human race. He's the only one who understands the engineer's language so all information that comes from him might be false. The planned strike on Earth was only an interpretation of Shaw about why they had a course set on Earth. In the end, the only fact that we know from this movie is that the engineers might not be engineers and they had an involvement with Earth, either peaceful or not.

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