Was the Deacon shown to us right from the beginning of the movie, on the Mural?

I intend to call The Deacon "Spike" and Cuddles will always be Cuddles to me. I wasn't impressed with the design either, though I understand why they did it.

Hi everyone im new here. I am also trying to learn more and more about the series. What is DEACON ? Is this code name for xeno?

Greetings all! I've been reading around here to get a feeling for folks' reactions to Prometheus, and registered to comment on this thread. So, knowing a good little bit about the Sumerian Legends and how some believe they are the precursor to modern Abrahmic religeons got me thinking. Could there be any hidden clues anywhere if one looked at things with a Christian slant. I thought of the planet, LV-223 and immediately saw "Leviticus-223" Since there is no Leviticus Chapter 2 Verse 23, I looked up Leviticus Chapter 22 verse 3. It says: "3 Say unto them, Whosoever he be of all your seed among your generations, that goeth unto the holy things, which the children of Israel hallow unto the Lord, having his uncleanness upon him, that soul shall be cut off from my presence: I am the Lord." So what do we have here? I interpret that to say that any man, no matter how evolved, that travels to the holy place reserved for the Gods and leaves any trace upon it is in real trouble. Just food for thought. I'm loving these discussions! Edit to add: I figured, what the heck... let's check out LV-426 :-) Leviticus Chapter Verse 26 states: "26 And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an aatonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him." Could this indicate that the SJ in Alien left with the eggs with the purpose of destroying them? An atonement for the "sins" of the engineers?

More concept art of the Deacon!!! and great IMO... [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Prometheus_Deacon_005.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Prometheus_Deacon_006.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/ivanmanzella-4fd7812c10fd84a.jpg[/img] and the source... [url=http://www.weylandchronicles.com/]Your text to link here...[/url]

Love painting #2...very elegant and yet still scary!! That's the best design I've seen...should have kept it for the film....

Is DEACON the new xeno that came out of the Engineer?

@Hitman1303 Yes. The Art Department and Ridley called it that because of the way this kind of deacon's head looks in vestments: [img]http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/files/2010/02/ovenmitt1.jpg[/img]

I'm with ArchEtech on this one. I kind of get the squid but how does squid plus Engineer equal xeno?! He looked nothing like his Mum and Dad :-)

I believe that the Xenomorphs already existed a long time before and they were found and experiment on by the Engineers. That crystal in front of the Xeno mural may just have some kind of fossilized pre-historic Xeno inside. The Engineers found them to be creatures with remarkable and unique carachteristics and started engeneering on them. Through their experiences and combinations they were able to come up with a couple of extraordinary substances, both in form of a black goo. One of the goo, more concentrated on the creatures acid blood, would cause the desintegration of an individual if he ingested it. the other, more consistent on the creatures agression and adaptability to anything, would interact with any life form that got in contact with it, causing this life form to act as an host for it to grow and adapt/evolve/change into something diffrent, more agressive and with unique carachteristics. The first goo, after more research started to be used by Engineers to dissolve themselves molecularly, in order to create life from thei own DNA. The second goo, was used to create species/weapons of mass destruction. With its unique composition, the Xeno became sort of Idolized and worshipede by some, because it would allow the creation of live and hated by others because of leading to the creation of very dangerous Bio-Weapons. I think what happened later was that something went wrong and it was decided to stop the experiments with the species and exterminate what was left of them, as it was too dangerous and many lives had been lost in the process. But a group of Engineeres didn't accept that too well, they were sort of "Satanic", they worshiped the Xeno as a "devil" for its capability of both life and mainly death! So, this group, retired to a close by moon, established a base, and continued experimenting, trying to recreate the original Xeno, inspired by murals they made of it. After many attempts they managed to replicate it, and started gathering large amount of liquified Xeno goo, stocked in urns. Their goal would be to unleash the Xenos in Earth to exterminate humans, as a revenge on their Elders who created life on Earth from the creature and then ordered its execution. For a Satanic group this would be like unleashing the Devil. Meanwhile, they were too confident on their experiments and somehow one of the creatures broke free and started to kill them all, they didn't even defend themselves, some just ran in fear as they wouldn't confront their "God/Idol". The two Engineers that went in the safe room, probably ingested the goo and dissolved, that's why no remains ere found. the others with head explosions must have had some direct contact with the changing Dna goo.

I want to point out that the Engineers never knew that a human would produce a squdish thing which in turn created the deacon. So I believe that the deacon was a freak accident and the mural, has everyone forgotten about all the engineers that ran into that room where did they go. I propose that the mural is a door or perhaps like the walls in the room dissolved and when everything else went back to normal it reformed and behind this 'door' of sorts were escape pods.

I thought it looked beautiful, actually I'm surprised that it wasn't designed by Giger, because... I don't know, its hands, its head, its body, everything was perfect, scary in some way, abominable, aberrant, crude, and beautiful. The first thought I had when I saw it, was that it was the First Queen. Then I realized that Scott doesn't actually like the concept of a queen in the alien species, and I also realized that it's impossible that it was the first Xenomorph; clearly there were others; all the dead engineers in the ground had their chest broken. And the mural... It would have been perfect if it was the first Xenomorph, because of the way it was generated, it would have been almost like an accident: the ooze infecting Holloway, he was supposed to die, but had sex with Shaw, and he passed to her something, not the infection, he gave her a son, that "trilobite" what could have been the first facehugger, and it, used the Engineer as a host, and then, the Xenomorph emerges. It would have been like an accident, the Xenomorph being something aberrant produced by the black liquid in an attempt to survive, to be something, something that wasn't supposed to be. The concept that the Xenomorph is that thing, so aberrant, just gives me a boner. I actually don't like the idea of the Xenomorph being created so deliberately.

When the holograms run into the room you see them making checks upon the platform while one is seated making checks of his own. David says when they check the sarcophagi that one is still alive or it is inferred that one is still living as we hear a slow heart rate, the beat comes and goes but whether these beings have a naturaly slow heart rate or their heart rates become that slower speed as a result of long inter spacial cryo sleep remains to be seen and confirmed. So maybe they just all got into their respected sarchophagos and those that were infected effectively rotted and died and the one survived to be found by the Prometheus crew.

The xeno on the wall is in cruciform. Was it 'crucified' by earlier Engineers (who knew better than to try to enslave and control the xeno?) These Engineers are Believers, and that 'Tomb' is a resting place of the xeno's body/DNA. The 'cruciform' image signifies that the Project undertaken here was to 'resurrect' the xeno. So the place is a tomb and a regenerative place at the same time. Resurrecting the xeno became a 'religion' of sorts, but It was a False messiah. Is this a secret base, far from their homeworld? No one ever came looking for them after the Accident, and there weren't that many men working there to begin with. These Engineers are the 'Weyland' characters in the story, they're more 'Weyland' than Weyland. They represent the ones of their kind who think the xeno is 'perfect', 'superior', would be great as a weapon, etc. Were the humans targeted the way they were because they could be 'experimented' on, since they've got Engineer DNA? The Engineers so admired the xeno that they wanted to 'mate' its DNA with their own, and humans made that a real possibility for them. Of course, the xeno cannot be enslaved...

Personally I like 1 of 2 scenarios: (feel free to poke holes in either). I like the one voiced earlier where the opening scene is of the engineer absorbing the black goo which breaks his DNA down into the water stream which is the genesis to what is eventually human life (100's of thousands years prior). Sometime AFTER life was initiated (via the black goo) on earth, the engineers found out that the black goo had potentially nasty repercussions and sent a ship to destroy the life on earth... what we saw was the result of the ship never making it and ultimately spawning the creatures we love to hate. Kind of like a self-fulfilling prophecy where the decision to end life on earth to prevent disaster ultimately leads to the chain of events that creates disaster. Additionally i like the theory of the worker ants, that the engineers create planets and "workers" that ultimately will create hives of resources. Once a planet (in this case earth) has created the desired level of resources, the ship of chemical warfare is sent to deliver death to the inhabitants. At which case the engineers can simply cultivate the resources the humans have created.

"Deacon" Main article: Prometheus (film) Ridley Scott's 2012 film Prometheus, originally conceived as a direct prequel to Alien,[46] ends with the birth of a creature noted[47] for its similarity to those in the Alien franchise. Scott christened the creature the Deacon in reference to its pointed head, which resembles a bishop's mitre.[48] Designer Neal Scanlan said that the Deacon's appearance had to reflect its complex genetic heritage: "It came from Shaw and Holloway, which then produced the Trilobite, which impregnated the Engineer, which then mixed its DNA with the Trilobite. We tried to hold on to some of Shaw, some femininity since it was born of a female before being born of a male." According to Scanlan, the Deacon "represented the beginning of Giger's Alien, although it did not directly resemble that creature."[49] The designers based the Deacon's skin on horse placenta, in an effort to give it an iridescent quality "between horrific and beautiful".[50] Its pharyngeal jaw was inspired by that of the goblin shark.[51] When discussing the film's connection to Alien, co-writer Damon Lindelof asked: "Do you need to see a xenomorph bursting out of the human body? And how do we do it in a way that you haven't seen before?"[52] Lindelof stated that whether the creature is a queen Alien, or the progenitor of the eggs found by the crew in the original Alien, is open to interpretation, but said, "I felt that the punchline of Prometheus was going to be that there is human DNA in what we have come to know as the human xenomorph."[53] You guys are welcome. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)

Ridley Scott is on record as saying that the Space Jockey from Alien was benign. Therefore he was not on a mission of destruction. He was probably transporting the eggs somewhere for destruction. It was David who came to the vague conclusion that in order to create you first have to destroy. This lead to the idea that the Xenos are 'weapons'. David got it wrong because he is not human, he thought that all offspring want to kill their parents. He states this to Shaw, she has to correct him. David didn't see anything wrong with his conclusion because he has no soul.

@Gahlaktus Sorry but I have to disagree with most of what you've been saying. I think my issue is that you seem to believe that if a few people all have the same theory then it's somehow more valid or even factual. I think all of your posts should start with a disclaimer that everything in your post is theory, because you infer that a lot of what you're saying is proven in the movie. On the Engineer's intentions: We aren't given proof that the Engineers are malevolent. The only thing that the last Engineer kills is David and only because David speaks to him (we aren't 100% sure what he says to the Engineer). I personally believe the Engineer knew that he was an android, he didn't seem surprised after he removed David's head that David had milky goo instead of blood and could still speak. He did hit the old man, but didn't seem to care if he died or not. If the Engineers were evil all along, why would they vist us every few thousand years? They probably wanted to kill us 2,000 years ago, but they created us and helped us along. [i]They were the servitors of beings that resembled the being in the wall mural. I think they may be at war, or were once at war. Hence the "military" facility at LV 223.[/i] We don't know that they were servitors, that information was not given to us. And none of the characters in the story had enough knowledge of the Engineers to give us that knowledge, it was only character speculation. We do not see any weapons on ship besides the black goo/urns to lead us to believe that they were at war or had need for military bases. Not to say that it might not be, but we should automatically jump to that conclusion. [i]A quantum physicist once said that another quantum physicists theory had to wrong because it wasn't crazy enough. That's a true story. By that reasoning this post has to be so crazy that it's somewhere in the neighborhood of truth.[/i] What? [i]She knew their vulnerability. In fact, she put it together quite quickly - she channeled Lisbeth Salander, yelled "Diiiie", hit the button and released the trilobite. The engineer died. She knows how to kill them. What she hasn't figured out is "why they want to kill us."[/i] Their Vulnerability? Everyone on the ship knew they shared the same DNA as us, their vulnerabilities were the same as ours. She knows no more how to kill and engineer than she knows how to kill a turtle or squirl. It's very easy for us to assume that she was desperate and assumed he'd kill her if she didn't do something. She probably hoped it would attack the engineer. Lucky for her the squid monster just wanted a host, the first host it could it could get it's tentacles on. [i]Humans could breed them for the sole purpose of combating the engineers. It's a three step process, C-section the fetus, trilobite and "Deacon" the engineers.[/i] Ok, so I actually like some of the theories that the human womb is a dangerous thing for the Engineers. But we cannot state this as fact. The engineer lets Shaw escape, he's got bigger fish to fry (earth). He goes after her after his ship crashes instead of getting another ship, but I don't think we can assume that his change of heart is because her womb is an atomic weapon to him. I would think it's even more of a concern for him that she's running around all fertile with black goo just seeping all over the place. And as far as a weaponization? I believe this is really out there. The squid monster would have killed shaw when it escaped. She was only able to survive because of the technology 2,000 years after the Engineers wanted to kill us. You're really getting me off topic. None of this statement makes any sense. Humanity wouldn't have any clue how to reach the Engineers. We wouldn't have even known they existed if they hadn't visited us over and over. Why would we want to kill them? Creating those things, they would have just killed us. That is EXACTLY what the Engineer was doing anyway. Dropping those things off so they'd kill us. Massing an army of Deacons would have been stupid and suicidal. We wouldn't even get our hands on the stuff if they didn't come over and drop it off on earth. On the Engineer's Gills: Why would the Engineers have Gills? they share a DNA match with us. Now why aren't we big Dr. Manhattan looking humanoids? That I cannot explain. I'm guessing that Ridley scott wanted to tie everything together and make them our creaters so he had to improvise. If it was built into the suit, why wouldn't it just be near the mouth, where they breathe, in that big elephant trunk-looking part of the mask? I am very sorry if I have offended you, but I cam on this post to try to see what others thought about the obvious plot holes that Ridley Scott left for us to theorize about. I could not help myself but to voice my opinion of your posts. I believe you've gotten off base and may be confusing others with information that you've presented as fact. Fortunately or Unfortunately Ridley Scott made his movie ambiguous enough that we can't be sure about a lot of this. In Ridley Scott's own interviews about the "jesus-engineer", if the planet in the beginning is earth or any of the other many questions, Scott remains ambiguous so that we have our imaginations run wild. In the end it's a fiction movie, so none of it really means anything (unless ridley scott knows something we don't...)

[IMG]http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t36/nepenthes369/QueensCrown.png[/IMG] For those who can't see the Queen in the mural.

It means that Deacon from movie is not the first Alien protoplast. They existed before and the proof is on the mural:)

Can someone explain to me why the Deacon had to be created in such a complicated process? Is the room they enter supposed to carry the Deacon DNA? and the Mural on the wall represents the creature that is created when using the black goo correctly? Maybe that's why when it interacts with a living organism they begin to mutate into wild predators, wow I think I just answered my own question...

The Deacon that we saw in the movie arrived courtesy of a round-about route involving intermediate organisms (Holloway, Shaw, Trilobite, Engineer). However, the start point was the black liquid and the end point (immediately after the Engineer) was the Deacon. The decoration in the Big Head Room shows a Deacon. If we work on the premise that the Engineers created the artwork, they were showing what happens if one of their own gets impregnated (whatever you want to call it). In the mural, they show what looks like a Deacon co-existing with an overseeing Engineer, and the Engineer appears to have large healed scars on his body. Do they birth these things on purpose? Check out the bottom of the Deacon artwork. Remind you of this? [img]http://i47.tinypic.com/qzf6hj.png[/img]

@Ingwar unless the mural is a 'vision' of the future made by an elder etc.? It could be a painting of the comming of the deacon and its future of making face huggers etc. after all there is swirly gas all around it like a dream...

well, after lurking around and reading some of the theories on this site, I felt compelled to register and throw out a few of my own theories and opinions. My view of the deacon is he's a subordinate, a "worker". The aliens have a hierarchy similar to ants or bees. Perhaps their world is more complex than we know, because all we know is what we saw in the first and second movie. The Engineer at the beginning of the movie was creating life, but not on earth. If you were a super advanced race of people, why would you create life at its basic element and wait 20,000,000 years or so to see your results, with little evolutionary change to your own race? My speculation is there are 2 groups of engineers, good vs. evil kinda thing going on. One set on creating life, one set on destroying life, I feel the whole thing is very biblical in a way, but yet tied into ancient history and stories, such as Easter island, giants walking amongst men and taking human brides, angels, etc... my 2 cents

[quote][i]This leads me to the possible of multiple guiding forces. Competing forces that create life in different ways to use it in a universal game of chess. Humans could play the part of some newer pieces.[/i][/quote] Interesting. This sounds just like "the first ones" storyline from Babylon 5.....the Shadow/Vorlon war.

[quote[i]]My question is: how did that Deacon fit inside the Engineer host? I mean that thing is almost -- if not as big -- as the host!! What did it do? Come up through the floor?! LOL!!![/i] [/quote]Deacon grew within its host, eating the host innards like good noms. I don't see why this is so far fetched. Look at a chicks relative size to its egg when it hatches. The host's torso was essentially just a shell when Deacon decided it was time to find a restroom.

i have seen it twice and the second time my dad noticed that the painting or what it is changed when the team enterd the room with all the urns and maby the alien painting did as well and heres the important part the room maby was a creation room and the paintings displayed the outcome of the DNA that enterd the room so if a human or enginer were to be mixed with the bio substance it would change to something

was a creation room and the paintings displayed the outcome of the DNA that enterd the room .. THis is an intersting point ,, Sort of projects what your kid would look like based on the parents.. The Engineers' race must be far advanced beyond human evolvement...what chance do the human and android have in the sequel?

THE DECON DESIGN IS GREAT CANT WAIT FOR THE BLU-RAY TO COME OUT

Ok, so here is my take to throw into the ring! The black Goo is the giver (and taker) of life. If Holloway wasn't burned alive by Vickers, he would have broken down and his DNA would have reorganized just like the opening Engineer. With that said, having only a small dose, it's effect was prolonged and the goo was passed into Shaw creating an abomination. The Order has been tampered with: and tampered with again as the creature impregnates the Engineer. The Abomination has overthrown the Master. Out of that, a vile creature is made: The Deacon. I think that the Deacon is very close to the Black Goo's true goal: The Alien. It just isn't quite there yet. The Black Goo, in it's manifested in-the-flesh form is the Xenomorph: The perfect organism. And when you think about it: The Xenomorph is the giver and taker of life. My reasoning is this: The Black Goo is the recipe for the Alien because in small doses (unlike the Engineer in the beginning) It doesn't break down the host, it changes it. And no matter what it is attached to, it is bringing characteristics of the Alien with it. Acid Blood, Facehugger proproties, which lead to the Deacon being born with Engineer traits. The Goo IS the alien: Just not yet in it's physical final form. In my opinion, I think that the Engineers know about the Deacon, and know that when they are impregnated by a goo-altered creature, the Deacon will be born. I think that's what they were running from when things went wrong. The goo is there, and I've seen stills of familiar shedded skin (Alien). http://www.horror-asylum.com/news/pics/thumbs/-prometheus-deleted-scene-still.jpg In essence, The Deacon is a step in a line of abominations that ultimately become the Alien. As for the Queen? I'm sticking with Ridley's mythos to see where he takes us. The Queen was all Cameron's Idea!

But here is the thing with that theory... If the substance is the same, then how come the Sacrificial Engineers seed/broken down DNA never evolved life on Earth to have Xeno traits and only for us to have Engineer DNA? Thats why i stick to my theory, because i think you could have placed the Sacrificial Engineer in a Bath and then where the plug hole is have it connected to a tube that then leads to a large container. Then the Sacrificial Engineer would break down and his stuff would break into a substance that goes down the plug hole? If you could do that then would it not be possible to then use that collected broken down Engineer DNA into say a Lake and then see similar process to what we saw at the Water Fall? Therefore if thats possible then i think thats how the Black Goo Came about only not from Engineer but broken down from a Xeno.. Off course they may have to add another substance to preserve the broken down material but i think thats also what the Urns contain.