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Lee Wilson

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I had planned on typing thousands of words on how I could have written a better story in my sleep, and what my plot would have been, but why bother. I/WE as a forum and group of people have put in so much more energy and thought than damon lindelof ever did. I cannot believe they let him near this story, I feel like I watched a two hour episode of that horrible show lost. Did no one learn from that show? Isnt it bad when a writer makes the shit up as he goes! Who the hell wanted him on this script? Nothing, nothing was explaing. His lazy writing wants you to fill in the blanks. You know what that is? Wrong. lazy. 8th grade writing. I cannot stress how disappointed I was in general with the movie. As a stand alone movie it was ok, 6/10. As anything in the aliens universe, it was so bad. I left the theatre literally pissed off. You should have seen the mood of the theatre when it ended, you could feel the anger and confusion in the air. No one clapped, cheered, or anything. I head a few breaths of air let our, and a bunch of 'wow that sucked'. Why did anyone let that talentless hack near our 'universe'?

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Jdax8
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Our universe has so EXPLAINING to do
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spacyfreak
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Good question - that is maybe the MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION that Ridley Scott should answer by himself, and take the consequences according to the sequels... Anyway - Scott and Lindelof wrote the script based on Spaiths script TOGETHER when i can believe on of lindelofs interviews, but that does not make it even better. With LITTLE changes here and there it would have been 100% better outcome. I miss some kind of "quality check" in storytelling.
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Symmetricon
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If your script writing would be anything like your post, I'd say away from it.
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spacyfreak
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Please, tell me YOUR alternative ending... here is mine.. [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7448]Your text to link here...[/url]
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It was an entertaining movie but it had some very big flaws. I feel it was deliberately held back to save something for the sequels. Worth seeing, it is a good Sci-fi movie, just don't expect a masterpiece.

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Don't expect a masterpiece or even a half-decent sci fi movie and you wont be disappointed. Basically if you make up your mind that you will like the film by judging it, not as a whole, but by certain scenes that worked while ignoring a majority of the move then you will like it. Otherwise, it will just seem like a great big mess of a film and will leave you confused as to how no one noticed how bad the dialogue and story was.
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Lee Wilson
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@ Symmetricon Wow. I am not trying to write a paper here man. These are just random thoughts from my head to a forum of my peers. Thanks for being the English teaching in the bunch.
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Lee Wilson
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I know, I did expect too much. I can't help that as an Alien fan I wanted to actually find out more. I absolutely hated Lost and cannot help but feel he brought to much Lost-ness for lack of a better term to the movie.
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Lost style mystery worked ok for a TV show with weekly installments and annual seasons. Lost was entertaining in its own way. But for films which are individually longer and years apart .. its a terrible idea.
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Lee Wilson
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exactly
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Lee Wilson
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We just waited so long, and I guess looking at it now there was no way we could all be 100% satisfied. It could have been a much better movie/story is all I am trying to say. And I know, that has been said 100 times before on this forum. I just wanted to say it one more time as you people are the only ones I have to talk about this movie with that will know anything about it. Here is to a Lindelof free Prometheus sequel made solely for us fans.
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Lee Wilson
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@ spacyfreak If I ever get in the mood I will gladly. I can tell you one thing for sure, there will be no 'engineer jesus' anywhere in sight.
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I have to agree with you Wilson. I don't usually go on to forums to discuss movies, much less to say how bad they were, but I was so let down by this movie. "It was wrong, so, so wrong." Some people on this board have tried to enumerate the flaws; I won't do that in detail. I'll just agree with you: I could have written a better screenplay in my sleep. Time for R.S. to hang up his spurs. So sad. I'm just stunned that people liked the movie. I almost walked out.
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Jdax8
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@ LEE please add a second N to the word planned on your first post thank you
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spaceyfreak, I think you are right, with a few changes here and there it would have been a lot better story. i personally don't think the film would need a complete overhaul to be better but just a few things expanded upon and a good re-edit and it would be better. it's hard to please everyone but I see how it could be improved. i liked the film, but I"m actually easy to please IMO. What I do wish is that the directors cut get a good re-edit and put some of the missing concept art in. I've read some stuff on the concept art and I think if they would put that in a better film could come to be.
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If it was perfect there wouldn't be anything to say about it. Perhaps a fragmented plot is what's needed nowadays to get people intellectually invested in a story. It doesn't mean it has to be pleasant, but it works.
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Lee Wilson
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@ jdax Fixed. Sorry I didn't proof read too much. It was pre-coffee.
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Lee Wilson
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@ Triedtolikeit I could not agree more.
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Nickel
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Agreed....same atmosphere in both cinemas on the 2 occasions i saw it....apparently Lindelof has been drafted in now too...to re-write...large parts of Brad Pitts 'World War Z'....theyre not Zombies BRAD...they're engineers...they started the virus...or did they? tune in next week for the next chapter of 'PROMETHYWARZLOST' part Deux....
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You know I kind of agree with ever one on this . It let me down the cgi and sets were out standing. The plot needs some work . Where were the creatures the bio meds etc , I didn't see any . They explained nothing in the movie and it is a set up for another movie or series of movies . We all know that Fox will only produce these movie if "Prometheus" makes enough movie they have to re-coup their investment , through dvd's , toys , us going to see the movie several times . I saw in 3D it was ok , I could have saved the extra dollars for 3d tickets . I'll see in 2d next week. I did like the movie but the next move they make better be "Off the Chain " this was not . The DVD most have the deleted scenes .
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@symmetricon....LOL
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To be honest with you guys, When I first watched PROMETHEUS in digital 3D, I can observed only less than 12 persons watching this movie, which makes me thing isn't this movie as the most anticipated sci-fi movie of the year? After watching it, all I can said the CGI was amazing cool, the plot kinda let me down , and most importantly i was expecting this movie was not related to ALIEN universe, but it turns out the ending scene and made me so WTH? Really? I think I need to watch PROMETHEUS again just to understand the plot and some important moments...... What said you guys???
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The DVD will have the deleted scenes no doubt but i'm concerned that they'll hold no weight and ultimately fail to rebuild the story to an acceptable level. Where do we go from there if this happens? I almost feel like novelising the pre-alien and/or tangent universe myself, see if it gets picked up in 5 years time and a decent 'prometheus reebot' emerges from it. "Sighs"
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Lee Wilson
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@ Nickell :)
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Lee Wilson
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Glad to see my feeling are shared.
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allinamberclad
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@mikydisco Interesting. Some of my first thoughts in the car back from watching this were something like, "Well, that car crash was so bad, there seems little to recover and few ways to do it. I expect there'll be a respectful pause for prayers over the corpse - and then: "Reboot", time...". Maybe I'm wrong.
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Lee Wilson
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There were just so many interesting ways they could have explored the story, they chose none of them. I will say I think the opening scene was the best part of the movie. Did you guys like that scene?
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@allinamberclad Totally get you. A great way to describe it. Yep, very close to a write off. I just wish it had been different. Whats bugging me is I saw the movie on May 31st and I can't stop rewriting it in my head. I received the art work book at the weekend, this has just compounded it! I'm still dumbfounded as to how this was allowed to happen! Fox need a re-org!
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mikydisco
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Yes, the opening scene was a triumph. Beautifully shot. There were so many brilliant shots but it wasn't enough to make this an epic sci fi movie.
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@Lee Wilson I loved the opening - except for the music. There was plenty that was good - and so much potential - but all of it somehow infected by whatever it was that poisoned this film to death. @mikydisco I've been having that same dream. It's almost a condition of shock that I'm in - I am little astonished. And yes, when you see that art work you really do then have to start to wonder what the Hell happened, here...
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Agreed. I gave this movie 3/5 stars on Rotten Tomatoes. A bit disappointing with confused and muddled writing. Very poor character development and plot holes all over the place. Special effects in the beginning of the movie were decent, but that's about it. I had to watch "The Tree of Life" to restore my spirits and rekindle my faith in good movie-making.
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To Lee Wilson: Dude.... sit back... take a breather.... then actually THINK about things for a minute. This movie wasn't created for the "Hack and Slash" crowd of Halloween 12. - I know... I know,... how dare I impose on my audience the concept of REASONING........ *****GASP****** /eyes blinded..... ****SCREAM*****. Come on man.... I can say, without a doubt, that I talked more with my friends and family about this movie after I walked out of the theatre - more than any movie in the past 2 years, hands down, no contest. Was it a little irritating to not have the "whole story laid out in a nice line from 1 to 10"? - Uh.. .no. Actually, it was quite refreshing. This movie crosses a lot of philosophical boundaries in it - I enjoyed that. Unlike your experience, when I walked out.... a complete stranger and I connected eyes with that, "So what did you think?" look on our faces. I said, "Dude... how awesome was that movie??!?!" He said, "Holy s***, I would pay $1,000 to walk into Prometheus 2 right now." I think that about sums up my opinion as well.
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There are a lot of mixed reviews for this movie. There are a few bad reviews for this movie. There are also a good number of [i]rave[/i] reviews.....and not just from no-name hacks, but respected critics....who absolutely [i]loved[/i] it. This movie isn't perfect. It also most definitely isn't a POS. Somewhere between those two extremes, is where the truth actually lies. If you think "Alien" was perfect, you'd be wrong. It slays me when folks on some of these threads complain about[i] exactly and precisely the same sort of flaws we saw in "Alien"[/i] in [i]this[/i] movie: cardboard cut-out characters, monsters which grow at an exponential rate, without consuming any biomass, characters doing stupid things, like sticking their face over an alien egg, breaking quarantine, etc. I'm beginning to wonder if some folks have ever even watched the original, because otherwise, the irony is staggering.
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I'm just reeling from the news that world war z is written by Lindelof..I worked on it as an extra on location in falmouth, cornwall! I'm a marine on the ship when brad comes in :) but..enough of my hollywood life..I'm more with pickleguy on this, cant remember a film that inspired so much discussion but I was also pretty shocked at it initially as it was so far from what I expected but my bet...in ten years it'll be viewed as a classic, just my view. still so amazed at the debate and I feel for anyone who feels their story has been corrupted I really do :(
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I enjoyed the film. A lot of the negative comments deal with “unmet expectations” and some gripe specifically about a lack of Alien Franchise compatibility. Whaaaat? ???? RS went out of his way to state this was NOT A PREQUEL TO ALIEN. Why even waste breath complaining about that aspect then? Understandably, we are going to compare Prometheus to the Alien Anthology, but crying over a lack of Xenos is a bit absurd. Likewise is making any statement like[i] “as a stand-alone film, it’s a 7, but as part of the franchise….”[/i] (many a sentence starts like this on this site.) There were some issues with the plot, sure. But I for one was glad that it was [u]not the SAME EXACT CONFLICT featured in all four Alien films:[/u]: Primary Conflict: [i]Man vs. Alien. [/i] Secondary Conflict: [i]Man vs. “Company Seeking Bio-Weaponry!”[/i] zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I had a huge sense of relief that there wasn’t a single hackneyed reference in Prometheus about [i]“Wayland Corp wants to bring back a specimen [for their bio weapons division!]” “Oh Noes! We have to stop them!”[/i] From start to finish, even after the [anti-climactic] twist of “weyland is still alive!”, the initiative of the mission was to seek out “our makers.” A lot of the drama in this film was “man vs self” That in itself makes Prometheus more of a metaphysical, psychological journey. David (arguably the most interesting character) exemplifies this theme. Who are we? Where did we come from? What makes us special? I understand this type of psychological drama doesn’t satisfy the hardcore Alien Franchise fans, but I enjoyed it. It was reminiscent of Tarkovksy’s Solaris and 2001 at times. [b] It was visually stunning, suspenseful, and psychologically deeper than most Sci-Fi.[/b] Plus it had some cute winks to the Alien Franchise. And David’s character could not have been drawn better. And I really loved that the Engineer at the end didn’t utter one word to the humans. I know again that some people were put off by this. You could even say: [b]“it’s a two hour film about a group of people looking for answers, and not finding any”[/b] If you can't see how that can still become a beautiful film, then this will always be a lost debate. Good film overall.

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