Shaw=Space jockey

The signal is not the same. on LV-426 the signal repeats every 12 seconds, and is partially decoded by "Mother". It's not an english log entry by Shaw, which was longer than 12 seconds. And the signal would not take 28 years to get to LV 426 which is only about 10 light years away from LV-223. The ship is NOT the same one that crashed and rolled on Vickers, unless someone fixed it up, and while doing so removed the 4 stasis pods around the chair (there are none in the 'derelict' ship.) And while Dallas may have been wrong that the Space Jockey was fossilised, if he's not then that ship has been there a long time (possibly related to the same event that caused the deaths on LV-223 before the Prometheus arrived.).

Alright, I wasn't sure about the circumstances around the distress signal. It may be, though, that they assumed it was fossilized as they didn't know it was an suit, as opposed to an actual body.

scott answered in an interview that what happened on the alien ship, happend around the same time when engineers died on lv 223 with a difference of about 200 years, so no, no ShawJocky :p

Well, we simply dont KNOW where this story would end up. I dont think AT ALL that any sequel of Prometheus will ever end on LV-426. I rather choose to believe, that the engineers thousands of years ago "tried" to use their "old style" weapons (alien EGGS) to ANY destination, but that failed as the pilot SJ was infected by facehugger and landed on LV-426, where he died and the ship stayed there for thousands of years. The cylinders in the temple in prometheus and in that cargo room could be following logic the "latest bio-weapon technology" they developed. But the engineers lost control and so they died there. I think an Alien hunted them, as David found the typical slime and all these dead engineers bodies speek that same language.. That unlucky engineer on LV-426 enabled the signal to WARN other engineers not to come there because of danger of infection. Nostromo found that signal by random, and as the company in Alien "knew" something (but maybe not very much) about this alien civilization (maybe by the information they did get from the prometheus project), they wanted to take advantage out of this finding (maybe take an alien to earth for research) to design new weapons or learn whatever from this alien creature. That was the story - and that story is done and ready. Period. ------------------------------------ But as scott said, Prometheus has TWO children, one leads to Alien, the OTHER (that has to be done) leads even AWAY from alien, so it will some complete different storyline, about the "alien civilization behind the engineers". Shaw and David will go to a brand new world. But that will not be somekind of "nature avatar paradise park with colored flowers and pets that have USB Interface", it will be a weird, strange, yet unknown world, hopefully with lots of new ideas based on "alien logic" (not human logic) and creatures and a provocing, dramatic storyline. THATS the story and universe i am waiting for in a sequel. Sounds really interesting. I am not interested ONE BIT why and how the derelict crashed/landed on LV-426. ----------------------------------------------------------- I believe that the engineers are just some kind of "clone warriors, ants" designed by a higher species for some purpose, as they are strong and unique they are not "alien scientists" but more "soldiers who get orders". The Sequel will talk about that yet unknown civilization, and if we have luck, we will get some answers. If the sequel will not be better then prometheus, this storyline is OvER AND OUT for me as i dont want to be lindelofs "riddle-toy", dont want waste my time on "LOsT in Space".

Shaw is NOT the dead Engineer on LV-426. Why? Heres why... 1. Shaw is less approximately 5 and a half feet tall, whereas the dead Engineer on LV-426 is 12-15 feet tall. 2. There was no sign off any eggs being stored on LV-223. 3. The interior design of the two Engineer crafts is radically different. 4. The dead Engineer and his suit were MUMMIFIED, mummification does not happen over the course of 29 years (2093-2122) in the conditions seen on LV-426. 5. The Xenomorph shown on LV-223 rips out of its victims entire torso, what came out the dead Engineer on LV-426 was a classic Chestburster. 6. And finally, before Prometheus was released Ridley scott stated that the derelict Engineer Craft on LV-426 was forced to land there when one of the cargo of Xenomorph eggs it was carrying contaminated the pilot, THOUSANDS of years ago.

[u]it may be, though, that they assumed it was fossilized as they didn't know it was an suit, as opposed to an actual body.[/u] I was thinking the same thing. But I reckon it could be a red herring. There's a lot of them in this film.

The dead Engineer in Alien was not fossilized. Here is an cutting from a [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/1105]previous thread[/url] I made explaining this matter... In Alien our assumption and Dallas' was that the Space Jockey in the Derelict was fossilized and had been there a long, long time... [img]http://images.wikia.com/aliens/images/2/26/SpaceJockey.jpg[/img] For 30 years we have held to this assumption, believing the Space Jockey was a flesh and blood being when he was alive, kinda like this (best picture I could get to illustrate my point)... [img]http://images.wikia.com/avp/images/d/d1/Mala'kak.jpg[/img] Then recently Ridley Scott changed the gameplan and announced that what we saw in Alien wasn't the Space Jockey, it was its suit. Which we see examples of in this (taken from the newest image)... [img]http://www.prometheusmovienews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/space_jockey_background_crop.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news/28869/Prometheus_Image_Shows_Two_Space_Jockey_Suits_The_Background_1326727467.jpg[/img] Looking at these suits/statues and comparing them to the image from Alien and Ridleys statement reveals that the Space Jockey wasn't fossilized in Alien, it was just a faded exo-skeletal bio-mechanical suit. Yes that means Dallas was wrong and after all these years (33) we were wrong. Fossil - [i]n[/i] petrified (skeletal) remains of plants and animals [img]http://www.staff.olympia.org/external/OHSLibrary/dino1.gif[/img] The Space Jockey is not and never was a fossil, just a faded exo-skeletal suit. To clarify here is a quote from forum member Starbeast... [quote]It's a suit that looks fossilised; much like that Halloween skeleton suit, which looks like a skeleton, but isn't a skeleton... it's a suit. This wasn't the thinking for the last thirty years but is now because Ridley has said it - not Jeunet, Anderson or the frigging brothers Strausse - but by God himself. God's law my brothers, written in stone.[/quote] Dallas was an incompetent captain of a tug boat, not a scientist. Had Science Officer Ash accompanied them into the derelict craft he would have corrected Dallas' incorrect ascertation.

Also it is not Shaw who is flying the Juggernaught in the end of Prometheus but David since he says that he is the only one who knows how to navigate the ship.

the cask is called skull helmet, the suit has ribs. if the suits is kind of bones, it can still fossilize

fossilization requires layers of sediment

old dust?

I had a started a thread about this yesterday. I know now that these new movies arent going to be addressing the LV-426 derelict craft but if Ridley doesnt make the sequels and no-one else does... would it be possible to say Shaw = SJ in original Alien film: http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7881 I think it is still possible.

Shaw is no Space Jockey, she’s the embodiment of the creature that the Engineer's team have been trying to develop which is why he starts killing when the good Doctor is attacked. He knows that their product works and off he goes to seed the Earth with his Goo. Think about Dr Shaw's new found capabilities: fighting off men when pregnant, using a male MedPod to conduct her own "caesarian" - not "abortion" because she sees no problem in its existence, only that it should not grow to full term within her - she was not in crippling pain afterwards, she lost her concept of modesty and to cap it all, she says that she wants to visit the Engineers' home planet to ask them why they intend to destroy humanity, the race they supposedly created! Who on Earth would do that? They want to destroy you, don't they? It would be like looking down the barrel of a gun you've just loaded and saying "Wonder how the bullets come out," as you pull the trigger. The only conclusion is that she's lying. Not a Christian proclivity is it? But then her new DNA has allowed her to survive, intact and undiminished, by more testing experiences than a few words to fool a robot she sees as a potential threat. In Alien and Aliens, the killing machine-cum-new world order hides in the departing craft, in Prometheus it's in charge of the ship.

Ok lets assume it could be Shaw.... It does not matter about the fossilization, because its not its simply simular to what Shreded Snake Skin becomes or a Spider that Shreds its Exo Skeleton... So maybe Shaw could get into the suit, or David... because the Engineers needed to suit up to fly the ship so we can assume Shaw/David must have done the same... HERE IS THE ONE REASON WHY SHAW IS NOT THE LV 426 JOCKEY.... Because assuming she is means that surely she will not apear in Prometheus 2 and that movie will not be about her mission to find the homeworld. For Shaw to be the SJ in Alien, she would have to had taken off on that Derelict that contained Eggs only to get as far as LV 426 which by space travel for that interstella craft is not a great amount of time... How would Prometheus 2 work if its story is about Shaws journey from LV 223 to the Engineers homeworld but she only gets as far as LV 426. Thats not much to make a movie on, you could explain that in a 20 min short movie.... Nope the Derelict on LV 426 has to become from... 1) Been there for thousands of years, maybe in connection to events that wiped out most Engineers on LV 223 2000 years ago... 2) After Shaw finds their homeworld, some or a single Engineer sets off to find out what went down on LV 426 and they end up comming into contact with the Decon Xeno and one lone Engineer survives and tries to take off with a ship full of Eggs (maybe layed or created via Decon Xeno) but he only gets as far as LV 426. 3) Mankind send out another mission to LV 223 come into contact with Decon Xeno and only one survives and gets into a Derelict that as above contains Eggs somehow but only gets as far as LV 426. Thats the 3 most logical outcomes.... 1) is based that the Xeno had been around for thousands of years and 2/3) that the Proto/Decon Xeno in Prometheus is the true Progenitor to the Xeno on LV 426.

[i]'For Shaw to be the SJ in Alien, she would have to had taken off on that Derelict that contained Eggs only to get as far as LV 426 which by space travel for that interstella craft is not a great amount of time..."[/i] Well, she would have only had to have been infected by one of of the Alien...Squid-body-hugger (I dont know what were calling them), or a variant of it. Its from a separate facility, we don't know exactly what happened there. So that, as we saw, could have happened as early as a day after take off. As for the David bit, personally, I think she would have flown the ship, and had him like, head-mounted on the dash board. It would have been harder, but I wouldn't let that fucknut fly the ship. [b]EDIT[/b] Also, an entire group of scientists didn't know it wasn't an exo-skeleton until they got it into a lab under equipment. The Nostromo crew looked at it for a good 30 seconds with flashlights. So you have a foreign metal/whatever, that clearly looks very organic, thats been left to foreign elements for a long period of time. 'Fossilized' might have been a first-guess, just like the head being a exo-skeleton was a first guess.