May someone enlighten my doubts of all the story gaps?

There are plot holes big enough that you can't formulate educated theories [i]around[/i]. This is not as smart of a movie as it tries to be. The characters do not act realistically on numerous occasions and it breaks the immersion. However, every other part of the movie is very pleasing to the eyes and entertaining. This movie is definitely worth a watch if you are a sci-fi fan, but make no mistake, this is no Inception in the "smart movie" department. An enjoyable, but frustrating experience. Yesterday I watched man in black III and, fan or not, THIS movie was more convincing, with theories about possible/ likeley realities and time travel. AND fun.

Bloody Lindelof has us 'Lost' at sea, or space in this case.

I laughed so hard. Not [i]at[/i] you - but, man: I surely did laugh. So [u]very[/u] hard. Number 6 is my top pick - maybe you should add in: "Why the piss would they invite us to their weapons plant?" Sit back and await a load of fan-fic, high-hat.

[u]1) Why the engineers wanted to kill humans? I'm guessing is to go to live on earth? Their planet was dying? I don't know, nothing is explained. [/u] Who says they were going to kill us all? That's an assumption. Did you base it on David's cryptic comment about destroying in order to create? Did that mean a bunch of humans or all? if it was a bunch of humans, it might have been a routine mission. [u]2) If Weyland appears in Alien 3, were Aliens already exist, why is Weyland here as well? Was it really an android in Alien 3? There's no connection between franchises then? Don't know... [/u] Who said that was Weyland in Alien 3? Oh, yeah the character that WANTED Ripley to trust him, and knew she didn't trust androids. [u]3) I have to understand that all the holograms were security cameras?........ :S [/u] Beats the crap out of 'captains log' doesn't it? [u]4) From what were the engineers running and dying in piles? [/u] From what did Wallace, Byrnes and Davis run from and die in the cargo hold of Prometheus. Something that was previously like them and mutated right? [u]5) If those bugs were supposed to be sent to earth to kill humans, what was the plan then? Invade earth later with those things running around? [/u] I again say, you've assumed the plan was to kill all humans. Ridley suggests lots of things for us to assume. There's almost nothing to back up ANYTHING in this film. [u]6) How all those civilizations saw those stars so far away? And which was the "invitation" if the engineers wanted to kill them all? So it was no invitation? So the engineers didn't teach them their location? SO HOW AND WHY THEN DID THEY DREW THAT STAR ALIGNMENT??? [/u] Did you think perhaps they saw a 3D hologram somewhere? [u]7) Other ships buried all over the place? WTF? [/u] there were 5 or 6 other domes. [u] Why couldn't the engineers do all that plan that they had, from their home planet? [/u] On Earth where are the bioweapons labs? Next door to the houses of the people in charge of them? Or in the desert? [u]9) How the hell did the DNA matched 100% if the species is, at least, physically different? I don't share the same DNA with my own mother, and she's is my mother! [/u] I don't think they mean on the level of individual, I think they mean the DNA markers that show what SPECIES it is. And by the way, we already have technology -first used on lab rats etc. whereby without removing a gene, we can inhibit it from expressing itself. (create albino mice by suppressing skin pigments.... Not sure if we've made them lose body hair and nipples too.) [u]10) OK, I got to the supposition that the intro scene means the origin of the human raze evolving from the broken DNA in the water. But why did they did that? They were testing planets for life subsistence? Again, their planet was dying from something? [/u] Why do you assume from the intro that its the origin of humans? Who said that this was primordial Earth. If so, why is there moss in one scene? How do you know this is not the same morning that Shaw finds the cave drawing, but 50 light years away.... and therefore, any link between their DNA and hours, would have different implications, would it not? What would it mean for the origin of Space Jockeys, and their place in space if they are not older than us? Ask yourself, is a "book of genesis" start and a"book of revalations" end stated anywhere, or did Ridley Scott play on our assumptions to lead us into a puzzle? [u]I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND #$%&!!![/u] You're not alone. This is why peole on here have watched it several times. Some still don't get it. It depends on whether you question everything.

1. Because we killed space Jesus. Also, because in the hands of humans the black goo creates bad things. This is because the engineers Self sacrifice and humans don't. 2. No idea, timeline isn't supposed to be consistent. 3. Playback only. But you can touch it. Go figure... 4. Something created by the black goo. Presumably a xeno type creature made from a creator with bad intentions. 5. Men killed space Jesus, engineers decided to use the goo to wipe out earth. Creation without self sacralise led to a disaster which wiped out the engineers. 6. Engineers have visited and left the maps, before we pissed them off by killing space Jesus. 7. No idea. 8. No idea. 9. Cos the writer have no understanding of basic science or genetics. 10. You inherent half you genes from your mum and half from your dad. Otherwise she ain't your mum! 10. I think the suggestion is that they use the goo to create all life in the universe or to speed up it's evolution. Again, shit science.

So Jesus was an Engineer and was crucified by humans? damn heretics!!! ¬¬

Hi hadleys the beef i have with a couple of your answers like 1 & 10 is that it makes for a bad stand alone movie. Its like they lied to us but we dont know if they did so its all theory. Then the payoff is left for prometheus 2. Its cheap your saying you cant take anything at face value and trying to make sense of it is pretty futile. Not fun

South Park predicted this :p [img]http://i1159.photobucket.com/albums/p636/diacono3/1112_alien_attacks_jesus.jpg[/img]

Here's your answers 1) Why the engineers wanted to kill humans? I'm guessing is to go to live on earth? Their planet was dying? I don't know, nothing is explained. [b]Because the Engineers originally intended to deploy the urns 2000 years ago, and again when the Engineer was awoken from his hyper-sleep, I suspect it was to use us en-masse as host's for the Xenomorph.[/b] 2) If Weyland appears in Alien 3, were Aliens already exist, why is Weyland here as well? Was it really an android in Alien 3? There's no connection between franchises then? Don't know... [b]The character you refer to is called Bishop II, not Charles Bishop Weyland (AVP). This character was most likely a synthetic sent to coerce Ripley into giving up the Xenomorph. Peter Weyland is not Bishop II.[/b] 3) I have to understand that all the holograms were security cameras?........ :S [b]The holograms are essentially a black-box recording of what happened on LV-223 2000 years ago. Similar in purpose to the signal in Alien - a warning.[/b] 4) From what were the engineers running and dying in piles? [b]The pile of dead Engineers is your answer, they fell victim to their creation (again), as shown by the holes in the dead Engineers heads and chests.[/b] 5) If those bugs were supposed to be sent to earth to kill humans, what was the plan then? Invade earth later with those things running around? [b]Look at the game-plan we know of - Lone Engineer seeds life on Earth and other planets, life which eventually results in billions of individuals sharing almost the same DNA of the Engineer that sacrificed itself. These Billions are then targeted, when large enough in number but not too technologically advanced, to become hosts for the Xenomorph. Why? No-one knows, that will probably be hinted at in the sequel.[/b] 6) How all those civilizations saw those stars so far away? And which was the "invitation" if the engineers wanted to kill them all? So it was no invitation? So the engineers didn't teach them their location? SO HOW AND WHY THEN DID THEY DREW THAT STAR ALIGNMENT??? [b]The base on LV-223 was not originally a military outpost, this is exemplified by the Temples, the Monument to the Sacrificial Engineer and the murals depicting the Xenomorph and other creations. Therefore one can assume we weren't originally intended to be host's for the Xenomorph, but replacement Engineers. Why did they change their mind as to our purpose, that will probably be explained/inferred in the sequel.[/b] 7) Other ships buried all over the place? WTF? [b]This shows that LV-223 was a base of operations for the plan to replace the life the Engineers had seeded with the Xenomorph.[/b] 8) Why couldn't the engineers do all that plan that they had, from their home planet? [b]Why risk the contamination of such a dangerous lifeform on your homeworld, when you can use other worlds that hold no importance to your species.[/b] 9) How the hell did the DNA matched 100% if the species is, at least, physically different? I don't share the same DNA with my own mother, and she's is my mother! [b]I think the word best used is GENOME, humans all share the same genome, this there are differences between the individuals, but those variants exist within the genome. We share the same genome to the Engineers, we are evolutionary bred clones of the Sacrificial Engineer.[/b] 10) OK, I got to the supposition that the intro scene means the origin of the human raze evolving from the broken DNA in the water. But why did they did that? They were testing planets for life subsistence? Again, their planet was dying from something? [b]They were seeding life to create clones of themselves. Why, no-one knows that will be explained or inferred in the sequel(s).[/b]

Guys are we forgetting that one of the cave paintings is dated 680 AD not BC. (The Hawaiian one) Throw your "revenge for killing Jesus" idea out the WINDOW. Ridley Scott deliberately hid ONE single drawing from after that event in a crowded shot full of dated drawings, just so it could chestburst you when you thought you were home safe. Why does not believing that the engineers made us make a bad stand alone movie? I think it not only makes a better movie, with a stand lone theme, (and possibility for expansion)... but the [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8183]implied ending[/url] makes me laugh at all the stupid crap we believed while figuring this out.

but you don't know the engineers never made us. your guessing from the info given to us in the film. DNA, scene at the start, character dialogue all poinst to engineers making us. there is no info the engineers never made us. you could be right and hopefully there is a 3rd race but we never found out in this movie.

FLUKE... that's like saying there's no proof of NO God. Hello, do these arguments suddenly become MORE logical when switched from God to UFOs? Logic is Logic. There is hardly anything in this film to hang anything on, and plenty of open questions where you can assume a or b and go on diverging paths... and then no longer see the other path, if you stop questioning. Here's my quick version of how you could go. Genesis - first book of bible Exo-genesis - the idea of deliberate seeding of a world by aliens. Point of putting 'sacrifice scene" as scene 1, with no dialogue or text or a zoom in from space showing it to DEFINTELY be Earth (Sun, moon Saturn type of points of reference)... To let people's preconceptions play into their interpretations of the film. From there on people will dig deep into detail of Suemrian, Christian, UFO stuff... looking for the 'why' of it all. If, however, you make no assumptions and draw no conclusions other than what is DEFINITELY on the screen, you will spare yourself that futile search. Question everything, and see where the alternative explanations could lead. Fall for tricks in scene 1 on - Oh, yeah, they made us. Odd they're dead... Oh the two guys who expressed skepticism are the first to die. for doubting and violating Leviticus 21:20 (you spectacle wearing doubter !!!) kileld by a snake from genesis too. Wow. Praise the Lord. Why are the angels all dead? Oh, one's sleeping. Oh, he's angry at us for trying to play god and seek immortality. He's gonna wipe us all out. He was supposed to do that 2000 years ago, when Jesus was here, but there was an accident and he had to sleep... (cos' y;know angels are like that. ) He considers Weyland's request blasphemy and his android an abomination. He smites them. Now it's Armageddon... oh, wait the true christian believer has intervened to save us from the wrath, and her miracle birth offspring in turn has saved her, before sprouting another demon for her to tackle in the sequel. But she's got that cross so she's gonna be fine. Or, the skeptical line of enquiry could lead you to a Dr. Frankenstein plot. Okay so there's aliens... on some planet, somewhere, not sure when this is. Oh he's dead. That's odd. Oh, look a MONOLITH... Kubrick liked them, put on in 2001 for the monkeys to evolve next to didn't he? Oh, scientists think we were visited by aliens... sure the cave paintings suggest that. Oh, she's just said that they MADE us... the cave paintings do not indicate that. Where did she get the idea from? It's not like she was watching scene 1 or anything. Oh, two other scientists are saying 'bullshit' I like them, they seem smart, they'll be useful. Oh, they were dumb and got killed. Was that guy smoking weed? Sheesh, that would explain why he petted a freakin' space cobra! Oh, those guys have the same DNA as us. And the planet seems to have air to suit us... and yet the big guys can breathe outside where we can't. It's almost like all those trips to earth might have been about bringing humans to their lab. Iwonder if these big guys with our DNA were turned into space slaves by some nasty space version of the KKK, who have Xenomorphs on a leash to keep the slaves in line.... I wonder if he was supposed to fetch more humans for the lab before he went into stasis. Oh, this guy Weyland seems to think the big grey guys are gods and will give him eternal life. This should be an interesting conversation. Why's the big dude bowing to them. Why does he care if they beat Shaw. Oh, Weyland didn't see that coming did he? Beaten to death with the head of his own robot. Irony. Oh, he's following Shaw. I wonder what he'll try to tell her and how... The most recent cave drawing was 680 AD in hawaii... he probably can't speak English... hemight have to grab her, drag her back to the ship, and with David as interpreter, and thse 3D holograms,,, he'll explain ALL about the bad things that kidnapped humans and turned them blue. She'll be happy about finding this out. Oh, no, she killed him with one of those nasty facehuggers things. That was huge how did it get so big... and what happened the two crew members we never saw die... oh, yeah, they were medical staff.... and there's blood in the medical bay where the big squid thing is. Off screen death can be funny when it's not Newt and Hicks doing the dying eh? Now David wants another master. He was hoping for a superior one. He tells Shaw that there are more ships. She wants to fly off and ask the slave masters to have a discussion on philosophical issues? She's deluded. This film is mental.

" there is hardly anything in this film to hang anything on" I agree with this : )

Hadley's Hope: "Now David wants another master. He was hoping for a superior one" What? Where did you get that Idea? It seems David 8 told Shaw in a blatant way that if Weyland died he would be free [though he himself states that he doesn't understand what "wanting" is]. Please explain me where you got that idea of David 8 "wanting" another master and hoping for a superior one.

Kane77: [i]"The characters do not act realistically on numerous occasions and it breaks the immersion."[/i] Characters not acting realistically? The final 20+ minutes of this film was literally an extended exercise in illogical behavior/reactions from the characters in my opinion. 1) Does ANYONE care (or even bother to report) that a mini massacre has just happened in the docking area courtesy of the newly mutated Fifield? Perhaps it just doesn't really count since it was only nameless ship extras that were torn apart. (You know, the 'red-shirts' of the Prometheus universe.) 2) A gory, bloody, sweat-soaked Shaw has just undergone a self-surgery to remove an alien creature from her body. This same gory, bloody, sweat-soaked woman collapses onto the floor of a room currently filled with ship medical personnel prepping an ancient Peter Weyland. You think any of the humans present might want to comment on the fact that a gory, bloody, sweat-soaked woman just collapsed onto the floor directly in front of them? You know. Perhaps ask a question or two on exactly why she has staples holding her lower stomach together? 3) Perhaps that's why Shaw decided to return the group-snub by failing to mention that Vicker's med-lab is now a nursery to an ultra-aggressive and dangerous alien/squid monster. Or maybe she just didn't want to ruin the moment while the remaining ship's medical personnel were busy washing the feet of the young guy wearing the thick, stiff 'old-man' Halloween mask. Can you blame editing for all this illogic? Maybe. And maybe the gaps of logic will be filled in by the inevitable DVD extended-edition. Or maybe not. Perhaps PROMETHEUS (in whatever form it takes on DVD) will remain an ambitious film that simply couldn't fully deliver upon it's own hype. I didn't hate this movie. I didn't love it either. Instead, all I was left with after the end-credits started to roll was one big feeling of "MEH!" [i]*SIGH*[/i]… What could have been.

[u]1) Does ANYONE care (or even bother to report) that a mini massacre has just happened in the docking area courtesy of the newly mutated Fifield? [/u] Report to whom? The captain is the one who finished off Fifield with the flamethrower, so who does he report to? Someone on Earth? Hardly urgent news, given that it took over 28 months to get there, nobody is going to dispatch a morgue van to bring home the dead for a decent burial. [u]You think any of the humans present might want to comment on the fact that a gory, bloody, sweat-soaked woman just collapsed onto the floor directly in front of them? You know. Perhaps ask a question or two on exactly why she has staples holding her lower stomach together?[/u] David knows, but he doesn't tell people anything that they don't ask, unless it suits his purposes. The others are, like all the humans on board, supposed to be idiots, so obsessed with what they believe - serving Weyland.. etc, that they don't raise it. Which might have saved two of their lives at least. Shaw is more concerned about the fact that Weyland, who she doesn't trust, wants to go meet a Space Jockey that has a load of WMD, to do a deal. In the circumstances, the squid, which she probably assumed to be dead, when the MedPod purged, could have slipped her mind.

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[quote][u]David knows, but he doesn't tell people anything that they don't ask, unless it suits his purposes. The others are, like all the humans on board, supposed to be idiots, so obsessed with what they believe - serving Weyland.. etc, that they don't raise it. Which might have saved two of their lives at least[/u].[/quote] [quote][u]In the circumstances, the squid, which she probably assumed to be dead, when the MedPod purged, could have slipped her mind[/u].[/quote] Hadley's Hope, I'm not sure how a bloody and gory self-surgery that removes an alien lifeform can [i]"slip one's mind"[/i] mere minutes after said event has occurred but, I'll give you a tip o' the hat for at least giving more thought than the script-writers apparently did while attempting to explain the irrational behavior we witnessed during the rushed and forced final act. My personal overall impression still stands: "Meh." I was expecting a modern day masterpiece of a 3-course dinner and ended up instead with a pleasant enough sandwich with a tasty side-order. And that was about it.

@Graphix67 I have quite a few, but thank you for mentioning one of my top loves: the part of the Shaw-baby affair, where she doesn't mention it to anyone, at all - and how it's never mentioned again?.. I love that one. I roll that one around in my mind like a gigantic pearl - in awe.....I actually admire the perfect and flawless stupidity of it. I don't even like to disturb it at all anymore - I don't like to think she could have come in and accused them of impregnating her; or, she could have come in hysterical and angry and flew at Weyland or somebody; or anything annoying like that. I find to consider anything other than the fact she just came and sat down and had a chat and didn't mention anything to anyone again......I find those kinds of thoughts just destroy the still, quiet, purity of it. When I think of it, now, the issue seems to revolve, slowly, in my mind - and I hear music.... "Memory", from the musical, "Cats", [Instrumental version]. And now, courtesy of @Hadley's Hope, as the piece rises to it's closing and tremendous crescendo, I will also be thinking: "Well...perhaps - it, 'slipped her mind'?....". Aahhhh........ Thank you @Hadley's Hope. Thank you.

A modern day masterpiece? in the Alien franchise? You did know this movie would involve slimy, acid for blood, creepy crawly creatures, some possible chestbursting and xenomorphs? I think the higher anybody set their expectations the more they were let down. Believe me I was worried going in to see it after hearing it was on par with AVP ( which I do like BTW, but it's definitely flawed), but the film is hardly comparable to AVP and I enjoyed it. Alien and Blade Runner weren't made by Scott with sequels already planned and written. What you have here is a rarity in that case from him. You may have just been served the appetizer in your 3 course meal, and you might just end up quite pleased with the entire meal.