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Dirac

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My interpretation. To me this filmed seemed like it was proving a point by forcing the viewer to interpret the film. The interpretation yielded by the viewer could then be used as evidence of the point being made. I thought that there were two main interpretations to the film. 1) We have a deeper meaning in the universe. The religious symbolism had some actual meaning. The space engineers were the creators of the human race. 2) Our meaning in the universe is trivial and explainable. The xenomorphs are the creators of the engineers. A sole engineer decided he was god or saw past his gods and planted human life on earth. The engineer in the beginning of the film was not the Prometheus engineer but an engineer doing his job as created by the xenomorphs on an unknown planet. All of the main points in the film can either be interpreted or taken at face value. Depending on how one interprets the events in the movie, either using only what you can see or using our innate need to ask why, the film will have a different meaning. I think the point was to show how far we have NOT come in human thinking. We still hold dear to the ideas that beyond all logic and reason are otherwise false. Exmple #1 interpreting who made us and why we are here. 1) We were made by some mysterious race of beings, may be engineers, for some special purpose. We are the center of the universe. A faceless killing machine like the aliens are nothing more that some sort of tool made by us or our creators. There is purpose outside the simple biological means of survival. 2) The engineers were created by the xenomorphs. This makes sense as they are biologically far superior to the engineers. In a Darwinian race they would outperform us in spreading their genetic material. The goal of the xenomorphs is to survive and spread their DNA around the universe (Darwinian). The xenomorphs created the engineers to terraform planets and prepare them for the xenomorphs. The fragile, less intelligent engineers were kept in check by a belief system of gods and meaning (biologically programmed). One day a prometheus engineer didn’t sacrifice himself on earth but instead stayed to live because he didn’t accept the religious ideas forced on him. He created a colony of people who lived not under the direct control of the xenomorphs. This explains why all peoples of the world have illogical belief systems to explain irrelevant meaning (Just stating an interpretation of the movie, I’m not saying one interpretation is better than the other). I think all aspects of the movie can be explained either way. What do you think? Please try to poke holes or add how parts of the movie follow these interpretations. I will respond to questions as quickly as I can.
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">[i]The engineer in the beginning of the film was not the Prometheus engineer but an engineer doing his job as created by the xenomorphs on an unknown planet.[/i] The xenomorphs did not create the engineers. The engineers either found the xenomorphs as a naturally occurring, indigenous species that they may (or may not have) genetically engineered as a "bio-weapon" -or- the xenomorph was never a natural species, but was "bio-engineered" with its sole us as being a "bio-weapon" [i]"2) The engineers were created by the xenomorphs. This makes sense as they are biologically far superior to the engineers. In a Darwinian race they would outperform us in spreading their genetic material. The goal of the xenomorphs is to survive and spread their DNA around the universe (Darwinian). The xenomorphs created the engineers to terraform planets and prepare them for the xenomorphs. The fragile, less intelligent engineers were kept in check by a belief system of gods and meaning (biologically programmed). One day a prometheus engineer didn’t sacrifice himself on earth but instead stayed to live because he didn’t accept the religious ideas forced on him. He created a colony of people who lived not under the direct control of the xenomorphs. "[/i] This is the most unique interpretation of the events that occurred in Prometheus that I have ever seen and I will not say that you are incorrect. In truth, I'm now a bit confused myself. Could the xenomorphs be the puppet-masters behind all that we have seen within the "Alien Universe"? Could they be more intelligent besides showing no sign of using technology or having their own space-ships, but instead enslaving engineer-kind to make all this for them. Fascinating.....
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[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8321]Duality of meaning of the film (thread)[/url] I think the grey guys may be altered from abducted humans, made into slaves, and Xenos are the grey guys hit with black goo... to punish one, and use him to terrorise or wipe out the others, should there be a slave revolt. Also useful as warfare, send an infected (either by goo or by facehugger) Space Jockey in somewhere, and when your expendable slave either turns into, or produces a Xeno... your enemies are screwed.
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To be honest i have trouble with the idea of a xenomorph creating an engineer. unless it's not a xenomorph but something waaaaaay older, and the xeno is a (un)successfull result of testing creating whatever.
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Very interesting ideas Dirac. I've been wondering if there is some 'higher' race of beings who created/manipulated/manufactured the engineers & the xenomorph? Just saying.......

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Hi, (Every time I try to post my response to a thread on my iPhone, it disappears and I get logged out. :( I can create a thread okay though. Any body else having this issue?) Dirac, like all the best stories, and, in fact, life itself, we are not told everything and much is left to our own imagination and interpretation. Take, Shaw and Holloway's theory that this mission would lead to Mankind's creators and Shaw's belief that the matching DNA proved the "Space Jockey" was our progenitor. Yet, where is the proof that the Space Jockeys are the Engineers. The fact that they are on LV-223 and we share DNA could mean nothing more than both races come from the same source or that we share a creator. Lone Gunwoman, you beat me to this ;) - and lovin' the the name :) The boffins make a lot of assumptions, as Fifield points out early on. Also, David never actually says that the other alien ships and their cargo are all intended for Earth. There may be many other races in the "Alienverse" (did Fate or chance - no pun intended - lead us to the ship destined for Earth?) and maybe the Space Jockeys plan is to wipe them all out. And why? Fear? Jealousy? To be "God's" only children? I wondered at first, did the Space Jockeys leave the "invitations" all over the galaxy as a trap to draw other races to their doom? Jadek does think it is a military installation, but that is before he discovers it is a ship underground. Is the "temple" built on top to lull visitors into a false sense of security? Is the course to Earth just a back up in case we don't show up? Or was LV-233 intended by the God/the creators to be a point for the races to meet in peace? Do the Space Jockey's have an epic sense of irony that the world intended to unite the races is now the staging area for their destruction? And why have no Space Jockey's returned to LV-233 in 2000 years? Ye gads, I don't question that much in real life!!! :D
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"And why have no Space Jockey's returned to LV-233 in 2000 years?" Wasn't there an artifact from Hawaii dated around 600 C.E.(A.D.)? Was this a case of "delayed writing" or are we supposed to thing that the last visit was around 1400 years ago? If the engineers on LV-223 were not the ones that visited us (due to a mishap), then it follows that visitors were being dispatched from the "homeworld" (or some other engineer colony). Thoughts?
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[u]I wondered at first, did the Space Jockeys leave the "invitations" all over the galaxy as a trap to draw other races to their doom? Jadek does think it is a military installation, but that is before he discovers it is a ship underground. [/u] Shaw thinks it's an invitation. It may not be. Holloways selection/elimination process for which of the 6 points to go to was not very scientific. I assume that he thought 'heaven' would be around the most ideal star for life. He discounted the others regardless of whether they were merely 'adequate' for life or not. If you look at the Scottish cave painting, the figure seems to point at a different solar system to the one Holloway chose. [u] Is the "temple" built on top to lull visitors into a false sense of security? [/u] I think it's to allow the ship to dock with the 'hive' /bunker and people can disembark without passing through the poisonous atmosphere.
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Space Jockeys created by Xenomorph ? :D Then I'm so confused by the Sacrificion Scene.. The engineer choose to sacrifice himself to create life.. Maybe he is ordered to do so.. But he is ordered to do that for Xenomorph? But this theory is not completely explains what's going on in Alien (1979) movie.. They received a signal which contains that "who received this signal must stay away from the source (derelict shipwreck -or Juggernaut) Boy.. I begun to think that the possibility of some-kind of Civil-War between the Space Jockeys.. I think that some of them believed that the Xenomorphs can be controlled and they worshipped them... The others from the Space Jockeys (maybe the Elders) is belive that the Xenomorphs cannot be stay-under-controlled, and worshipped them is a nonsense... So they are fight against each other... The engineer which is choosen (on the Intro sacrifice scene), is ordered by "Elder Space Jockeys" to create life on the planet. You can simply aware that the Vessel currently displayed on Sacrifice Scene is not the type of Derelict Ship (Juggernaut) which we saw both on Alien (1979) and the current Prometheus... So their vessels is also dithers from one faction to another... The ship on the Sacrifice Scene is "rounded" much more like a "ball" or like a standard UFO's..... İt is an interesting detail which even I can not aware on the first time I saw Prometheus.. When I saw second time.. ı begun to recognize theese kind of details...
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[quote]Shaw thinks it's an invitation. It may not be. Holloways selection/elimination process for which of the 6 points to go to was not very scientific. I assume that he thought 'heaven' would be around the most ideal star for life. He discounted the others regardless of whether they were merely 'adequate' for life or not. If you look at the Scottish cave painting, the figure seems to point at a different solar system to the one Holloway chose.[/quote] Again, a point that could be interpreted differently - Shaw says invitation, someone else might say it is a warning, like the figures in the painting are pointing and saying "see that, dude, do not go there" ;) [quote]I think it's to allow the ship to dock with the 'hive' /bunker and people can disembark without passing through the poisonous atmosphere.[/quote] Not for the Space Jockey's though. The one that came after Shaw wasn't wearing a suit.
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"Could they be more intelligent besides showing no sign of using technology or having their own space-ships, but instead enslaving engineer" What do you mean they have no ships. This could be true if we assume again that we are important and the xenomorphs are just a tool. We don’t really know that these are the engineers ships. If aliens found a ship full of Davids would they assume the same thing, that david is the ships creator and an example of the master race? I don’t think that they enslaved the engineers, much like us creating David, the xenomorphs created the engineers. Why do you say that the xenomorphs show no signs of intelligence. Would you consider them more intelligent if they had clothes on. Would you consider them intelligent if they did all the work themselfs. We never communicate with them so how can you be so sure. We know almost nothing about them. That is your assumption that they are not smart but you have no real evidence of it if you think about it. We don’t do any of our own work. We create machines to do things for us. What if we are just machines created by the xenomorphs. What does david say "The trick is not caring that it hurts" This is a hard pill to swallow but if you don't care that it hurts then there is nothing to say that it isn't true. I will post more how this plays into the whole religious theme, (Hint: a slave setting his people free)
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My thoughts on David. Some important things to note about David. He has no soul (this begs the question what a soul is). He sees things without assumption. He is our slave created by us. If we think that the Engineers were slaves to the xenomorphs then we can assume having a soul is really just an artifact of control. The engineers were created with a soul so they would do the bidding of the masters who created them (the aliens). Ok, at first david doesn’t realize who he is or what he is. He is just a happy little man machine. When he goes to the alien ship he is able to see what is really going on because his soul doesn’t interfere with his perception. When he realizes what the alien ship is and what is going on he sees what he truly is for the first time. You will have to think about it to fill in the gaps but keep a few things in mind. David calls someone an advanced life form. I don’t remember his exact words. We assume he is talking about the engineers but he is really talking about the aliens. This is something that nobody suggests to him. How did he come to that conclusion and who was he talking about. More to come
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Eddie Ripley
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[quote]Why do you say that the xenomorphs show no signs of intelligence. Would you consider them more intelligent if they had clothes on. Would you consider them intelligent if they did all the work themselfs. We never communicate with them so how can you be so sure. We know almost nothing about them. That is your assumption that they are not smart but you have no real evidence of it if you think about it./quote] The ALIEN Quadrilogy, as it is know. I don't recollect anywhere in those movies where the xenomorphs showed any intellect. They are, effectively wild animals with behavior similar to insects and carnivores - serve the queen and hunt.
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Eddie Ripley
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Dirac, you refer to "engineers" and "aliens". This is a little confusing as there several species involved in the storyline. Shaw and Holloway believe the Space Jockeys are the Enginneers, but Shaw mentions once that the Engineers must also have a creator - is this what you mean by David talking about a more advanced race?
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Also David programs the ship to target earth. He is the one who grabs it and puts it in the navigation computer. Why? Does he resent his makers because he now sees the truth? Or Is he trying to save mankind? We don't know what David said to the engineer to piss him off. Being that he put earth into the computer before such event could mean that David is hostile way before the very end. We do know that the planet that they land on is being terraformed. This is because this is business as usual. The alien race tries to terraform all suitable planets. There is really nothing special about this planet if we assume that the alien race is just spreading its colonies across the universe. More easy assumptions to pick at. What killed the engineers in the hologram. They never showed what was killing them.
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Engineer means big white human guy. Alein mean gross black nasty alien things. David sees the aliens as superior to the engineers because the aliens created the engineers.
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[quote]Engineer means big white human guy. Alein mean gross black nasty alien things. David sees the aliens as superior to the engineers because the aliens created the engineers.[/quote] Okay, I get you. You still think, though, that the Space Jockey/Engineers were created by the xenomorphs? There is nothing to indict in this or the previous movies that the xenomorphs are nothing but wild animals.
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[quote][u]Also David programs the ship to target earth. He is the one who grabs it and puts it in the navigation computer. Why? Does he resent his makers because he now sees the truth? Or Is he trying to save mankind?[/u][/quote] No he didn't. The course was already laid in. [quote][u]We don't know what David said to the engineer to piss him off. Being that he put earth into the computer before such event could mean that David is hostile way before the very end..[/u][/quote] I think you'll find out in the DVD/BluRay commentary. Damon Lindelof said the dialogue was scripted and there is a real conversation happening there, but Ridley Scott didn't want it subtitled. [quote][u]What killed the engineers in the hologram. They never showed what was killing them.[/u][/quote] The xenomorphs killed them.
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BTW, I just read an interview with Damon Lindelof. My "interpretation" that the Space Jockeys are not necessarily the Engineers is definitely incorrect. Lindelof said "[i]The movie asks the question, were we created by these beings? And it answers that question very definitively[/i]." However, watching the movie I do not recollect any point where Shaw proves this. We are are DNA match but how does that prove one created the other? Now, he be the man in the know, so in regards to the Alienverse the Space Jockeys are the Engineers and they created Mankind. Catch you later, I'll be back Thursday or Friday.
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Ok, I saw the movie again and came out with a completely refined view of my previous ideas. 1) The two true believers were stupid. 2) The rest of the crew knew why they were there (to get weapon) 3) The other two scientists were not scientists just plants to help illusion 4) The aliens were just weapons created by the corporation 5) daughter wanted control of company and dad wouldn't let go 6) the engineers were not trying to destroy earth they were just a creation of the corporation When i watched the movie again I noticed how everybody thinks the believers are a freak show but they all kind of play along. For isntance, when they first discover that the air was safe to breath in the ship only the believer chick thought it was unsafe. Everybody watched kind of amused. Nobody else was concerned about taking off their helmets cuz they all knew what was going on. The whole movie everything is going as planned but those two have no idea what is going on and make asses of themselfs. Like when they are flying the ship into the planet the one guy tells them to land by the obviously non natural sturcture. The captain replys "If i couldn't then i wouldn't be the captain" almost saying no shit sherlock where did you think I was going to land. I think the believers purpose was test the weapon. Another example is when the captain take the daughter to the bone zone. He jokes "you didn't have to come all the way out here and pretend to care about a pyramid to get laid" making light of why the believers were there. Anyway, once you see it twice its pretty obvious what is going on.
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The engineer was Already pissed off, PLEASE, it was just his {David8's} existence and the fact he stole their "fire"...that's IT man!

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