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MemberOvomorphJune 19, 20122769 Views34 Replies
I was disappointed with Prometheus on many levels, and I am quite sure that I won´t remember this movie as anything but a grand scale missed opportunity. It seems to me though, that a lot of the people, who liked this movie try to categorize the opposite opinion as lack of insight or abillity to make sense of the plot. So can someone please explain the plotholes to me, and more importantly; tell me how the understanding of these plotholes, makes this movie a masterpiece...
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@visualizer - you're confused why everyone thinks this is amazing too; welcome to the party pal! be prepared though for a bevy of "what plot holes", "this script is intentionally stupid, because they're testing our intelligence", and so on! any movie that requires multiple viewing to get "what might be implied" is not a good movie! it isn't even leaving it open ended like say, "inception", which is a good movie. there are continuity errors with inception, but it is well done, well acted, has an understandable premise that doesn't require prescience to "get", etc... now - the reality! the characters are dumb. regardless of what you're being fed here from a story perspective - its depth - the speculation of the engineers and their purpose - black/green good, nothing can be done to overlook the stupidity of the characters and inconsistencies. yes, they are going to rail against you. those questions you have - cannot be answered - everything is inferred. they're all scientist - they do dumb things in 2093 - geologist mapping gets lost, biologist turns snake charmer, people smoking up in their space suits, people taking off their helmets in a new alien world, shaws heroic run with staples, there is no surgeon on this ship that can perform her abortion (yes people - that's what it is), no reason why Weyland is hiding - he's funding the mission "why hide", what purpose do shaw and holloway have after discovering the planet (zero), captain leaves people out to die while he knocks of a Vickers piece, immaculate conception not explained, and the list goes on! why didn't the engineer just take another ship? because then we couldn't have that tie-in with Jason and his hockey mask meeting cuddles??? stupid! don't try to understand the why's of the movie? try to understand why they didn't make it right and spread the word?
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@visualizer "It seems to me though, that a lot of the people, who liked this movie try to categorize the opposite opinion as lack of insight or abillity to make sense of the plot". I just laugh at them...
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[u]1.Who says they did? shaw does in the movie. [/u] So? Shaw's not the most reliable source of anything. When she said that, she had ZERO evidence to base it on, and when she found a DNA match, does anybody say 'hmmm I wonder if THEY came from US rather than vice versa.' Y'know scientific scrutiny. Look at her fact checking. David says some vage stuff to her, and without asking him a second question like "what does that mean?" she goes off all chicken little to persuade Janek to kamikaze the juggernaut. [u]Also the scene at the start alludes to this as this is what they do to create life. unless the movie lies to us and doesnt reveal that in the end [/u] And that was Earth was it? Why? Because the bible starts with Genesis? Because there is a subtle psychological trick in Scene 2/3 to inluence us to link the previous scene? [u]2.They didn't. Holloway made a bad job of picking his destination there is no evidence of this in the film. they state clearly only 1 system matches the map (lol) [/u] What lol ... ? Do you even understand what happened in that scene? I fail to see what you're laughing about. One grouping of six stars matches. Yes, he got that bit right, then he went off the deep end. He eliminates all but the BEST match star before he looks for planets, and then looks for atmosphere. Whatever happened to checking anything where conditions were ADEQUATE, rather than ideal. Unless of course, you assume you're meeting god and his crib isn't around some crappy dwarf star. [u]4. again an assumption this was stated in the movie by david "to create you must first destroy" [/u] That's why I said "assumption" she assumed that means Armageddon. And what does that mean exactly? And do you notice that anytime David says something vague, or with double meaning, he is misleading someone? If he wanted to say 'they're going to kill everyone' he could have said it, provided it was true. He seems unable to tell a straight lie though. But these vague cryptic comments seem to be his loophole. [u]5. There's a 7th century cave drawing from Hawaii shown in the briefing. ok why havnt they been to earth in 1200 years : p ? [/u] Look at the spacing between cave drawings, it's not like the pop in every Friday on the way back from buying weed. [u]6. see answers 4 & 5 doesnt answer the question . if they did go to the planet they left the engineer in hyper sleep buit for what reason? if they didnt visit why not? [/u] Dude, you are seriously pulling out things that aren't there. What part of a visit in 680 CE means that the ship on LV 223 came here to do it, and not another one. Did you forget that there are other ships? And why is there a question. We don't know why they have such long intervals between visits. Why do you assume they must visit within 1200 years?
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[u]Hmm, the movie has tons of gore and horror, and its pace fits an action movie or adventure flick rather than a mystery. [/u] I don't think the pacing fits an action movie at all. They keep stopping to have philosophical debates, and much of the horror is not very atmospheric. The c-section had a tense atmosphere, but most other parts not all that scary. [u]With all due respect, categorizing Prometheus as a mystery movie to justify missing explanations doesn´t make sense to me.[/u] I said it was a mystery, I didn't say it justifies all missing explanations. If there are answers to be found, then that's fine. If they just leave stuff hanging just to dick us around, then that's not fine.
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Of course they're leaving stuff hanging, just do dick us around. They're not going to nail down every possible interpretation/association to eliminate all but one possibility. We're not going to see some wizened Engineer go off on a five minute soliloquy of comprehensive historical exposition, either. You just can't get too specific with a sci-fi intersection of ETs and "creation." Ambiguity and mystery are actually a requirement, unless you want to end up making cheese.
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it is getting muddled here!!!
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@Hadley´s Hope "I don't think the pacing fits an action movie at all. They keep stopping to have philosophical debates, and much of the horror is not very atmospheric. The c-section had a tense atmosphere, but most other parts not all that scary." Making breaks to converse about creation doesn´t make this movie less action paced. Lots of action movies occasionally break up the action events with conversation. Furthermore, describing the characters random dialogues on creation as philosophical debates is probably pushing it. I don´t really recall any long and profound, philosophic dialogue. And just because you don´t find the horror scenes atmospheric or scary, doesn´t make them qualify less as horror.
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@Hadley´s Hope "I said it was a mystery, I didn't say it justifies all missing explanations. If there are answers to be found, then that's fine. If they just leave stuff hanging just to dick us around, then that's not fine." Let´s refresh our dialogue: I asked: In what way does deliberately diverging in possible explanations make Prometheus a good movie? You answered: It's a mystery not a horror. Not everyone will like that. I disliked it on first viewing. Loved it 2nd time around, after the penny dropped. So, you must think that categorizing it as mystery justifies diverging in possible explanations, right? Otherwise your answer to my question doesn´t make much sense. And isn´t diverging in possible explanations and not explaining things basically the same?
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hadleys, sorry but if the plot of the movie is they got the wrong star system i will have no choice but to give it 0/10. Come on you think shaw will meet some engineers and they will say " ahhh you took a left past alpha centauri should have been right ! your not the first to make that mistake darn i told george to make that map clearer" that would be the worst plot ever.
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There are quite a few movies based on taking wrong turns. And no the Engineers will not shrug and say "get a better SatNav" they'll say "WTF are you doing here? When we want to see you we'll visit or send big grey Igor to fetch you". Visualizer... when I write the word "all" in a sentence, it is there deliberately. It's fine leaving some things up to our imagination, if the point of the film is to have the audience think about the possible meanings in terms of solving the mystery. It's not fine just to dick us about by leaving important things unexplained just because they couldn't be bothered coming up with anything.
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if your saying when i go watch prometheus 2 it will tell me what i saw in the first movie was actually a load of misdirection and bs i will start going into negative numbers and send ridley hate mail
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@Hadley´s Hope "Visualizer... when I write the word "all" in a sentence, it is there deliberately. It's fine leaving some things up to our imagination, if the point of the film is to have the audience think about the possible meanings in terms of solving the mystery." Doesn´t make much of a difference whether you put "all" in your sentence or not. Your defense for the movie diverging in possible explanations (which was your own expression, by the way) is describing Prometheus as a mystery, and that´s where I disagree. "It's not fine just to dick us about by leaving important things unexplained just because they couldn't be bothered coming up with anything." Why exactly do you think that this is not the case with Prometheus?
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I will end my activity on this thread by thanking its contributors for good dialogue and interesting feedback. I haven´t read any plot revelations or explanations that made the plot more sensible to me, and nothing has really convinced me, that the multiple missing explanations in Prometheus is a good thing. I absolutely embrace the possibility of other people understanding something in this movie, that I don´t. But so far, no one has enlightened me. Finally - I watched Prometheus for the second time today, and it didn´t change my first impression.
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I went into the movie expecting a prequel of Alien. It is not that. It is the same universe, but definetely not a direct prequel. I went into the movie expecting answers about Aliens, but it doesn't not give you that, it just leaves you with a lot of questions. So, yes.. I was expecting something entirely different. I felt a bit disapointed when it didn't go the way I wanted... but upon second viewing, and some thought about it.. I think that was the point of the film. It wasn't meant to answer questions, it was meant to make you question it more. So, indeed.. it was a mystery.

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