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Prometheus a heavy-handed cinematic indictment of germany?

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ok, saw prometheus. thank you, ridley, for at least nodding in the direction of alien(s). on the other hand, no thank you for having kubrick anxiety and injecting a rote social message into a completely innocent property. david (as in star of david) is a humorless, robotic blonde, obsessed with WWII movies, with instilled dreams of eugenics, complete with teutonicly tailored military garb and a fricking "eagle's nest" broach on EVERY OUTFIT . his creator is a doomed eccentric whose dogs lie on their backs for him (i.e. hitler's shepards). they face a motley international coalition (i.e normandy/north africa), including a [poorly done] black southern pilot [i.e. red tails]. meanwhile "david" has no interest besides his master and the other perfect aryan specimen, re: charlize, who uses flame to burn one half of the jewish-featured leads of the film, as the other half undergoes dr. mengele inspired experimentation. ridley, i know you're a 50/60-something brit and all, but i think we all kind of already know that germany was the bad guy. we don't need a ham-handed allegory in place of what should have been a proper, hard sci-fi prequel.
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ALEX JONES IS THAT YOU? lol
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
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what's with the crossed out stuff? is it showing up like that for you? i'm not doing it. *edit-- nm, figured it out.
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yes. Sometimes it happens. Edit your text and select "Underline" that de-select it.
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thanks =^]
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predator voice: "anytime..."
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I read this carefully before responding how I thought most appropriate.
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50/60?? Ridley's like 74, isn't he? Looks 10yrs younger though
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David as aryan-looking Hitler-youth boy..hmmm its a stereotype. actually his line " a superior species, without a doubt " might [i]somewhat[/i] remind of Hitler´s propaganda eugenic ´policy´ ..and of course any modern eugenic based on human resources is a picky theme, therefore animal experimentation.. Carpenters [i]village of the damned[/i] deals somewhat with similar looks IMO.. [img]http://img6.imagebanana.com/img/czb3zur2/village_of_the_damned_ctjn.jpg[/img]
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@Jim Sure does...whatever he's doing, he's doing it right, that's for sure.
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Oh great. Undertones relating to Germany. I suppose it's an inevitability when something of a grand scale is made in Hollywood (I'll say no more on this one; I don't want my image to be tainted), but honestly I couldn't find any of it in Prometheus. I know David was acted by a German dude, and I thought the Engineers had a sort of Aryan-ish appearance (despite lack of blonde hair & blue eyes, being very pale, and being very tall).....but I think I get Aryan physique & Greek/Aegean sculptural physique mixed up. Overall, I didn't see any such references of 1940's Germany in this movie. Maybe I didn't pay enough attention?
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[i]charlize, who uses flame to burn one half of the jewish-featured leads of the film,[/i] how do you come to that, Halloway is jewish?
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@jett, he's probably the type that stays young by constantly working, like Eastwood.
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Heil David8! Hahaha...
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Well I read what I could of the opening post of this thread (all of it, trying to understand as much as possible). One thing I will say is that, with all due respect, saying things like this are going to be picked up by many others, and suddenly lead to lots of "unwanted critical thinking". I suppose it's inevitable that a movie of such like Prometheus is going to open a lot of minds, but the notion of this movie harboring feelings reminiscent of the Third Reich is......well, to me, it's probably the trillionth occurrence. We see references to Hitler, Jews, anti-Semitism, the Holocaust, and Nazis all the time in media; Family Guy has a hard-on for making these references. The only reference I caught in Prometheus was when Fifield (or Milburn?) saw the pile of Engineer bodies and said it looked like something out of a Holocaust painting. I don't know if there was a legit purpose for throwing that in the script, but now that I saw this thread, I can't help but wonder. Until now I thought it was just dialogue expressed by the first thing that came to the guy's mind (Fifield or Milburn). I don't know if I want to go on giving my opinion of this matter. I will admit that my views are different when it comes to things pertaining to the Holocaust. Over time in recent years I have learned to stop being emotionally-biased over it, though in truth it's both a good and bad thing. Thing is that I am not an anti-Semite....or, to be precise, I don't hate Jews (Arabs are Semites, too). However, I do question Zionism, and that is apparently just enough to brand me as an anti-Semite, because that's how Zionism is trying to establish itself. Also I don't talk much about Zionism because a lot of it sounds like conspiracy theories; even the name "Zionism" sounds so fancy that it sounds like a conspiratorial title...
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@Jim The limitless supply of arm candy available to both of 'em couldn't hurt either....that's HollyWOOD for ya.
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yeah, they work hard and play hard that's for sure. Other than the hot wife, I think Ridley has a vineyard on the side
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This film makes you think.... that can a good thing if that thinking is productive and open minded, but I can see why someone would place labels on both the situations and the characters within the movie. I personally did not see any of what was mentioned in your opening discussion thread in the movie, but then I am more of an academic and ex-military, so my mindset moves in that direction of proper protocol and safety of the crew at hand. Politics and religion are always hot buttons for most people, and bringing similarities between National Socialism ideology and corporate space exploration was a new slant that I would never considered. This will be a lively thread, well done you have indeed opened Pandora's Box... [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p582/mr_lincolnlog/th_KnowYourXenosign-2.jpg[/img]
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@CrazyDave55811...well I am a JEW so I think yea, you are right you should STOP right there!
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A vineyard...now that's class. Classy and elegant, in a rich, yet understated way. Probably has a fine variety of yields, many examples including pinot noir, merlot, chardonnay, riesling.....riesling, wait....I feel...feel..a touch of Jeff Goldblum coming on...yes...yesssss..oh yeah, right! Ridley has a vineyard in which he grows riesling grapes which he loves..which are German grapes, but he wouldn't want them if they were as crappy as this drooling rant posing as thread and in keeping the little riesling buggers he clearly shows appreciation for what comes from Germany and by extrapolary theory...there is no anti Germanic bent from Ridley in regards to Prometheus. Wonder if Clint has a spread of grapes in Carmel Valley?
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Yeah stop right there CD..we were talking about this brainless, drooling rant( no offense intended pooter, just MHO) posing as a thread when we should be talking about Ridleys vineyard...now THAT'S class...classy and elegant, rich yes, but in an understated way. Wonder if Clints got one too?

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