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What the heck happened with Sir Ridley Scott?

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colonial soldier

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 7:13 AM
[url=http://www.huffingtonpost.com/howard-fineman/prometheus-bound-and-gagged_b_1610536.html]bound and gagged[/url] Prometheus Bound and Gagged WASHINGTON -- I didn't want to discard one of my only living heroes -- Ridley Scott -- but I had no choice after he crushed Charlize Theron with a giant flying turd. Actually, it's worse -- and less imaginative -- than that. In his preposterous, cynical movie, Prometheus, the brown turd in the sky is an alien spaceship full of poisonous glop. It is taking off from an alien planet for Earth when the good guys bring it down. The debris kills Theron, the ice queen villain and corporate shill who is probably an android but who cares because even if she is malware she looks terrific in her Spanks-tight onboard space wear. What the hell happened to Ridley Scott? I've been a reporter for forty years (thus, the few living heroes) and a science fiction fan for longer than that. I am religiously devoted to one of the greatest acts of cinematic imagination of all time, Scott's 1982 classic Blade Runner. He's made other great films as well -- Thelma and Louise and Gladiator being two of them -- and his company has shown class and taste in projects such as the CBS Television hit The Good Wife. Scott even made one of the best, and most influential, TV ads of all time, Apple's "1984" spot introducing the Macintosh computer to the world. So it was with great anticipation (and deliberate ignorance of the reviews) that I used three hours of vacation time today to see the 3D version of Prometheus at one of America's last great, old-fashioned, big theaters: the Uptown in DC. Sadly, it's the same theater in which I saw Blade Runner all those years ago. Little has changed, other than the popcorn tubs being twice as large. And Ridley Scott. Watching the movie, I decided that Scott himself must have been taken over by one of his alien creatures: a slimy one with the brains and breath of a greedy Hollywood schlockmeister whose only interest was in making a killing, selling popcorn and setting up a sequel. There is no other explanation. Scott was inhabited. Yes, as in his genuinely iconic films, there were nods to Scottian "Big Questions." In Gladiator, they concern the nature of heroism and leadership; in Blade Runner, they concern the blurring line between machine-made and human experience. This time, it was, "Where do we come from?" But the level of the discussion -- verbal and visual -- was so lazily and blandly presented as to be quickly lost as Scott resorted to livening things up with his old Alien shtick of snot-smeared tentacles bursting from bodies and inserting themselves into space helmets and bodily orifices. You quickly forget about, and never get an answer to, the question. It's not about "Where do we come from?" but "How do we get the fuck out of here!?" Maybe there was method in this mish-mash; you'll have to pay much more money and buy more popcorn to see sequels attempt a better answer. Scott is 74-years-old, but appears to be in good health, so it could be many more episodes before we get anywhere close to The Truth. I had at least hoped that the flick would be visually arresting. Scott can be the most intensively pictorial of directors. In hopes of being awed by his visually metaphorical skill, and his wondrous landscapes and set pieces, I was prepared to forgive him the stale plot, which is, roughly, that cave paintings discovered in the late 21st century give us a roadmap to the planet of our ancestors, where we realize that they long ago decided that we suck, hence the glop in the turd. But the spaceship and space "business" generally are derivative, right down to liquor the color of mouthwash, the scenery on the planet is as dull as rural Iceland (where it was filmed) and the cave of our ancestors looks like a basement full of discarded Halloween Batman suits. Oh, but wait: Our "engineer" ancestors who hid down there in the cave on that planet play the music of the spheres on an organ-like contraption that looks eerily like a giant, hard-plastic Whack-a-Mole! How cool is that? The Prometheus of Greek myth was the titan who stole fire -- and a love of science and the intellect -- from the gods of Olympus. If Ol' Pro' saw this eponymous film, he might keep the fire but give the rest back. Follow Howard Fineman on Twitter: www.twitter.com/howardfineman
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RSAND

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 7:24 AM
Hey Howard. Go make your own friggin' movie.

galacticnorth

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 7:31 AM
after 15 lines of this post i had to stop : - nothing is wrong with 'therons character' dieing like she did (its not Theron the superstar that is crushed but a character she plays). Deaths in Hollywood movies tend to be spectacular and overdramtic....this one is just gruesome and pointless like most deaths. Keyword: realism. - Therons character is not the movies villain...watch it again - The 'brown turd' is a HR Giger designed packed with psychosexual images and self-referencing. You might want to try that bit about 'imaginative' again, because obviously its wasted on you. -And then i couldnt be bothered to read anymore of this post.

Wintermute

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 8:01 AM
Howard Fineman is a hack. Here's my comment to his review: [i]Howard, you totally missed the (many) points of this film. First and foremost, it was about Weyland's arrogance, a dying man with virtually unlimited resources trying to cheat death. Second, it had great similarities to Blade Runner in the examination of David's character and interactions with humans (and Engineers). Third, the growth in Shaw from a romantic who has faith in ideals, to a hardened survivor determined to unravel why our apparent creators also appear intent on destroying us (not that the reasons would be all that hard to figure out). There are also hints at the theme that even these mighty Engineers might be undone by their own tools and guilty of the same kind of hubris that plagues us. As for the visuals, I found them breathtaking and so realistic that for two hours I felt I was THERE. Go see it again. And really open your mind this time. [/i]

Maiafay

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 8:02 AM
The guy's entitled to his own "opinion", but I do not share it. At all.

Graphix67

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 8:06 AM
[quote]Deaths in Hollywood movies tend to be spectacular and overdramtic....this one is just gruesome and pointless like most deaths. Keyword: realism.[/quote] Is "realism" running in a straight line away from a giant, falling horse-shoe shaped space ship? Dodging to her immediate left or right just might have saved her [i]"spanks-tight onboard space wear"[/i] sexy self. [i](And "yes", I know that flaming debris was raining down on either side but, I'm just being tongue-in-cheek... Just trying to lighten the mood here.)[/i]

galacticnorth

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 8:10 AM
dodging to her left or right? :) :) from her perspective a skyscraper is falling down on her....dodge to the left or right yourself :)

piston

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 8:12 AM
WOW! great review....its a bit harsh and you can feel the distain in his words..but lets face it its pretty accurate. i love this whole thing about how people loved it and hated it because...those who loved it....cant agree on the narrative and plot points...not once have i seen anywhere "yeah i loved this because ...so on and so on" to have some one else say "yeah i loved it because it said exactly the same to me...." they love it... and badger those who dont...but they cant agree on what its about...at least those who didnt like it seem to be coming up with better stories than the one we got...

PrivateHudson

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 9:17 AM
Another damned cynical critic bashing a man and outstanding director who they aren't even worthy of carrying water for!!!

piston

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 9:23 AM
private hudson...that may be so...but he says scott is a hero of his..... you telling me he didn't want to like this movie?.... he just saw it like it is....overblown distracting and dissapointing.....weep weep....i suppose im not thinking or missing everything too.....NOT!...

dopelganger

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 9:51 AM
After about 1 min of reading this i threw up in my mouth. This guy is a joke. If your so good why not make your own movie? Maybe all of 2 people will go see it and walk out after the opening credits. What a loser - ban this guy for life.
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Richie

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 10:00 AM
It comes down to point of view...It is as simple as that boys and girls...It would help if you view this movie like someones home movie...A rich guy spends his money on what he likes to do...There is nothing scientific or militaristic about this journey.It is not even well organized. Notraining or procdures. Make it up as you go is the theme of all the travleers...It just so happens that they find the greatest discovery the world could ever know....and dont literally know what to do about it....

Mr.Yutani (Detective Hudson)

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 10:07 AM
Guys let's not argue...Everyone has an opinion...

patchold

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 10:29 AM
Instead attacking the person look at the reasons for his post. That is the focus. How is the discussion presented? Was it far, unbiased, did it give real reasons why it was so negative, and most importantly did the topic really present the whole story or select parts that seemed to irritate him. I have watch this movie a number of times, and like Alien 3 I will grow to love it. Most critical to everyone in this forum, be thankful it was produced in the first place instead of Super Hero movie..

Inquisitor Tremayne

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 10:33 AM
i agree with Howard on this one and he hasn't even touched on a lot of the problems with the movie! i love Mr. Ridley's directing as well, but this is a shining flaming dog turd of a movie that pulls out before anything happens; perhaps to dodge a Shaw "like" abortion! let's face it - if Ridley announced today that he wasn't going to do prequels "at all" would everyone's opinion be the same, or would everyone rail against him for not answering the questions (that he said he was going to) in Prometheus???

Inquisitor Tremayne

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 10:37 AM
@ patch - i too enjoyed Alien 3, but i didn't have to grow to love it. it had a definitive beginning and end and lots of killing throughout. it did suffer from several script rewrites and some poor editing, but i'll give fincher a win, as it was his debut movie for directing! scott on the other hand really doesn't have an excuse!

Sundar

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 12:15 PM
@ Maiafay, and people who love the movie... ''Special snowflakes''... well, they think they are.

The High Priest

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 1:16 PM
What happened with Ridley Scott.....? Come on - I thought we had all established that. its called GLS "George Lucas Syndrome"

Sundar

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 1:31 PM
At least The Phantom Menace had one saving grace; Darth Maul !

The High Priest

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 2:33 PM
@sundar Yeah - agreed - but unfortunately he only got 5 minutes screen time! The most underused quality character in film history!! what a missed opportunity! Insane George fumbles and drops the ball again!

Inquisitor Tremayne

MemberOvomorphJun-20-2012 2:37 PM
RS suffers from GLS - agreed!

dallas!dallas!

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 2:45 AM
Now the lovers of this fi, this fi, this turd, have reached their most desperate point--the old, "You try and make a movie. How dare you criticize my idol, you're just a hack." Absolutely pathetic. Yeah, by those standards anyone who makes a movie is somehow a superior genius, which makes Michael Bay a legend for all time. Hey, let's apply that same line of argument to music . . . "You don't like Warrant? You try and make an album. You don't like BackStreet Boys? You're just a hack." Or novels. "Think Twilight is lame? You try and write a novel." Face it boys and girls, the movie sucks. Not Phantom Menace sucks, but sucks.

colonial soldier

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 2:51 AM
+1 million to dallas! and I think these fanboys are purposely seeing this movie again to help it raise money for a sequel; especially his friends from the UK. It goes to show how a support system can even help epic fails.

dallas!dallas!

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 2:57 AM
Colonial Soldier, I just posted on your 100 mil thread. I know a few fanboys who have said precisely what you have just said, with a gleam in their eyes. And will they have the balls to still bash Cameron's Aliens? I don't doubt it for a second.

Inquisitor Tremayne

MemberOvomorphJun-21-2012 2:29 PM
i think these fanboys are seeing it over and over because they're stupid!!! you give them too much credit!!!

Merc7

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 5:50 AM
You're right, and fanboys always say things like ''you're stupid'' without motivating why. I think most fanboys in this site are teenagers, judging by their vocabulary. Great article BTW

rubinis

MemberOvomorphJun-22-2012 2:16 PM
Oh the truth hurts! You nailed it. Thats why the "thinkers" trying to hurt you.
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