Proof that David8 has real emotion/humanity?

Heres is my view upon it: David 8 was built to mimic human emotions [as you can see in the David 8 Virals], and he is learning to mimic all kind of human behavior that helps him get along with his human counterparts. Also, at the same time, he is being told what to do by Weyland. The most interesting thing about David 8 to me is when he confeses that he consideres that everyone want's their parents dead. That is what he is used to see about Vicker's behavior towards Weyland and he deduces that to all humans. He also considers about freedom, though admitting that he doesn't understand what "wanting" is. Very curious programing that Robot has.

yeah, due to the fact he is made to mimic emotion, it's kind of hard to tell what is "mimicked" and what is "real" I thought that part was interesting too, thought it also drew interesting parallels with humans and thier "parent" engineers :P very curious indeed....

And it does wiffy. I mentioned it in my review. There seems to be two sub-narratives at play. One being the Father-Child dualism. [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7904]Sub-narratives[/url]

I think the element of synthetics experiencing emotions is echoed throughout the Alien Franchise... - Ash's urges when attacking Ripley - Bishops reluctance to enter the pipe in Aliens - Bishops plea to Ripley in Alien 3 - Calls disliking of herself and her compassion for mankind

Snorks: True. There are a lot of hints about them prefering to exist then being "sacrificed" for the greater good + Ash's sexual innuendo with the magazine [oral sex... anyone?...]

@ david- I agree with everything you said in that review. *high-five* :P @snork- very true, that's why i love all the androids so much ...wait...ash's sexual innuendo? i think i missed that in alien LOL you dirty, dirty perverts XD

The first scene on the ship shows DAVID eating and drinking while the crew is in cryo-suspension (He also watches a movie then dyes his hair to match one of the actors). Was he learning to mimic humans at this point or could he really enjoy (but not utilize) the meal? Not sure. But the Peter Weyland TED 2035 speech says "Weyland Industries has been making androids, indistinguishable from humans, since 2023" and that would be 4 years after Blade Runner. Maybe Weyland acquired the Tyrell Corporation after the death of Eldon Tyrell which would make DAVID more Replicant than android. Don't believe me? Go watch Leon sniff the cold eye at Chew's Eye Works then pull back his nose in a small double jerk; DAVID does the exact same move in the same direction and posture when he smells the sticky substance.

oh, so you think that blade runner and the alien franchise share the same universe? very interesting theory!

Well... Sir Ridley seemed to go through a period of his imaginative life when he considered A.I. and all about it. So, it isn't a stretch to consider that his points of view are the same in both movies

And thaks Wiffy... that was so sweet of you to say so! I wonder what you're up to.... < .<

can't believe I never thought of that XD my brain capacity isn't as large as yours.... and ROFL ROFL ROFL >u>

-.-" I just know that you are up to something... -.-" just can't point my finger at it.... -.-" ... not yet... O-O

*suspicious smile*

O-O I'LL BE WATCHING YOU!!! "Every breath you take Every move you make Every bond you break Every step you take I'll be watching you Every single day Every word you say Every game you play Every night you stay I'll be watching you"

including watching my dreams i guess? what a stalker :OOO

WHO TOLD YOU THAT? THEY HAVE NO PROOFS!!!!!! [hides the dream lurking helmet]

0_____0 remind me to never go to sleep with you around >_>

but dearest... androids only dream of electric Bobs

AHAHAHAHAHAHA great thing about being a sci-fi fan.... so many inside jokes XD

true. LOL. [img]http://t.qkme.me/36ct5f.jpg[/img]

i think you just made my day LOL.

Well when Weyland said he has no soul you see David's expression change slightly, to a small frown. Also, when Holloway says "Right, because you are not a real boy" (when David declines his offer of Champagne), his face also changes in the same way. I took that to mean David 100% feels emotion, because there is no way a regular robot would even flinch at those statements.

It would depend on what Ridley's view of the mechanism of developing AI is... for us, we have a "program" that generates a framework (and also perhaps guides 'archetype personalities') in which the connections formed by our brains based on our experieces results in who we are. It would depend on if David's mind even operates on such connections- the website kind of confirms this by refering to his number of neurons... although who knows if they come from the factory with predetermined connections or not. If not, or if there were just a certain level given from the factory, then they would develop slightly different from eachother. I, personally, believe that given the subtle hints in the movie that he does have some sort of machine emotion.

@svanya..... I really like your thinking :) @daniel machine emotion sounds like the best way to describe him

@maiafay OMG you just made that scene 10x more creepy XD never noticed that he was smiling while he was doing it 0__0

The hardening of his face when Weyland claims David doesn't have a soul is a key indication that David does have emotions - or the machine equivalent. The irritation every time Holloway opens his mouth is also suspect. And I think David only looked at Elizabeth's dreams. Through his visor, you can see him smile when he interfaces, as if he can't wait to peek in her head. It's creepy and sweet.

LOL, you have to really look closely during that scene. I only caught it my second time around.

I think Bishop and call were totally unbelivable as robots .... Ash was more realistic and David even more . BTW i think are totally different from the replicants of Bladerunner

to be honest, androids of David 8's sophisticated beyond the confines that were initially created. The creator often loses control and the unexpected will occur. David 8 is indeed an evolving artificial person. I watched very closely his questions to the crew and his reactions that went was beyond mere acknowledgement... Great topic. [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p582/mr_lincolnlog/Weyland-yutani.jpg[/img]

Not only do I think DAVID might be a Replicant, I think Meredith Vickers is one as well. While it is true that she called Peter Weyland "father", Weyland looks 100 which means he must have fathered her around 70. But she may be no more a daughter to him than David is a son ("or the closest thing I've got to a son"). She seems to want nothing to do with humans until the captain asks her "are you an Android?" causing her to reply "meet me in my room in 10 minutes" almost as if she is trying to conceal the fact.

wow, if vickers is a robot i'll eat my hat. i mean, i thought b4 the movie came out that she was... but after watching the movie i doubt it. too much emotion.

i can't remember what interview it is, but RS calls David a Replicant...

oh yeah, there is also the seen when he is talking to charlie at the pool table, and charlie says "well its good you can't be disappointed" or something to that affect. David's expression changes as if he is peeved off at this statement, then immediately as charlie is eagerly awaiting the pool ball to return to him from bouncing off the table bumpers, david stops it and grabs it. in doing so "disappoints" charlie by interfering with his little pool ball game... :o) "spiteful" dont ya think???

LOL he does act like a little spoilt child at time ;)

I vaguely recall that Ridley did say something in the 80`s about Blade Runner being the world that the crew of the Nostromo had left behind. There is the obvious use of the Environ/Purge monitor used in both films, Gafs spinner has this and it is also seen on the Nostromo flight deck. Maybe that was just Ridley liking the effect though rather than a link between the two worlds.