The Weyland story

it is all just dumb prometheus stuff - good luck finding out here. everyone knows exactly what the intentions were, are, and will be at this site. they've puzzled it together, they've read between the lines, in fact a few may not go to prometheodise for anything more than the visuals, because the story is so perfectly laid out in this first installment. stay tuned - answers ensue! wait guys! don't get me wrong; i love the first 3 alien movies and wanted to like this one, but just can't! he's new; he must be saved!!!

First 2 alien movies were good. aliens 3 and resurrection was meh... slasher flicks for the sake of it.

Where is it show that the Engineers [i]"can use their DNA to make more of themselves"[/i]? Don't believe we saw anything on the creation of the Engineers. Sure, the sacrifice seemed to spark life on earth but not Engineer life. Close but not exactly.

i'm not sure if I think Weyland had prior knowledge or not. I do like the idea that David had already been to the planet as it explains a lot. This is good food for thought and think about it I must.

I think David acted largely on his own in infecting Halloway. He definitely got some ideas or at least his curiosity tweaked from the engineer glyphs/writing.

First – Great analogy on this subject. I think the way this story was put together it was intentionally left to allow the viewer to make his/her own assumptions and/or theories. That said I will give you mine on the subject matter: I don’t think the Goo in the chamber was the same as the Goo used by the engineer in the first scene of the movie. Why? I just don’t. The chamber Goo was in a climate controlled room and once exposed it began to break down or oozing. I think this chamber Goo is what caused the demise of the Engineers on site. It is a bio weapon of sorts used to infect/inject into an environment and react in whatever way with the elements it gets exposed to. So what I am saying is this Goo would act differently with humans and Engineers or centipedes crawling on the floor of the chamber. Weyland: I think that is a story on its own in several levels. Knowing how Weyland industries has been painted over the series of movies, this is a Weapons manufacture first and whatever comes second. I think Weyland believes he was in control of David and Vickers also thought she was in control of David and the mission. But David was actually answering to a much higher power than all. Who you ask? That one person or persons waiting in the wings back on earth. I think David was experiencing that conflict we know caused the demise of the Nostomo crew. All crew expendable! You mention that the Engineers have nothing immortal about them. This could be true or not. We really do not know how long they live and I tend to agree with you after seeing the cut stills of an elder with the sacrificial engineer that was removed from the opening scene. This photo was also in the hard cover book about the movie. What makes tis movie unique is that Ridley once again has people talking about a movie and will continue to talk until we hopefully get answers in a sequel.

You said it @dopelganger, people will continue to talk about this film until the sequel comes out. I am beginning to think that Ridley knew what he was doing when he installed Lindedorf as head writer. Mr. Scott is not a fool. For him to pick Lindedorf as a writer means that he studied the man's past work. He had to of known that Lindedorf ended the Lost series with many, many questiones unanswered. So he knew that this film would create an uproar between the Alien fans. So that we would go and see the sequel when it came out. I also would like to say that all of those people who did not like the movie, or hated it , or having been bashing it ever since it came out. They all sooner or later will go to the theatre and see the sequel. They more then anybody want there questions answered. Also I forgot who on this site said it, but I agree and think that Ridley filmed part of the sequel already. While he was filming Prometheous. Like I have always said it does not matter if the critique is good or bad. It's critique in general. Which could only mean publicity, which is what Ridley likes and is now receiving for this fine film.

M41A - - very interesting!!! From his Ted talk - (Viral video - pre talk, psyching himself up for his speech, a quote from Neitzsche's "Thus spake Zarathustra") "I am a law only for my kind, I am no law for all." (then in the talk, he gives a brief description of the Gods punishment of Prometheus for giving man fire) Then, a paraphrase of the end of his talk... (would use brackets but not sure if the board allows) """. . . We can create cybernetic individuals, in just a few short years, that will be completely indistinguishable from us, which leads to an obvious conclusion... We are the Gods now . . . My ambition is unlimited.. i will settle for nothing short of greatness, or I will die trying. My name is Peter Weyland, and if you will indulge me, I'd like to change the world. """ Right, so, lets go with your idea M41A.. ... he wants the goo. What for? We know the Engineers were terraforming (the cave in the Pyramid has breathable air) We know Weyland had a colony on Mars (we see it in the film) We know Weyland-Yutani is later interested in Terraforming.. in the Aliens film the base they are going to has an "atmosphere processor", that coincidentally has a 'pyramidal' shape to it. So ... to speculate wildly..... perhaps his desire for the 'goo' has something to do with terraforming other planets?? Not only does he want to create 'cybernetic individuals', he also wants to create entire planets?

[u]2. I think Weyland has knowledge of these facts prior to his one way trip. “Sometimes to create, one must first destroy," David says before slipping that jerkoff scientist the ultimate micky.[/u] That;s incorrect. He says that to Shaw, when she asks what the Space jockeys mission is. Weyland already has billions, and he is a maker of life, and new worlds. He has a god complex, but is missing the immortality. That is what he is most interested in. Some of us are assuming he is like Carter Burke from Aliens, but he may not be quite the nasty slime that Burke is. He may have bigger ego issues. I don't see any evidence that David or Weyland had prior knowledge of what they would find. Weyand jumped on Shaw's theory because he is dying, and grasping at hope of extending his life. He does not know that the Space Jockeys live so long because of stasis pods. He thinks that they can grant him immortality. And he doesn't seem to lose faith in this even when he sees their stasis pods which aren't all that novel an idea, compared to the ones his own company makes (although the biomechanical connections are different.) David does know more than he says, but that's because he learns quickly and has read all the hieroglyphs in the tunnels. Notice how he never explains any of them to the rest of the crew. As for Weyland Yutani being first and foremost a weapons company this is not shown in Prometheus. They make money from largely civilian tech. Terraforming, building colonies, med pods, and androids. Alien is 30 years after his death, and Carter Burke almost a century later... so the character of the company could have shifted considerably, which would be understandable, once these small colonies become large outposts with big budgets for security and the potential for fighting over resources grows. For all his flaws, Weyland did have a vision that changed the world, and our corner of the galaxy. Later corporate types like van Luwen are not visionaries, they do the usual thing of selling what makes money. Tugs, weapons... but transport and warfare are not novel. Medpods, androids, FTL travel, and atmosphere processing, those are not simply better mousetraps... they are totally new directions. Weyland himself, although a creepy old jerk, may not be quite as big a jerk as people assume. Even the perceived insult of not mentioning his daughter during the briefing, as she stands there unacknowledged while David is singled out, and Shaw and Holloway are put in charge, may be unintended. We find out later that Weyland was not sure that Vickers would even turn up. IF you listen, the dialogue has double meaning, that he didn't think she'd see him off on his way to the Dome, and that she wasn't prepared to stay on Earth. Perhaps he had her quarters decorated with a chandelier and bar just in case.? Weyland may have little regard for the crew, and they may be expendable, but he may not have explicitly ordered David to harm anyone. David may have simply found his own solution to that, and when Holloway basically says he'd do anything for answers, David takes that as a green light for his experiment. It certainly does give some answers. This black goo is not the elixir of eternal life.

Good stuff @ Hadleys Hope!

Im buying what [i]hadley's hope[/i] is selling. Well thought out post.

To Inquisitor Tremayne, Sky, Engineering, Shane Brady, dopelganger, Rubirosa, donb, Hadley's Hope, and joeyjoe ..... Thank you for reading, sharing and educating. I'm going to se it again (#3) because I think I can make a case about something Hadley's Hope shared. Engineering said that there was no evidence that the space Jockeys cloned their DNA but I would say that there is, respectfully. We know that human DNA and Space Jockey DNA is a match. We also know that the male Space Jockeys all look identical. We have yet to see a female Space Jockey. Until proven wrong, it is not a stretch to suggest that the Space Jockeys have cloned themselves. due to a failure to reproduce organically. Or its just my way of saying I want to see a female Space Jockey :-) I agree with you dopelganger about the goo. Yeah... I just reread your post and I completely agree. To donb, you are just scratching the surface. Rubirosa #agree Hey Hadley's Hope, when was the actually statement made? Before goo ingestion or after? Either way, I think it's a profound statement to the universal idea that Weyland/industries projects throught each movie. I dont think Weyland is like Burke at all. I think there is something to admire about Weyland because of what I believe he really knows about the Space Jockeys, the goo, the xenos, et al.

(Cont.) Even if Weyland doesnt know everything, he is the reason why any of these missions have taken place. I find it amazing that his ideal has been a constant throughout each significant movie. Whether it be the ruthless tycoon who needs more power to add on to his already powerful power (I just felt like going on a power tangent, sorry) or his quest to answer a question we dare not even ask. His company moves on this premis always. David speaks for Weyland. Every android speaks for Weyland. Humans have their own agenda and will change their minds when a conflicting belief becomes priority. David finds a way to incorporate your human belief into Weylands ideal. Weyland is awesome (kinda)

Why does Weyland think that the Space Jockeys are immortal? Clearly from the movie they are mortal..just check their body count. Just because the SJs visited earth a few(or many) times..doesn't mean they are immortal..but they could space travel years/eons before man.. The Space Jockey's lifetime could be more..or less..than humans.

To answer Indy John, I base my theory of Weylands wants on a combination of a few things. 1) Weyland's ego 2) The Alien mythology as it pertains to what Weland Industries does 3) What David said to the Space Jockeys (in their own language) on behalf of Weyland Everything Weyland does pretty much falls within the definition of Immortal when you think about it. What Weyland thought or anyone thought was incorrect as the movies all play out.

@M41A SLINGSHOT you can learn more about Weyland and his timeline and developments at http://www.projectprometheus.com/genesis might provide some insight

Just saw it again....