LV223 or LV426, which came first?

and awesome examples BigDave just awesome

Wow! When I viewed Alien way back when, I was intrigued by the few unanswered questions. Such as: 1. Who is (or was) the guy in the chair? 2. Where did he come from? And at what point during his impregnation did he realize that he was going to die and send a warning- later perverted by Weyland-Yutani as a "Distress Signal"? 3. Were all those eggs in his spacecraft the product of what happened to him after his death? These were the questions I asked and talked about with friends BACK THEN. I also remember wondering (question #4?) what connection any of this had to the rest of that film. Certainly the evidence seen during Kane, Lambert and Dallas' ill-fated excursion didn't repeat itself on the Nostromo. In the original Alien, events on LV-426 were left a dead end. That was OK back then. Now throw "Prometheus" into those exact same questions! It seems to me that only ONE of the original questions was really answered in this one: "Who was the guy in the chair?" But Prometheus' answer; instead of solving the mystery, only brought out a ton of other questions. Uhg!! The Prometheus film is so messed up with countless questions about it's own story, that it failed miserably at answering almost anything at all in the original IMHO. The idea of it being any sort of "Prequel" is substantiated only by the supposition that it is the same universe- in that there are similarities. But all of the new questions concerning what we (the audience) have now been shown in Prometheus completely fragments (endlessly multiplies) the four questions from the original... So now, I really DO care about how and why the Space Jockey got "impregnated". I really DO care what happened to him that made him send a warning. I sure hope that the next film (if there is one?) can actually answer all of it- and won't take thirty years to come out.

@aircraftfixer Yep thats were the majority of people are including myself - least the ones that aren't blindly loving this film for it being alien / ridley scott linked...But we are hoping thats its all part of a clever plan and it'll all be awesome in its completeness one day :P

never appeared in the film....lol. & you are referring to a photo in a book of The Giger Mural and in the Mural from the film all there are is a bunch of whirly lines...PERIOD. edit : the best part is you did not read the post. If you had you would have realized how incorrect the post you just made is!

that's better.

Ah, Spartacus! I see how you got to almost 6,000 posts. I'm sure that on the way to that figure you treated many other members in the same way that you did [u]genjitsu17[/u]. How lovely!

yes I agree you do, but when you see the film it goes by so fast it has absolutely NO SIGNIFICANCE IN IT and again you also apparently did not read what I wrote because I said I am willing to accept if it is there IN THE MURAL ITSELF and said so several times, but IN the FILM it has NO Meaning it is an outgrowth of a piece of art used in the film and you are blurring the line between art ant film by raising it;s significance just because it appears in the actually designed mural. also, as a MOD I am very hopeful you are going to address the PM I am now sending you.

[u]sparatacus[/u]: You wrote: "HERE IS THE IMAGE WE ARE REFERRING TO" The image that you linked in your post is [u][i]the same[/i][/u] image located on page 116 of the art book. You also wrote: “and THIS IS THE KIND OF COMMENT THAT HAS ME VERY VERY DISTURBED, FOR A lONG TIME NOW, AND I HAVE BEEN CHECKING THIS EACH AND EVERY DAY BECAUSE in my feeble stupid little mind IT JUST IS NOT TRUE AND IS MADE UP and a FANTASY...AND JUST FLAT OUT WRONG...AND I HAVE now CONFiRMED IT !!!” In your earlier post you did not write "HERE IS THE IMAGE WE ARE REFERRING TO. HOWEVER, FOR THE SAKE OF THIS DISCUSSION/THREAD I WANT TO MAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT NOT ALL OF THE DETAILS OF THE BELOW LINKED IMAGE MADE IT INTO THE THEATRICAL REALEASE OF "PROMETHEUS". THEREFORE, IN MY MIND AND POSTS I REJECT ANY AND ALL THEORIES THAT ARE PUT FORTH BY ANY OTHER FANS/CRITICS OF “PROMETHEUS” THAT RELATE TO THE SUPPOSED PRESENCE OF FACEHUGGERS IN THE BELOW LINKED IMAGE.” You made a mistake in you earlier post and in the process you harangued another member via your tirade. If it were me I'd just say "Oops! My bad. Sorry." It really ain't that complicated.

Continue with the discussion and the topic in hand people or the thread gets locked!

Many people on here keep suggesting that the Derilict Space Jockey is mummified well I wish people could get this right as being mummified thus is a form of mummification which, in turn, is a process that can only be done with 'others' present as it is a form of embalming. A Process that can only be achieved with others doing the wrapping up process of the body which is why Dallas says fossilized about the Alien in the chair. Hence, he is deferring to his common human sense reasoning, it clearly looks exposed to the elements and not wrapped up in anything so therefore, by that very reckoning the creature is not mummified. That would imply that others stood by and watched why what ever fate befell the Space Jockey and did nothing to help. A sacraficial act maybe? That would justify mummification. As I read it the being looks exposed, EXPOSED, left out in the open to the elements, not embalmed, mummified, THAT reasoning would imply being PROTECTED from them, he clearly is NOT. The happy middle groungd here could be that the entire ship was either in flight in space and open to vacum and the breaching of his suit occurred and he shrivled up in time due to exposure to all sorts of nasty reactions from space. Or, he eded up inside the harsh, almost equally bad atmosperic reactions and bad elements due to his Bio Seat Suit being breached that way instead and the exposure to those particular elements on LV 426 were very harsh and acted in an acccelorated kind of way. I'm offering that it is possible that the crash and effects could have happened to the Derilict afetr the events on LV 223 in Prometheus but I would say simultaneously that the effects upon his body would be faster most likely. The ravages of vacum of space or bad atmospherics could have played some part either before or after the events of Prometheus. I would like to go with the idea that it lay dormant there for perhaps centuries and centuries, it has more impactful resonance when you ponder how long it has been sitting there and what callamity had befallen it. It gives the whole mythology of the developing story line/arc much more mytery and dreaded depth. Imaging if the Nostromo was the ship that had been found, knowing what we know about the events of Alien and a fossilized alien ship is found embedded inside the rockface of an alien planet and a bunch of future explorers happen upon it just like near the end of A.I: Artificila Intelligence where the visiting alien archeologists-life forms to Earth find our former civilization entombed within thousands of kilometers of a new ice age.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/OetzitheIceman02.jpg/300px-OetzitheIceman02.jpg[/img] This is a picture of Otzi the iceman, a man who lived about 3,300 BCE, who was naturally mummified inside a glacier.... [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1e/OetzitheIceman-glacier-199109a.jpg/250px-OetzitheIceman-glacier-199109a.jpg[/img] Mummification does not always require the act of embalming.

Holly cow, look at all the effort your thread has produced. Fantastic... I really like lively threads... so here it goes. What came first the deacon xeno or our alien from the first movie? Who knows... and who cares. This is a piece of fiction and not based on any facts. The xeno and the aliens could have been created at the dame time, for different methods of delivery... I like the Black Ooze better, it just attacks all organisms, mutates them... and then the resultant mutated creature is off on a killing spree... simple, clean, and no need to facehug and all the mess.

I DONT Care Bear [img]http://msn.mess.be/data/media/18/weedybear.png[/img]

Yes they could have been exposed to facehuggers as depicted upon the murial but it was possibly due to being under controlled conditions and was never in any grand threat to the wider planetary systems and beyond stretching off towards Earth. As with regards to the depictions of the 'humanoid sacraficial indivuduals' upon the murial they could just be low ranking members of the Bio Enginneers culture and were deemed expendable and being that both their faces are partially covered by the 'leaping' facehuggers then it is not absolutely clear whether they are Humans or Engineers - and smaller engineers at that. And not every cave art painting we have seen depicted on Earth was always to scale as wth the work of artists through the years, some works look almost immaturely out of proportion as a child would do. There is also no reason to assume, as yet anyway, that the two leaping facehuggers and the two humanoid-looking scaraficial individuals are drawn to scale. It may have been their cultures version of abstract expressionism, as is the case at times, more often than not with Giger.

@Spartacus; There is a depiction of the original facehugger attached to a victim in the mural. However, I THINK it is just artistic expression by the art dept. people. They are based on Gigers original "Turkey burster" design. This is what people mean when they say there are facehuggers on the mural. This is an awesome link on the subject by a member called Mr. J Click-->[url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7371]Alien Life cycle and Original Facehugger on Mural[/url] Here are the images: [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/2rei7tf.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/2s79nqg.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i49.tinypic.com/20rmouu.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/2nhjgxu.jpg[/IMG]

Alright Snorkelbottom, when it comes to that of the Iceman I am prepared to conceed a little. But again, it was a process for him being surronded by something, in his case a substance - Ice in this case. So you have to conceed a little that for your hypothosis to work on that of the Space Jockey he himself would had to have been surrounded by something, a substance, an embalming process, purhaps in some freak of nature event his own suit in a perverted kind of way 'mummified him' on the spot. So There is two ways your hypothosis can go. Maybe the atmospheric pressures for some bizzar reason on LV 426 can do weird things to life forms bodies, I don't know.

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummification]Mummies[/url] Look up the section [b]Natural Mummification[/b] In Alien Ash said the planetoid was "deep cold", that's all it needs!

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there is a face there yes...

Yes I am more than aware of the processes! And they found one entirely in ice - no peat gravel around it. Also part of the problem is that many fossils take a looooong time to form and ice ages and heat ages come and go relatively shortly in comparison this is why it is a complex and rare subject that they form in ice - but it is possible - the ice is surrounding - liquid carries the minerals etc. etc. . Also imagine other situations - inside commets or other worlds were conditions are very different - maybe millions or billions of years of ice staying formed...anyway yes never mind :P ...I guess these tangents fire off from lack of info from this film - hurry up and give us more please :P ...