What if the murial is not depicting events 2000 + years ago but is in fact a pro
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HyperNova
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 5:06 AMI have mentioned this before in a seperat thread about the Deacon but felt this idea could stand alone and be tested through the riggors of debate so I would appeal to the admin staff of the site for a little lattitude in this matter.
One other thing tht they may be trying to do with the murial is that as Mayan cultures and Astecs, Incas and the Anasazi have all done it could be the rendition of some kind of prophecy. Maybe that is where Ridley Scott is going with the murial design, all things depicted have not happened yet but are a prediction, a foresight of what is going to happen. So then the question is: Well how do they see into the future as the Mayans are supposed to have done to have any kind of incling of what they think is going to happen in 2012 on December 21st? Just Seuth Seers. So the idea that this culture for what ever reason made these designs 'saw' the future and predicted the images that we see on the wall and they are interpreting everything that has currently happened within the Alien canon and timeline.
You may have to take a leap of faith and just accept that where this is going is nothing happened as was supposedly depicted upon the murial 2000 + years ago but was fortold and they were seeing what Ripley, Kane, the crew of the Nostromo, the colonists on LV-426/Ancheron, Alien 3 and Ressurection and now the events leading up to that timeline with Prometheus. They had the ability to see into the future. So now your probably wondering: Oh no! We've certainly seen that idea done before and not sure whether that is the explenation so you are probably saying as well: How can they see into the future? And my response to the hypothetical question I might add, I am not committed to this notion I am merely suggesting it's plot explaining potential, they somehow have technology to see into the future.
Perhaps have been to the future, have timetravelled or as is the case when they activate the Pilot Room Chair mechanisms the holograms of the spacial grid of that quadrant of space the Engineers have already visited appeared. That similar technology could be how a group of Elders or Elder Monks or Elder Profits in this culture see into the future. Perhaps there as with ours a cultral intellectual battle going on with the Bio Engineers and the Elders. One camp hell-bent upon the rigorus pursuit of 'scientific' experimentation and bio-engineering in pursuit of perfection of the body, the outer-concience where the Elders may be of the spiritual and pursuit of moral quality of within. They, as we on Earth, have had this raging debate going on for millemia + and it shows that we are not so alien nor are they as we would at first like to think.
I don't think this is actually 'The' answer to solve the murial mystery but I have to offer it as a point of view to see if it measures up to the riggors of debate and scrutiny. I thought of it and therefore have to be open enough to see if it would be an option for consideration.
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Crabfart
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 5:44 AMAs with all the theories this film is so wide open yes its possible - we just have to wait see. Would be nice if theres some kind of battle between fate / destiny / free will if it were time travel or knowing the future.
I got another interesting theory ill post it up soon as i got time...

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 6:16 AMNice thread @HyperNova. A lot of what you just said makes alot of sense. Why should we think that the Engineers dont also debate spiritual questions like humans do. Just like we might have the same DNA. They also may have those spiritual questions that we also want answered. They may be technologicaly advanced. But when it comes to spiritual issues both camps may want the same questions answered. Do they also question if there is an ultimate over seeing creator. Maybe that is what they live for. To find out if there is a creater, and who this creater is. Maybe by them terraforming planets they are giving a sacrifice to the omnipotent god. They are showing a good will towards him so that he can reveal himself to them. There are so many questions we all want anwsered about the movie. We forget that the movie really is about a group of humans who want there own questions anwsered.

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 6:46 AMI think that the ultimate question that Ridley wants you to ask yourself after watching Prometheous is-- Did God create man. Or did man create God. I think that, that is what this movie is all about. I may be wrong, but that is my take on the underlying substance of Prometheous.

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 7:06 AMThis movie I might add is becoming more than a science-fiction film. It is becoming a debate about creation. The ultimate question which we all have asked ourselves one time or another. It is not about religion. I dont want you who are reading this to think that I am preaching some religious doctrine. I think that this falls nicely into what @HyperNova is talking about. The mural on the wall is so important to the film. I think that the Engineers are searching for the exact same thing humans are searching for. You have to remember that we do have the same DNA. Through the observation of the film, and through speculation we have come to believe that the Engineers terraform planets. If they do, why are they doing this? Have they been told to do this? Or do they do it as a gift to some being or race of aliens who are more intelligent, or even wiser then them. Do they wish to reach the next level of consciousness or spritituality? This movie is awesome, because it expands your mind if you pay good attention to it. It is a movie that has to be seen over and over again. The clues are in items like the mural. The same mural @HyperNova is talking about.

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJul-05-2012 7:14 AMI agree the movie poses many deep questions but my take is that the film infers that the Engineers did in fact Engineer us (semi-directly) but the question remains as to why, for what purpose, and why change their mind and intend to wipe us out...
In the scene where Shaw is screaming her questions at the Engineer, it is her questions we want answered, not Weylands. Something I feel will be one of the main driving forces in the sequels plot - having found our creators, and having found them to not be what we were expecting, we know want to know why?
A question most of us would ask God himself should they exist.

Crabfart
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 8:25 AMYep the film was one big why with almost no answers :D .
It is so open that we dont even know for sure if they were gonna wipe us out or improve us or teach us etc. etc. :S ! There could also be 2 factions one hates one like us etc. etc. I mean why then did they change there minds - shaws notes + other bits have engineers visiting earth up to 1000 years ago after the event!

MVMNT
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 9:21 AMIt's a good theory.
not forgetting that the "invitations" are all gathered in the forms of murals and tablets etc... maybe they're echoing one another?

David 1
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 10:20 AMExcelent Post HyperNova.
Keep up the goodies.
[b]Ask nothing from no one. Demand nothing from no one. Expect nothing from no one.[/b]
aircraftfixer
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 10:16 AM"... but was fortold and they were seeing what Ripley, Kane, the crew of the Nostromo, the colonists on LV-426/Ancheron, Alien 3 and Resurrection and now the events leading up to that timeline with Prometheus."
If the mural depicts a prophecy, and all of the things in the mural come to be by way of the franchise's film sequels etc, what does the mural say to the viewer of Prometheus? Perhaps: "All the other film plots were predicted- and you have seen them if you have viewed the other films."
OK, leap of faith. But I don't get it? I don't know what is meant by showing a prophecy of things that we know (have seen) that have already happened. If Prometheus's cast came to LV-223 and having seen the mural- and somewhere in the story (or even later in a sequel) intuited that it predicts the events that we (the audience) know will happen in the future, how does this add to the story/affect the story that Prometheus tells?

RobJM
MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 10:32 AMi really need to see this again..
but didn't the mural change?
Maybe the mural is interactive , didn't it start with biblical type images ,as of 2000 years ago, then change to the alien etc after being 'infected' by the arrival of the Prometheus crew.
or maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly...

Gavin
MemberTrilobiteJul-05-2012 10:34 AMNo, the murals on the ceiling changed, but not the "carving" of the Xenomorph

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MemberOvomorphJul-05-2012 10:56 AMHere is an idea... as engineers and designers...etc. we all post our design ideas on our walls. What if the Engineer's culture did the same but wanted it to be more permanent and also (and this is the important aspect) religiously inspiring to all who worshiped there... just a thought. Great thread.

RobJM
MemberOvomorphJul-09-2012 2:05 PMProbably someone has posted this before,
but what if LV-223 is the Xeno's home planet? all those Xeno carvings etc are ancient Xeno stuff, and the Engineers had discovered it, possibly they were long extinct, and and maybe the Engineers starting experimenting with stuff they found.
Or maybe they were not extinct , but were accidentally awoken by the Engineers...
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