Maybe this theory makes sense? Just read it and think about it...

deftones1986

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I'm not trying to be a know-it-all or an a-hole, but certain people who are criticizing this movie need to just take a second, and think. The characters in this movie, had absolutely no idea what they where getting themselves into. Did we as an audience know what was gonna happen? Yes of course we did because most of us saw ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3 and ALIEN RESURRECTION Remember, the events of PROMETHEUS took place B E F O R E all those other movies..... There was no Ripley there to say to them "This is a bad idea, you better watch out for acid spitting, human impregnating, big black scary aliens and little scorpion face smothering creatures, oh and also watch out for any kind of android because they usually turn out to be evil and only do the dirty work for an evil corporation." By the way, what did all the characters in the other movies do when Ripley told them all this stuff? They just kept on doing what they wanted anyway until it was too late... Go ahead and re-watch those movies and you'll see the same stupid ass humans defying common sense... All the other characters where just there for paychecks, and thought that Holloway and Shaw where crazy besides Weyland, who was half asleep anyway, and he didn't give two shits about the expendable crew. He just wanted them to find what he was looking for, have David come tell him, and for all he cared they could all starve to death on Lv223..... Not to mention the crew wasn't told anything before they left about the possibility of finding the creators of humans being the reason they where going to sleep for 2 years. Weyland knew that if he just informed them to come along on a trip with guaranteed X amount of money, they would do it. If he said "Yeah we're gonna find aliens." I don't think anybody would care to go, but then again money will make you do some crazy shit won't it? So stupid characters or money hungry idiots hand-picked by Peter Weyland? You decide. He're a hint.....if you where in the future and you where told "Come on a trip and I'll pay you lots and lots of money because I own the most profitable company in existence." Would you hesitate ? If you did, and especially if you asked questions....Guess what? Mr. Weyland has decided to explore different candidates for this job, and is sorry to inform you that your expertise will no longer be needed, but thank you for your time. So please stop complaining about the characters doing this or not doing that... A - I remember Fifeild and Millburn being told to stay put until the storm passed. - They didn't listen. B - Vickers told Shaw and Holloway not to proceed any further until consulting her if they found what they came looking for. - They didn't listen. C - David was told not to open the door. - He didn't listen, because I'm about 90% sure Weyland told him to do whatever it takes, and screw the other members and what they say. D - Shaw told Holloway not to take his helmet off. - He didn't listen. E _ Fifeild told Millburn not to get all close to the Hammerpede - He didn't listen. F - The captian told everybody to just sit tight until morning when they first arrived, because night was closing in. - They didn't listen. Soooo Nobody really took charge, Vickers was too scared to even leave the ship, Weyland did not care whatsoever about the crew (he told his goons to shut Shaw up when they confronted the Engineer) nobody listened to anybody elses common sense suggestions, so guess what happened........ To sum up this movie as far as what the damn ship (PROMETHEUS) was doing there in the first place, just think about the obvious!!! - Weyland was told by Shaw that she knew where to find the creators of humans. - He believed all of this, didn't stop to think as to if the beings would even grant him immortality, or he didn't care because he was the all powerful Weyland. So he assembled a crew of people he could care less about, including David...don't believe the whole "he's the closest thing to a son I'll ever have." Yeah bullshit - David did all the experimenting, opening doors, etc....did Weyland care AT ALL that during the process that a bunch of people where infected and/ or died? NO!!! All he wanted when he found out there was an Engineer alive was for everybody to get the hell out of the way so he could get David to talk to it, and give him immortal life. Ridley Scott is trying to tell us something here and we all missed it by a mile, it's so simple..... We all need to stop and think about what we're doing, THINK before you ACT. 1 - Why did we create nuclear weapons? 2 - Why did the Engineers create the black goo bio-weapon? 1 - Because we could. 2 - Because they could. Did we ever stop and think that maybe something bad would happen if we messed around with atoms? Yes, but we humans did it anyway. Did the people who where involved with the creation of nuclear weapons listen to the people who told them it was a bad idea? No Did the Greek titan Prometheus listen when told not to give fire to humans? No The Engineers somehow wiped out their whole civilization with the black goo shit, and what is the biggest theory on how we're going to wipe out our own civilization? World War 3, which would include us nuking or being nuked and then just a domino effect, until ultimately the human race is wiped out, and something else emerges. "The eternal recurrence of the same." Play with fire and you get burned right?

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July 09, 2012

Yeah, keel making me think!

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July 05, 2012

impressive......

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July 05, 2012

Thank you.

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July 05, 2012

Quote: "[i]Ridley thought of doing this movie way back in 2003 (Check the Wiki) so I'm pretty sure he thought of just about everything, That is my own personal opinion.....you can still chose to deny it, it's a free country, but do these answers not hold up if you think about them? I'm sorry you don't see the movie this way because of whatever you "choose to believe" but myself and everybody else here are giving you all the answers.[/i]" @deftones1986; It isn't very clear whether it is anything more than an urban legend that Ridley wanted to make another Alien movie. Also, most of the stories claim it was James Cameron who was the one who wanted to make a sequel in the early 2000's and he approached Ridley to partner up with him, but when they learned AVP was being made they both decided they did not want to continue with the project. This is what I love about Art, no two people will ever see the same thing alike, it's very subjective. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and this is a forum for discussion. This movie has gotten people talking, wondering and asking questions about it and that is part of what makes it great. :) @ZMAN3494; I am so sorry you lost your text!! The site times out after awhile so please if you have typed something substantial make sure to either type it out on word or something similar or copy it so that you have a backup. :)

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July 05, 2012

OH MY GOD, I just wrote a HUGE reply and somehow it glitches up and signed me out when I hit Add reply. Maybe in awhile I will feel like writing it again (probably not) but anyways Great thread, I agree with you 100%

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July 05, 2012

I like your analysis. Personally, I think RS was communicating this: chasing immortality is a fruitless attempt, which could even lead to pain, suffering, and death (which cannot be avoided). All life must accept its temporariness. 1. Weyland, obviously, was chasing immortality. Result? Death to himself and nearly everyone around him. 2. Engineers, perhaps, were chasing immortality in their experimentation with the black goo, which was a substance that appeared to exhibit reality-defining traits. Perhaps the Engineers (or the race controlling the engineers) believed the secret to immortality rested in the secret of the black goo. The result? A gruesome death of the colony.. 3. The worship of the xenomorph, as depicted by the murals, may have been used to control the Engineers (or the human subjects taken to LV-223 by the Engineers when they visisted earth). This is RS saying: "Organized religion is used to maintain control of the subservient. With the promise of eternal life, organized religion effectively brainwashes those that are subject to it." The promise of immortality, in other words. The result? See #2.. 4. Shaw has true faith, she is not concerned with living forever on this earth. She is instead focused on the present, grateful for the life she has, and accepting of her inevitable death one day. Hence, she survives... 5. David... I don't even know where to begin with David. So many possibilities. He is not subject to death because he is not truly alive in the first place. Or is he? Perhaps he "becomes alive" (is gifted with the breath of life) at the end of the movie, when a) he no longer is following a mission and b) is confronted with the possibility of his demise. Thoughts?

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July 05, 2012

.......................Most Impressive...............I pray we as a race can get a grip on this whole thing we call.....Peace on Earth! cause there isn't any.......

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July 05, 2012

Like you said, Weyland didn't care at all about the crew, not even Shaw who he acted friendly towards and her findings were what spawned the expedition. Does anybody even remember when he said "Shoot her if she opens her mouth again" Also, everybody always says that its dumb how the characters behave, maybe that was intentional? Weyland did not hire the top people in each respective field as many suggest he would have. Weyland did not need to, their only purpose was to be test subjects for the black goo, to gain immortality for Weyland. I will write the rest later, now I am going to go eat and cry about wasting thirty minutes of my life writing a reply that is now nowhere to be found.

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July 05, 2012

I agree with you Jack Trigger 100% and my thought on David are he is just a pawn for the Weyland corporation. What better way to go out and try to achieve immortality than to bring along a nearly indestructible android who can do anything and everything you ask of him. Oh and by the way you can mass produce this android to make a big bank roll along the way. If he really wanted to create something close to a son, wouldn't it kinda look like him? And be unique? And maybe be named Peter Jr.? Nah....Weyland is just in it for the money and the all powerful information of the creators. He planned on stealing whatever he could from the Engineers but it simply backfired. The biggest surprise in the movie? The Engineer ripping Davids head off! Surprised Weyland, surprised Shaw, surprised US! Guess what Weyland you just screwed up what could have been a beautiful new beginning with our creators but you reassured them that humans are who they thought they where 2,000 years ago. They knew we where going to keep messing around with our own versions of "black goo" until we wiped ourselves out.......... So what happens when you KNOW you've made a mistake. You erase it and either try again or move on to something else right?

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July 05, 2012

I agree!

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July 05, 2012

@ ZMAN3494 Yes exactly. I don't know if you noticed that I edited my post and put almost exactly what you wrote in there, check the paragraph starting at : "So stupid characters or money hungry idiots hand-picked by Peter Weyland? You decide."

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July 05, 2012

Makes a lot of sense, especially when you recall that Sir Ridley has made quite a few movies in or set in the Middle East and has commented (‘Body of Lies’ features section if nowhere else) that it’s a place that has known no peace for thousands of years. So maybe, at 74, he’s saying what you’ve sketched out. As the song said, “When will they ever learn; when will they ever learn.” Answer: not until they're all dead. Which is what religion promises you: eternal life when you're dead.

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July 05, 2012

So you think RS waited decades to get back into sci-fi to teach us a moral lesson with the Alien saga? I disagree. Weyland only hand picked SOME of the participants, not all, as Vickers greets them with. The shamefully lame ones particularly (geo and bio) were recruited by whom and for what? These were Weyland's best? There to make money as geo puts it? How so? Some parts of this movie were not well thought out. Nonetheless, I thoroughly enjoyed it.

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July 05, 2012

@ AndroidsAreTrouble They where not Weylands "best". He wasn't trying to learn about rocks. He wanted to LIVE FOREVER. So he assembled people that would sign up, NOT ASK QUESTIONS, and Vickers got suspicious when she heard about this whole trip, and she invited HERSELF on the mission, possibly at the last minute before she could check out the crew, or assemble her own team, I mean come on the answer is there. - Weyland paid (through investors) to build the ship, and fly to the planet. - He wanted to bring Shaw because he "is a superstitious man" and wanted to bring along a "true believer." Just so happens Shaw wouldn't go without Holloway. - I repeat that he hand picked people who wouldn't ask questions and would just collect money because: THERE WHERE INVESTORS INVOLVED WITH FUNDING THE TRIP. - Sooo Weyland, being greedy, and instead of paying out of pocket for everything, lied about why he was going to the planet and got everybody else to INVEST in the trip. GUESS WHAT? He's a greedy asshole who only did everything he ever did for FAME! - If he lied about why he was going, then he would need to assemble a team of people who would fit in with his lie......"Yeah we're gonna terra-form this planet so I'm bringing along Mr. Fifeild, Mr. Millburn." you get the point now right? - But UH OH, his sneaky little daughter Vickers found out what he was doing, and with the investors in mind invited herself and whoever else she could, along for the ride." - When she found out what was really happening she didn't believe Shaw and just pretty much without being so obvious to the viewers (US) said "whatever, hurry the hell up so we can leave." Ridley thought of doing this movie way back in 2003 (Check the Wiki) so I'm pretty sure he thought of just about everything, That is my own personal opinion.....you can still chose to deny it, it's a free country, but do these answers not hold up if you think about them? I'm sorry you don't see the movie this way because of whatever you "choose to believe" but myself and everybody else here are giving you all the answers.

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July 05, 2012

Thanks you for the lengthy write up. Your points are pretty much on the mark. I knew from the beginning when I heard that Weyland was aboard the Prometheus, it was in pursuit of immorality and little else... I wrote several times "Crew Expendable" and made a joke of it, but the underlying truth played out for the unfortunately crew. "Money is power, men always seek more and more influence and nothing else... do not kid yourself in thinking that they are being selfless in other pursuits..."

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July 05, 2012

Wow! The a b c's of Prometheus. a. Fifield and Milburn got lost and toked a bowl - seriously? The guy mapping gets lost? b. I'll give you that one. c. You can have this one too; I don't believe anyone was really questioning David's motives. d. Holloway should've known not to take off his helmet and those that followed suit are guilty of stupidity as well. e. How can you not take up snake charming after you've toked a bowl? Makes sense - these are just scared characters acting as RS designed them. Pure genius.0 f. They had to open open their Christmas presents. F is also the grade I give dad Also, Shaw and Holloway weren't even necessary characters. Once they made the discovery all they really needed was David, so these characters are superfluous! Now - Vickers was smart. She didn't leave the ship, because she had a lot of idiots to do it for her. Once she found out things were bad - time to go! Smart; she would have been a much better protagonist than Shaw and would've made a great character transformation from the hitch to the heroine (Shaw dies during abortion perfect). Vickers has to save the crew now while dealing with her stupid genius dad. Now about all this nuclear stuff - fair enough - we get it! The thing - the problem - the nagging thing is bad story telling, poor pacing, and bad editing! Also, there's nothing genius about RS vision here, it piggy backs on Prometheus - not genius! We needed a better story telling; it isn't much to ask.

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July 05, 2012

@andoidsaretrouble - how can you thoroughly enjoy something that isn't well thought out? It is like saying this is the best steak in the world, but the cook didn't really think this dish through! How would you know, if you thoroughly enjoyed it?

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July 05, 2012

The point is not what happened to each character. Ridley could have used a billion metaphors. What is the thing most asked about from this movie? The black goo!!!!!!! Q: The black goo does what??? A: The black goo creates AND destroys life. Can we all agree on that? No matter what we ask or say, the constant about the movie is always that the black goo creates and destroys life. Yes? Okay so think of Earth right now....2012. Nuclear reactors, and nuclear power. Advantages of nuclear power generation: Nuclear power generation does emit relatively low amounts of carbon dioxide (CO2). The emissions of green house gases and therefore the contribution of nuclear power plants to global warming is therefore relatively little. This technology is readily available, it does not have to be developed first. It is possible to generate a high amount of electrical energy in one single plant. Disadvantages of nuclear power generation: The problem of radioactive waste is still an unsolved one. The waste from nuclear energy is extremely dangerous and it has to be carefully looked after for several thousand years (10'000 years according to United States Environmental Protection Agency standards). High risks: Despite a generally high security standard, accidents can still happen. It is technically impossible to build a plant with 100% security. A small probability of failure will always last. The consequences of an accident would be absolutely devastating both for human being as for the nature (see here , here or here ). The more nuclear power plants (and nuclear waste storage shelters) are built, the higher is the probability of a disastrous failure somewhere in the world. Nuclear power plants as well as nuclear waste could be preferred targets for terrorist attacks. No atomic energy plant in the world could withstand an attack similar to 9/11 in New York. Such a terrorist act would have catastrophic effects for the whole world. During the operation of nuclear power plants, radioactive waste is produced, which in turn can be used for the production of nuclear weapons. In addition, the same know-how used to design nuclear power plants can to a certain extent be used to build nuclear weapons (nuclear proliferation). Q: When did the Engineers learn that the BAD outweighed the GOOD when it came to the black goo? A: When it was too late. Q: Do we really know if the Engineers where comming to kill us, or possibly to teach us what not to do? A: We don't know....but that's my theory. From my point of view, the morale of the story is.....if we discover something that can do so much good but can wipe out an entire race if an accident where to happen, or if it came in to the wrong hands, is it really worth continuing? And yes that is a big deal because things like that are happening RIGHT NOW. Greedy companies are not going to stop doing dangerous things as long as they keep getting money in their pockets. This may be the story that Ridley wants to tell, because it's what he chooses to believe. Nuclear weapons are no joke and in my opinion, they're not something corny to make a movie about, even if it includes aliens. I actually like the idea. Hell I could be completely wrong though and the Engineers just wanted to stick facehuggers on us, and watch us all die, and Ridley and Lindelof or whatever his name is could have been high when they made the movie, and thought the Fifeild pot scene would be hilarious. But this is MY theory...........that's about all I gotta say, and if even a few people find it interesting, than thank you.

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July 05, 2012

@Deftones 1986: Point C: About David doing Weyland's dirty work: Remember the viral advert for the David 8. He clearly says that he can undertake tasks that humans would feel are "unethical". A clear indication that David was Weyland's agent provocateur and backing up your theory.

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July 05, 2012

Thank you Regular Parrot. All the answers are in the viral videos AND the movie. I mean geez come on lol. Everybody is complaining about the characters. If you study the info, you will find that in the context of this movies universe: - We have inhabited and terraformed, many many planets. So why is it a big deal that these crew members didn't ask questions or seem smart? I keep telling people, BECAUSE THEY WHERE IN IT FOR THE MONEY THINKING THAT THEY WHERE JUST DOING ANOTHER ROUTINE JOB!!! That's the answer plain and simple. - We have created extremely high-tech spacesuits Remember, the crew does NOT know about acid spitting deathly aliens, okay. Humans have mastered many planets spanning many light-years, so LV-223 is just another planet to terra-form and just so happens to have a cute snake thing right? Oh shit guess what, this planet just so happens to be the wrong planet to mess with, and your fancy spacesuit that's bulletproof won't help you now. _ In every single damn ALIEN movie, "The Company" is evil. It might as well have just been a Closed Caption stuck at the bottom of the movie the whole time. - I'll say it again, Weyland was greedy, so he got investors to INVEST in his company, so he hired a bunch of rejects to make his mission seem like a normal terra-forming trip. He got investors to pay for the ship, and the mission, because he was greedy!!!!! lol i don't know how many times I can say it. It explains the idiot crew 150% He Did Not Care What Happend To A n y b o d y!!! Peter Weyland just wanted and needed David to paint the picture (find the gift of immortality) so he could destroy David and sign his own damn name on it to make it look like it was him all along.

Maybe this theory makes sense? Just read it and think about it...

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