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MemberXenomorphAug-01-2012 10:53 AMSo What About Oxygen?
Thanks to freeplanet posting a thread regarding an interview by charlie rose with noomi rapace and michael fassbender i noticed rapace commenting on the effects of oxygen in the ampule room. This in was in 2 parts on youtube. Please watch from 2:27 to 3:55 in part two.
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I want to comment as follows about this:
1)
I cannot remember him saying oops in the movie I saw. Seemed to have opened the door deliberately and as quickly as possible. The expression on his face was everything but sorry. I believe he knew exactly what the writing on the walls were (or had a very good idea what it meant) and what the purpose of the room was.
2)
I cannot remember anybody coughing when the door opened in the movie.
3)
I cannot remember a cloud of white wisp rushing into the ampule room almost running the length of the room almost like a chemical reaction (obvious from Shaw’s statement) of some kind.
4)
Check at 3:50 (just before she speaks about the oxygen). She gives a very poignant look at Fassbender and check Fassbinder’s finger movements at roughly the same time almost as if he is pointing something out to her(I am being too analytical now I guess). Almost like she knows that she is not really supposed to talk about it and its effects. (Oxygen) (Or maybe that’s want they want us to think. This whole interview (or maybe only certain parts) has a slight reek of being staged???). I cannot help but to agree with Freeplanet that someone on this blog gives us the right info to keep us interested at the right time. From point 1 � 3 (if my assumption/memory serves me correctly) it seems there is material that we haven’t seen in the theatrical release. Maybe that will be in the dvd when it comes out? (Whenever that will be).
5)
Notes that Shaw was afraid that the changing atmosphere that effected the murals (why: is the murals alive or not made from stone but some kind of chemical substance?) Would cause the engineers head to be damaged and lessen the chances of getting as much correct info on the head as possible when they finally analyse it. That is why she vacuum packs the head in a plastic bag. So what? I could never understand why shaw was in such a hurry to get out of the ampule room. They did not know about the approaching storm and that is why she was in a hurry to get out of there.
6)
do you notice that the only thing that ford does is give facts and observations and questions? I believe you/me/we/us must pay very close attention to everything she says. Ridley is using her to give us very subtle clues about what is going on. Is it an accident that she tells us the makeup of the atmosphere? Lindelof says that everything Ridley puts in the movie is there for a reason and you must read between the lines to see what is going on. Anyone knows of other video clips that has more in it then is revealed in the movie itself?
Yep you guessed it. I am gonna make a sh@tload of guesses/deductions/maybe that’s why/theories. But as David says: provided your thesis is correct, that’s why they call it a thesis.
A)
The head was preserved for so long because that was the function of the ampule room. The green thing is a tap where the vials are filled with the green liquid and the xeno dna. Same goes for the goo. Maybe the bf is stored in the giant head. I assume therefore that the ampule room is a storing facility for xeno dna and bf where ampules and vials are filled without the presence of oxygen. (Notice how the bf changed when the sacrificial engineer opened the small cup carrying the goo ? Oxygen affecting it? Guess so). The ampules started leaking the bf when it was exposed to oxygen. Then the vials and ampules are sealed and stored in the cargo hold. There is oxygen in the cargo hold but no leaking ampules. So they must be must be made airtight in the ampule room.
B)
The decapitated engineer: would his head have exploded if he made it into the ampule room where there was no oxygen? I suggest that the lack of oxygen would have prevented his head from exploding as he was breathing through his mask? What is really important here is that it seems that the goo only seems to become active in the presence of oxygen.
C)
The door to the ampule room remained open after Shaw and co left the first time (am i right about this?). So there was no further chance to prevent the bf reacting with the worms who i am guessing breathes using nitrogen or maybe co2 (anaerobic oxidation? Or did the worms came in sticking to somebody’s boots?), I know I am on very thin ice here. But some worm’s heads grow back after cutting it off. !!?? Fifield and Milburn is unable to close and open doors as I far as I know so if the door was closed when Shaw and co left they might have stayed alive as they were wearing their helmets because no leaking ampules and no worms affected and they would have able to breathe even though there is no oxygen ?? So how is it that there is no oxygen in the ampule room but m and f doesn’t need to open any doors to get into the ampule room approaching from the side that they found the dead engineers? Maybe that whole part of the pyramid is oxygen free.
D)
I am sure that the beautiful movie left on the cutting room floor will be released on the dvd. Otherwise why was that material not seen in the theatrical release, shot in the first place? No. Clever marketing ploy. Otherwise fox will go bankrupt quite quickly. No doubt for me anymore (actually I do, but I so hope I am wrong!!!) This movie was released exactly the way Ridley Scott wanted it released. This way fox gets a lot more money out of this. E) Off topic: what would an engineer look like getting xdna and turning into a xenomorph? Maybe the screech in the tunnel from a xenomorphed engineer replayed by the holographic recorder and incorrectly trying to open the ampule room door from the hologram recorder controls leaving some green slime on the controls ? So gentleman please reprimand / point out the obvious faults in my reasoning / add on / tear me down!!!! I just thought the most important part was getting this: it seems it is oxygen that caused the ampules to leak and the murals to change.
Couldn’t find a thread anywhere on the blog pointing to such. If it is please point the way!!!!
I want to comment as follows about this:
1)
I cannot remember him saying oops in the movie I saw. Seemed to have opened the door deliberately and as quickly as possible. The expression on his face was everything but sorry. I believe he knew exactly what the writing on the walls were (or had a very good idea what it meant) and what the purpose of the room was.
2)
I cannot remember anybody coughing when the door opened in the movie.
3)
I cannot remember a cloud of white wisp rushing into the ampule room almost running the length of the room almost like a chemical reaction (obvious from Shaw’s statement) of some kind.
4)
Check at 3:50 (just before she speaks about the oxygen). She gives a very poignant look at Fassbender and check Fassbinder’s finger movements at roughly the same time almost as if he is pointing something out to her(I am being too analytical now I guess). Almost like she knows that she is not really supposed to talk about it and its effects. (Oxygen) (Or maybe that’s want they want us to think. This whole interview (or maybe only certain parts) has a slight reek of being staged???). I cannot help but to agree with Freeplanet that someone on this blog gives us the right info to keep us interested at the right time. From point 1 � 3 (if my assumption/memory serves me correctly) it seems there is material that we haven’t seen in the theatrical release. Maybe that will be in the dvd when it comes out? (Whenever that will be).
5)
Notes that Shaw was afraid that the changing atmosphere that effected the murals (why: is the murals alive or not made from stone but some kind of chemical substance?) Would cause the engineers head to be damaged and lessen the chances of getting as much correct info on the head as possible when they finally analyse it. That is why she vacuum packs the head in a plastic bag. So what? I could never understand why shaw was in such a hurry to get out of the ampule room. They did not know about the approaching storm and that is why she was in a hurry to get out of there.
6)
do you notice that the only thing that ford does is give facts and observations and questions? I believe you/me/we/us must pay very close attention to everything she says. Ridley is using her to give us very subtle clues about what is going on. Is it an accident that she tells us the makeup of the atmosphere? Lindelof says that everything Ridley puts in the movie is there for a reason and you must read between the lines to see what is going on. Anyone knows of other video clips that has more in it then is revealed in the movie itself?
Yep you guessed it. I am gonna make a sh@tload of guesses/deductions/maybe that’s why/theories. But as David says: provided your thesis is correct, that’s why they call it a thesis.
A)
The head was preserved for so long because that was the function of the ampule room. The green thing is a tap where the vials are filled with the green liquid and the xeno dna. Same goes for the goo. Maybe the bf is stored in the giant head. I assume therefore that the ampule room is a storing facility for xeno dna and bf where ampules and vials are filled without the presence of oxygen. (Notice how the bf changed when the sacrificial engineer opened the small cup carrying the goo ? Oxygen affecting it? Guess so). The ampules started leaking the bf when it was exposed to oxygen. Then the vials and ampules are sealed and stored in the cargo hold. There is oxygen in the cargo hold but no leaking ampules. So they must be must be made airtight in the ampule room.
B)
The decapitated engineer: would his head have exploded if he made it into the ampule room where there was no oxygen? I suggest that the lack of oxygen would have prevented his head from exploding as he was breathing through his mask? What is really important here is that it seems that the goo only seems to become active in the presence of oxygen.
C)
The door to the ampule room remained open after Shaw and co left the first time (am i right about this?). So there was no further chance to prevent the bf reacting with the worms who i am guessing breathes using nitrogen or maybe co2 (anaerobic oxidation? Or did the worms came in sticking to somebody’s boots?), I know I am on very thin ice here. But some worm’s heads grow back after cutting it off. !!?? Fifield and Milburn is unable to close and open doors as I far as I know so if the door was closed when Shaw and co left they might have stayed alive as they were wearing their helmets because no leaking ampules and no worms affected and they would have able to breathe even though there is no oxygen ?? So how is it that there is no oxygen in the ampule room but m and f doesn’t need to open any doors to get into the ampule room approaching from the side that they found the dead engineers? Maybe that whole part of the pyramid is oxygen free.
D)
I am sure that the beautiful movie left on the cutting room floor will be released on the dvd. Otherwise why was that material not seen in the theatrical release, shot in the first place? No. Clever marketing ploy. Otherwise fox will go bankrupt quite quickly. No doubt for me anymore (actually I do, but I so hope I am wrong!!!) This movie was released exactly the way Ridley Scott wanted it released. This way fox gets a lot more money out of this.
E)
Off topic: what would an engineer look like getting xdna and turning into a xenomorph? Maybe the screech in the tunnel from a xenomorphed engineer replayed by the holographic recorder and incorrectly trying to open the ampule room door from the hologram recorder controls leaving some green slime on the controls ? So gentleman please reprimand / point out the obvious faults in my reasoning / add on / tear me down!!!! I just thought the most important part was getting this: it seems it is oxygen that caused the ampules to leak and the murals to change.
Couldn’t find a thread anywhere on the blog pointing to such. If it is please point the way!!!!
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MemberXenomorphApr-07-2015 4:15 AMOduodu,
thanks for the mention, also it seems like OXYGEN (did she mean exhaled Carbon Dioxide?) seems to DISSOLVE the murals and make the ampuled LEAK.
Mike
well i assume she was referring to the oxygen that entered the ampule room when the door was opened by david.
djamelameziane
MemberFacehuggerApr-07-2015 7:09 AModuodu you are looking for answers were there are none in most cases lol. Even the lovers of the film seem to come up with different view points even though they say it makes total sense to them...funny stuff. But I know some things are in there of course. We just have to wait for part 2 as part 1 is just a big nothing. I am still hoping for the latter films to piece together the muddle but I am not holding my breath. You only need to watch the commentary were even Ridley scott doesn’t seem to have a concrete idea of what’s going on and if he don’t know lol! :O He’s either an amazing actor holding back it all for the next two parts or it really is that messy!
Im not saying he didnt know the outline and had a few inklings to what might happen after but that is it nothing more he even said himself at the end of the art book something like "I have to think about what the hell happens next" . That kinda shocked me I thought he had thought all three parts through and it was some kind of master plan that the first part was like this...my mouth dropped of course!
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
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MemberXenomorphApr-07-2015 8:03 AMdjamelameziane
LOL
thanks
i will support prometheus always.
but that is kinda a remarkable statement.
but thats my thing - i mess with stuff that no one else wants to or has given up on.
thanks for the post it means a lot to me
prometheus is a wonderfully redeemable mess !!
you are not the first person to point that out to me however its potential huge.
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You only need to watch the commentary were even Ridley scott doesn’t seem to have a concrete idea of what’s going on and if he don’t know lol! :O He’s either an amazing actor holding back it all for the next two parts or it really is that messy!
Im not saying he didnt know the outline and had a few inklings to what might happen after but that is it nothing more he even said himself at the end of the art book something like "I have to think about what the hell happens next" . That kinda shocked me I thought he had thought all three parts through and it was some kind of master plan that the first part was like this...my mouth dropped of course!
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that does put things into perspective though
the question then becomes if ridley basicly just threw everything into the air and hoping the resultant mess is good by accident.
maybe i will become the first peron to be banned from a forum because i was too positive and too overbearing
LOL
djamelameziane
MemberFacehuggerApr-07-2015 10:57 AMNot necessarily that bad :p. Not throwing it up in the air. But thinking lindelof was onto something with lost and thinking it would work well. But it just felt like the real feeling of alien was lost (no pun intended) the world felt fake unreal and basically not thought through at least not yet in part 1...they were all being mind controlled by a demi God of course which we will find out in part 2 :D ...At least that's my hopeful theory...the demi God needs them to come free it from the elders prison on their home planet. Tee hee :)
So yes just felt like there was hardly any 'world building' unlike alien were the world felt real this one felt very artificial and unrealistic.
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D