Alien/Prometheus questions and ideas

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I have some questions/comments about Prometheus and Alien and how they "may" relate. First I have Questions: 1. Do we know for sure that the derelict from Alien is thousands of years old? Has it ever been clearly stated by Ridley or any other authority one way or another? 2. Are LV-233 and LV-426 in the same star system?(i always thought they were) I ask these questions because something doesn't seem right to me. If lv-233 and 426 are in the same system and the derelict has been on 426 for thousands of years transmitting a warning, why didn't the Prometheus crew pick up on the signal...especially if they are so close? They didn't pick up any signals from 233, right? It as a quiet system, until we woke things up. So, maybe the derelict from Alien is not so old. Maybe the engineers suits are biological enough to decompose in the LV-426 atmosphere to a point of looking petrified or fossilized? Maybe the engineers suit rotted a little and then froze? I dont know, but I am beginning to think that it hadn't been there for as long as i have been led to believe. I have a theory that also doubles as an idea for the p2 or p3 sequel story line. Its just an idea, so bare with me please. Humans travel to LV-233 as we have seen in Prometheus and mess around with the engineers experiment..The black goo. The lone engineer is not to fond of us being there and messing with things and gives killing us a go, but in the end tries to head to earth to deliver the cargo of black goo. We stop him by disabling his ship. If not for cuddles, he probably would have made it out alive. The headless David and the pain killer intoxicated Shaw were no match for him. Did he get a message off to other engineers that we were there messing with stuff or was he a lone rogue engineer, the last of the bunch experimenting? I'll cut to the chase here with my theory/ storyline idea. In Prometheus we do not pick up on the beacon and in Alien they do not detect anything from LV-233. I suspect that Lv-233 will be completely wiped clean by the engineers either to prevent our meddling or to clean up a mess made by rogue engineers. Either way, humans no longer have the opportunity to play with the black goo. A shipment of eggs is sent to earth by the engineers to wipe out humanity(for whatever reason)...Unfortunately for them, it never arrives due to the fact that one got loose and impregnated the "jockey", eventually killing him, but not before he sets a beacon to warn his kind not to investigate. The engineers finally realize that messing with the xeno is to dangerous and abandon the xeno as a weapon. Now, rather than destroy the derelict and its cargo, the engineers leave it as a sort of trap. Even though they did not get the shipment to earth, they know that we will be back and will investigate the beacon and eventually our curiosity will do their dirty work for them. Of course the story has to be more elaborate than what I wrote...Thoughts?

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BigDaveAugust 06, 2012

1) Ridley Scott had hinted that.. a) The technology of the Derelict could be maybe millions of years old. b) The Derelict was on LV 426 for a very long time, maybe thousands of years. c) Hinted latter that the Derelict crashed on LV 426 200 years prior to the outbreak on LV 223 that killed off most of the Engineers. So it would appear that Ridley is going for the idea the Derelict had been on LV 426 for a few thousand years. 2) Ridley had hinted that the Derelict in Alien had traveled a short distance and never reached its destination and that it had to make a emergency landing due to the Cargo getting lose. Now Prometheus is supposed to be based in the zeta reticuli system which is a binary system, meaning two stars in close proximity. Check out this image.... [img]http://www.astrosurf.com/lunascan/map2.jpg[/img] it shows that Zeta 1 Reticuli and Zeta 2 Reticuli are close by. However the actual distance given that Prometheus traveled was 35 Light Years. Which could mean they went to Gliese 86 it is my theory that maybe the designation LV223 and LV426 could be different systems. I think that LV2** is one star system (Zeta 1?) and LV4** another (Zeta 2?) i dont think they are around the same planet so we are not talking like both moons around Saturn, i also dont think we are talking different planets so like LV 426 being a Saturn Moon and LV 223 being a Jupiter one. I think they refer to different systems and thus a distance of say about 350 billion miles which is how far away Zeta 1 is from 2. Where as Jupiter to Saturn is like 100 Million Miles so like 3500X less. This is just a assumption by me (that LV426 and LV 223 are not in same system but neighboring systems). And would explain why maybe Prometheus never received the LV 426 distress signal or why Nostramo never received Shaws. I think your correct with the Engineers eventually decided the Xeno Bio Weapon was a risky one to contain and control and was too dangerous and i believe thats why they found a way to store Xeno DNA in the Urns instead.

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FanAugust 06, 2012

Well that makes much more sense. If the two star systems are separated by that vast a distance, than I can buy each not detecting the other. Personally, I have always accepted the idea that the Jockey was long long dead, but the proximity issue(that you point out is not really an issue), certainly makes me more comfortable with the known storyline. I have read here before about the idea of the urns being a sort of replacement for the more volatile facehugger egg. I wonder if they will take it in that direction in the sequels? So would that mean that being contaminated by the goo would result in a transformation into a classic xeno or would the outcome be a bit irregular. They just didnt seem to clearly define what the goo does in Prometheus. Sure we saw cuddles and the deacon, but what would have happened to Fifield and Holloway if they had been left to continue their transformation? hmmm....

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allinambercladAugust 06, 2012

Hmm. Scott, has pushed the, "thousands of years", pitch - after that, I don't know how it's possible to favour a suggestion that the two planets are in different systems when we are explicitly told and shown that they [i]are[/i] in the same system?.. I'd hope whoever ends up having to deal with this works a little harder than that to resolve the issues you point out, because those issues actually are quite significant and interesting - and they deserve a little effort: that the planets, "in fact, weren't the same system, after all!..", I would find intensely patronising... That Derelict. My own preference is that the Engineers didn't know it was there but, regardless, I believe there actually are dramatically interesting ways to resolve the Prometheus' blindness to the Derelict's signal - while, at the same time, maintaining continuity with Alien by providing an, apparent, "sudden", "reveal", to Humanity/Nostromo, later on - all without having to suddenly move planets to different systems.

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CustodianAugust 07, 2012

what distress signal can(would) support itself for THOUSANDS OF YEARS, is another obvious response...

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Cerulean BlueAugust 07, 2012

I thought I read Sir Ridley say he thought of the Space Jockey in Alien as a noble character of sorts?

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BigDaveAugust 07, 2012

@allinamberclad Yes by the same system he means the Zeta Reticuli system which is a binary system meaning it has two stars and they are approximately 100X the distance between our Sun (Sol) and Pluto. As far as noble goes, maybe he means the Engineers mission may had been to take the Organism to be Quarantined that was always my fault, that his mission was to take them to a safer place and the Baron LV426 was perfect. That was prior to Ridley saying the destination was not specified but the landing on LV 426 was not the intention. Again i think that the Urns are a product of the Xeno and they was created after the Xeno Organism. And thus the Xeno does not come from the Black Goo or Urns.

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