Star System Fact Check

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MemberOvomorphAugust 20, 20124466 Views37 RepliesThe question has been raised before, "Are lv426 and lv223(233?) in the same system?
I just watched the alien dcut(again) and noticed that Lambert responds to the question of where they are by saying, "Found it, just short of Zeta 2 Reticulli."
Having not seen prometheus for a month and having no way to view it at the moment, is lv-223 in the zeta 2 system for sure?
just curious..
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August 20, 2012
Apparently, it is. And there's no LV-233 that I've heard of, only LV-223. In Prometheus they don't actually say it clearly, as far as I remember it. But Scott mentions Zeta 2 Reticuli clearly in one of the featurettes. I think it's the one called '30 years in the making'. Hope that helps.
August 20, 2012
yeah I guess they are close to each other. Would make little sense naming two Planets "LV+number" if they don't belong in the same system or cluster.
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August 20, 2012
In Alien, LV 426 is in the Zeta 2 Reticuli system. In Prometheus and one of the prometheus short documentaries, Ridley clearly states that LV 223 is in Zeta 2 Reticuli system.
It doesn't necessarily mean that both Planetoids are orbiting around the same Planet, but they are in the same system.
The poster was good though!
August 20, 2012
^^^^^^agree with Necro^^^^^^
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August 20, 2012
That's correct, so they could still be quite far apart. But compared to the distance from Earth to Zeta 2 Reticuli I'd say it's more like a stone throw away...
August 20, 2012
I just find it a bit of a coincidence that LV-223 and LV-426 both circle a ringed planet without it being the same ringed planet. It's possible, but not convincing.
August 20, 2012
@Herc. It is not just possible but very probable that there is more than one Ringed Planet, in that Star System. Considering the Ringed Planet in Alien and the Ringed Planet in Prometheus are different Colours? I'm colour blind, so i didn't see that difference but i've heard alot of other people comment on that paticular difference.
The poster was good though!
August 20, 2012
The proximity of the Derelict to LV 223, really shouldn't matter. You can use you're imagination for that, surely! That is where Ambiguity is supposed to be placed!
In Prometheus there is too much ambiguity, to the point that it becomes a Crusade, rather than a Fun, entertaining experience with a BIT of Mistery.
We don't need everything spelling out for us, but atleast give us what we need to make sense of the Film!
Also, the difference in the Colours of the Ringed Planets, isn't just a case of Technological advancement, in my opinion. Ridley is a very Visual Film Maker, as we all know. So i really don't think that he would make any compromise or mistakes on the Colours of the Planets if that is one of the main focuses of the Alien, Prometheus connection.
The poster was good though!
August 20, 2012
I would buy it that the planets are different colors simply due to the advancement in special effects from alien to Prometheus.
The question about the planetoids and their proximity simply takes me back to the question of where is the derelict in proximity and when did it crash? Yes, I know, we have talked about that one to death. I just can't help but wonder if the derelict is not that old. I posed the question in a thread awhile back about why the Prometheus didn't pick up on the signal from the derelict?
After watching alien again, it firms some things up for me. Yes the nostromo crew were in zeta 2 and now because of this thread, yes, the Prometheus crew went to zeta 2. So how did the company know to send the nostromo crew to zeta 2 and to bring back the alien life form, crew expendable. So in the sequel to prometheus(I realize there is another place for prometheus 2 discussions), they must either discover the signal from the derelict or they are responsible for downing it.
I am beginning to think that the derelict is not that old and that the appearance of age is simply the result of time exposed to lv426. If downing the derelict predates the experiments we uncover in Prometheus, I could buy that as well, but hope they give us some real meat and potatoes when explaining it.
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August 20, 2012
If you want facts then it's going to get ugly. Fact is that Holloway said the system was so far away that it's not visible from Earth. That's not true, the Zeta Reticulae system is visible from the Southern hemisphere with the naked eye. Fact 2 the Zeta Reticulae system is not the furthest that man has ever travelled from Earth. If you examine the website for Weyland Industries, and is this canon? POL-6362 Jacob-Tellis is 3249.1 LY's from Earth while Zeta Reticulae is only 12 parsecs or 39 LY's from Sol.
It is called Zeta Reticulae 2 because it is a binary star system.The two stars are located at similar distances from the Sun and share the same motion through space confirming that they are gravitationally bound and form a wide binary star system. They have an angular separation of 309.2 arc seconds (5.2 arc minutes); which is far enough apart to appear as a close pair of separate stars to the naked eye under suitable viewing conditions. The distance between the two stars is at least 3,750 AU, so their orbital period is 170,000 years or more.[1
Both stars share similar physical characteristics to the Sun,[11] so they are considered solar analogs. Their stellar classification is nearly identical to that of the Sun. æ1 has 96% of the Sun's mass and 84% of the Sun's radius. æ2 is slightly larger and more luminous than æ1, with 99% of the Sun's mass and 88% of the Sun's radius.[5][6] The two stars are somewhat deficient in metals, having only 60% of the proportion of elements other than hydrogen and helium as compared to the Sun.[3][14] For reasons that remain uncertain, they have an anomalously low abundance of beryllium.[7] Both stars are considered unusual because they have a lower luminosity than is normal for main sequence stars of their age and surface temperature. That is, they lie below the main sequence curve on the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram for newly formed stars. Most stars will evolve above this curve as they age
So for the sake of fictional stellar nomenclature it's possible that LV-223 and LV-426 orbit the opposing stars in the system which would make them relatively close. Also for those of you knocking the Nostromo's apparent lack of technology check your canon. The Nostromo a commercial Tug can cross the distance between Zeta Reticulae and Sol in 10 Months. Prometheus required 2 years to accomplish the same feat if they are in neighboring star systems.
August 20, 2012
I like the ugly facts...thanks ghost! Very interesting.
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August 20, 2012
During the briefing on the Prometheus you can clearly see LV-426 in the hologram of the planet and it's 2 moons. But it isn't labelled............. So they clearly are in the same system, and each of the 2 moons has a ship of the same type crashed on it................
See the problem that creates for people?
Either the Engineers/Space Jockeys/Shaw (I bet you that's who the Space Jockey ends up being) are REALLY bad drivers or they don't pay much attention to their weapons and they get loose all the damn time annihilating them at every turn . So it's no wonder they ended up extinct.............
Man, I really am liking this less and less the more I think about it :-(
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August 20, 2012
So how come the star map on the Prometheus shows the system somewhere north west of Orion? That's the other side of the sky to Reticulum.
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August 20, 2012
I'd say that's due either to galactic drift OR the camera swapping the image from the right side of the screen to the left :-P
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August 21, 2012
Nope. Proper motion of stars takes millennia before the effects can be seen visually. The star map on Prometheus shows Orion in the correct orientation as seen from Earth. What makes you think you can see LV-426 in the hologram if it isn't labelled?
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