The adventure of Shaw the Wonderwoman and David's head

Major Noob Is it??? Please tell me more about it. [img]http://memecreator.net/creepy-wonka/images/meme.jpg[/img]

@dopelganger Actually the story is quite conventional, a ship is dispatched to search for a solar system. I didn't find the story deep, but the several plotholes were. But please explain what you mean, much appreciated. What doesn't appeal to me is how the story is executed. Damon's and Spaits tactic was ambiguity (which is fine if you make it good IMO like Chris Nolan's Memento) but that was brought down by Janek's sudden knowledge of lv223 being a military installation, for instance. Like a bolt out the sky, Janek just sums it all up. I really liked the build-up and Ridley's attention to details, but when the film started to pick up the pace, a lot of important things were left unexplained. Why didn't Shaw mention anything about the squid she gave birth to? How did Fifield and Milburn manage to get lost? They were using the best GPS ever! Why does Milburn (-the effin biologist) attempt to cuddle with an alien serpent (obviously hostile)? He was scared moments earlier. Etc etc etc. Damn it hurts to notice these things, but It's so obvious. There were too many things going on, too many loose threads. A writer should never underestimate the audience. But of course I agree with you, we have to respect each other and we're all different. I had certain expectations, like more horror and tension, and getting to know the characters more so that I would care about their destiny.

LOL David1 I KNEW you were Willy Wonka!      Yes, I said it, POIGNANT. Why? It's almost like RS is very aware of his own mortality and wanted to produce the wildest most out- there technicolor fist-in-the-face freakfest homage to all the influences that ever moved him/ love letter to film, the sci fi genre and the fans who launched his career while rebooting the franchise with a coupla hundred cc's of psychedelic adrenochrome. Or something like that. And he succeeded. Unfortunately, at least for some, Fox seems to think so too. I hate to say it, but you played a part in that. Doesn't that just make you want to thrash an OompaLoompa?

Hahaha Davy!

Major Noob › ahahahah. you are funny. Yes, Sir Ridley must be thinking of his own mortality. Now that his bro died, even more those thoughts must be present in his mind. I payed my ticket for the flick, so I'm cool with it. Also, FOX and Industies like that really don't give a banana to what one thinks or not. All they care is the money they get. As for the Oompas... they scare me. But I'd hapilly slap a Munchkin silly just for the fun of it.

David1- you are of course absolutely right about Fox, I'm not seeing sentiment in their decision but numbers, but I'm good with that. Believe me, I've complained many times, for instance, about popular music and can't tell you how many times I've heard " well they're rich and you're not.." for which my reply is " yeah, so is McDonald's". I stand for artistic integrity and CANT STAND shallow posing, or pandering. But I don't see that here, so I'm delighted and surprised we're gonna maybe get an answer at least to what happened to Calamity Shaw and the Headless Horseman.

@dopelganger; I take it you haven't been in the Batman forums then? You think this is bad, over there people flip at the idea Bane is intellectual or Catwoman is actually nice and helps Bruce Wayne. Emotions are high on every forum, with every movie these days. Riots almost broke out with the release of the Star Wars Blu Ray because Lucas made some changes to the movies. People are passionate about what they like.

Svanya, could there be a 2001 for this generation? The creative wellsprings of the 60s and 70s were fueled in large part by cultural conditions that don't exist today . New techniques in recording for example, both audio and visual, that seem quaint today but that heralded a sea change in the arts, and how they were consumed. A new, dangerous but far more cerebral drug culture than that which exists now. Restless youth with a new voice. Corporate decisions uninformed by what we know as corporate mentality. I maintain RS did the best he could, and did very well! The advertising was indeed misleading. But is that a surprise?

M. Noob: Artistic Integrity is such a rare thing these days. Money talks, the Band walks

@ Svanya Exactly, one of the main reasons why Prometheus was a letdown for me was because the initial trailers promised something darker and horrifying, a nod to Alien that we all know and love. The end result was something completely unexpected and that's not fan service, It's something new and different.

David1: agreed. But that's one of the reasons Prometheus worked for me, I could not believe my eyes. I counted two truly corny moments. A lot of camp, yes, but my take is it was wry. These days that's a surprise, given the budget and studio, sad to say. Magellan9: just wanted to say I expected dark horror too, and would have happily received it. Maybe the outcry here and elsewhere will open the door for some great films in that vein?

@Magellan9; Yes the Viral videos and the ad campaign really set expectations high. Most people I talk to thought it was going to be the 2001 of our generation. :/

@Svanya Yeah I also expected something like that but "we were so wrong" :D

@ Major Noob What on earth are you trying to say?

Magellan9: that the marvel of 2001, and it's cultural impact, was due in large part to its time, and the mindset of the film makers AND the studio. I'm questioning if such a thing is possible today. I'm a Beatles fan, so I'll use the fame changing album Revolver as an example: the artists today who produce comparable music are the exception, not the norm. Not so then. I argue that no big budget blockbuster tent pole whatever you want to call it could have the same startling impact. I further argue Prometheus danced with style on the very line between commercial gloss and artful style. IMO, of course.

And I FURTHER argue it's that very dance that makes Prometheus a masterwork.

@major noob: damn...you just keep forcing me to "+1" your posts. In all seriousness, i couldnt agree more (with both your assertion regarding the film and the points/comparisons you use to bolster your assertion).

TY joeyjoe it's terrible how disappointed Magellen9 and others are, I wouldn't condescend to try to convert anybody but I can't help selling it all the same! You gotta wonder what's gonna happen around here when people get their hands on the BluRay....

I would defo welcome another Masterpiece such as 2001. But, really, it is such a unique movie/work of Art that the bar was set really high up with that one. Many have tried to emulate it's style and depth and all have failed. I consider 2001 a unique Master Work of Art on it's own, like the Pyramids of Giza. There really is no nead for another movie like that. We nead something as important and beautiful but by it's own sake and mastery. Something that differs from it and can stand on it's own. All in all, we nead another Real Movie, not some crap that is done just for the box office.

@David1+1  BUT....I just feel Prometheus is too surreal to be labelled a cynical cash grab. I answered a post you made several threads back about the "2001 on steroids" claim. I actually felt THAT was an accurate description. 2001 was balletic, cerebral, and part of a cultural revolution that even the suits (creative ones at any rate) were immersed in. Thus, such a movie got made.     On steroids, we get the brute version, amped up, glassy eyed and ready to go berserk. And perhaps the end product was much better than we could have hoped for, given the corporate desire for big returns on a big budget? Ahg I'm repeating myself.  Gettin old, bra.