How This could have been a Classic in 10 simple fixes

Hmmm not sure what your trying to say all the same are you mixing religion up with Ochlocracy or mob rule as its modern day name is? If so it wasn't a mob it was one idiot that everyone else seemed to follow - it really doesn't make sense from any angle at all - apart from maybe being a Holloway in real life looking at the film! Whoa maybe thats it :O jk ! And ill say it again if ridleys trying to criticize religion why is the most religious person or only religious person the main hero / winner who survives? I really didnt see much of anything said in this film I hope its all to come because it was very bland in that sense...if it were a comment on religion and all people in general it would be everyone's stupid and acts unlike anyone you have ever seen in real life?! The other way of looking at it is so sound its air tight this way look like a kid made it up then ripped it up and threw it across the room randomly!

I was thinking the same thing as @dopelganger In the original Alien, one of the biggest problems was keeping the helmets from fogging up. I'm wondering this this was just an easy way out of having to do retakes because of foggy helmets.

[b]...it was one idiot that everyone else seemed to follow...[/b] Don't forget that taking off their helmets didn't actually cause the infection. And they [i]did[/i] meet their maker. So it wasn't completely unjustified. They just... [i]pissed off[/i] their maker. lol. A handful of people experiencing the wrath of god for the sins of all of humanity.

Thanks for all the comments, this is my third time trying to reply to some of what has been brought up, so if this makes it though these are short answers to the most debated questions, tired of typing for 30 min to have it lost ugh. Every infection has a completly diffrent effect, no creature continuity, more a ruse to is this a prequel until final scene than a planned thought out direction. (see alternate creature designs) Tho after reading some other ideas, like the urns contain manipulated Xeno DNA the squid like alien could make perfect sense. Faith covers only Him and maybe his Wifes choice to remove there helmets, scanners did not give all clear, many bio organic discoveries found after means no way was there an all clear. Surgery, great scene but sorry, up and running and fighting minutes after having major muscles cut and not properly healed = impossible. Final fight, Ok so one, how did he find here so quickly among all that wreckage and more to the point, he didn't give two craps about any of them moments before while leaving, but now instead of going to another ship and completing his misson he'd rather go searching for someone he doesn't even know is alive. I hope none of this sounds like I'm being mean about my comments, my first couple tries at re posting were lost and much more friendly sounding, these are just quick retorts not my full thoughts. Sure maybe in there panick to get the hell out of there they weren't using the mapping system but it's hard to believe that once they were talking about being lost they couldnt simply use it then, both ship and away team had locations at all times so it felt a bit silly and it poorly set up the chamber scene where a dead head scares me but a hissing cobra is something I wan't to pet,..lame. I think the reason this film is so debated is it's own fault, for most of the film it sets itself as this Grand Intelligent Philosophical production but then suddenly becomes a cheesy B horror movie where something happens just to set up another scene without taking the tone of the film into consideration, it's very jarring for alot of people when a film seems all over the place and more so when it's a well produce film from a very accredited filmmaker. Ok Credit due, it's been awhile since I saw the film so a bit foggy on some details, Ok they did read I think it was a power signature before landing, EDIT 9 simple fixes =) or make 10 get a better screen writer!!! LOST was a mess after a few seasons and may have the most plot holes of anything ever written. And yes I did mostly enjoy this film....mostly =)

(Yeah, the site logs you out after a while if you don't have any activity. I've lost a few posts, too. It's frustrating. And it's something I've already brought up with Chris. I think this is still a new and developing community and could use quite a few changes. But it's the only Prometheus community that I'm aware of, hehe) [quote][b]Faith covers only Him and maybe his Wifes choice to remove there helmets, scanners did not give all clear, many bio organic discoveries found after means no way was there an all clear.[/b][/quote] I don't think anything read [i]"all clear"[/i]. It's probably a bit unrealistic (even in sci-fi terms) to imagine technology that would be able to detect the presence of microscopic lifeforms in an entire environment and [i]then[/i] decide whether they pose any threat human beings. But he [i]did[/i] detect that the air was breathable... hence the "faith-based" decision to remove his helmet. [quote][b]Final fight, Ok so one, how did he find here so quickly among all that wreckage and more to the point, he didn't give two craps about any of them moments before while leaving, but now instead of going to another ship and completing his misson he'd rather go searching for someone he doesn't even know is alive.[/b][/quote] It's film editing. They speed up processes so the film doesn't last 3 and a half hours (like a shitty James Cameron movie, lol). Pacing is an important aspect. We don't know the extent of Mr. Engineer's ship technology. He could have thermal readings of the planet, etc. And as far as his intentions and plans go, I don't know either... he's [i]only human[/i] not a god. ;) [quote][b]Surgery, great scene but sorry, up and running and fighting minutes after having major muscles cut and not properly healed = impossible.[/b][/quote] Nothing is impossible. I really don't think it's that crazy. I've had abdominal surgery (inguinal hernia). It sucks for the next 24 hours, but you don't know what kind of pills she popped or what kind of numbing effects that machine was capable of. And besides, it's not like she dug around inside herself and disrupted a bunch of tissue (That would make it [i]extremely[/i] painful). All she did was remove a foreign body. And to me, the bigger issue is: if the creature was growing as fast as it was, we probably should have seen it growing before our eyes as she pulled it out!! But seriously, dude. It's science fiction and it's some damn clever science fiction. You could probably pick apart nit-picky little things all day long. These are not the most interesting things to be discussing about the film. Much more interesting are the ideas like what it means to die, and is there supposed to be some sort of nobility in death... Pretty fascinating (and tragic) that Ridley's brother killed himself just recently.

Oh Leech, I was Going to tear into u a bit but ur ability to make no sense is too extrodinary for me so I'll just ask nicely, Plz stop Trolling with your wako comments.

I was thinking about this recently and thought to myself - if I had written Prometheus how would I have made it better, and I came up with a few ideas... We all know that a movie is made up of 3 acts - the beginning, middle and the end. Now in most well made and well scripted films the division between each isn't always easily identifiable, but unfortunately in Prometheus it is... [center]Ship - Dome - Ship - Dome - Ship - Dome/Alien ship[/center] WTF? We the audience, and the characters care more about whats inside the dome than whats on the goddamn ship so instead I would have simply had them all stay in the Dome when the storm hit. Why? Because they've travelled nearly 40 light years to find this place and they wanna uncover its secrets, not spend 10 minutes each time, barely investigating anything. So I would have had them land, rush into the Dome, storm hits, they all stay inside, uncover some secrets. Fifield and Milburn bite it have David infect Holloway inside the Dome before leaving to investigate the glitching pup, and thus discovering the last Engineer. Following morning they discover Milburn, Holloway shows he is infected (but having kissed Shaw, she is also infected), they rush back with Holloway being burnt and then I would have carried on pretty much like the rest of the film, except I would have mutant Fifield attack as the Weyland , Shaw, David and co are about to leave. And finally I would have more of a struggle between Shaw and the Last Engineer inside the lifeboat.

Whatever dude.. :/

Isn't this wonderful how one movie can get under your skin like Prometheus? I love this site. So many creative minds, great ideas and critics. The thing is - it is just sci-fi so anything is possible and can happen. I remember back when a simple Black and white film made in the 50's and some 60's were so bad but yet I was riveted to the screen. Just love sci-fi - still go back and watch Buck Rogers, Lost in Space, Star Trek (tos), UFO, The Invaders and the list goes on and on. Man things have come a long way in 40 years. Gota love it!

Yer I am not sure what patient is on about half the time either not sure if he was trolling either its all a bit incoherent a bit like promethues eh heh :D ! That idea of fogging up helmet yes of course that does make some sense too I heard they actually CGI'd the helemets on in some scenes - makes total sense to as they were also saving money. Pitty it all detracted so much - but hey ho here to hoping it gets better...

@KrazedMadMan. Let me have a crack at answering: 1. Cave paintings, make it uncertain why they are there, invitaion maybe? but debate the other reasons they may be there, like to let us know of other life, or maybe even as a warning, just leave it open to debate until later in the movie when motivations become more clear. [b]I agree.[/b] 2. Scan from ship sets up a reason for landing where they did, power/life signature, unnatural formations, just something to set a sense of discovery not blind luck. EDIT: They had a good reason for this flight path, memory was a bit foggy on this one. [b]I agree.[/b] 3. Readings from ship and scientific equipment clearly indicate that it's safe to remove protective gear, or set up a reason why he takes it off, suit malfuntion, could even be latter tied into if David tampered with it. [b]I agree.[/b] 4. Two guys who want to leave, not because of some 2000yr old alien, but because Davids pushing unknown buttons and crazy things are starting to happen, have whole group more concerned with Davids motivations at this point. [b]Not sure what you mean here?[/b] 5. Guys get lost, Have some signal disruption going on, make it unlear why, could it be whatever Davids doing, have ship lose signal with crew at this point, sets up not only our lost scientist but the approching storm that they have little warning for. [b]I thought that scene was clear. Capt Janek knew where they were but thought it would be funny to leave them alone overnight with the dead engineers.[/b] 6. Back in Main chamber have Alien Worm suprise attack them (did you see something moving in there) and the resulting struggle causes the acid spray, this would make more sense and could be a much needed tense moment at this part of the film and it sets up how dangerous the goo will become later. [b]I agree.[/b] 7. Surgery scene, two things here, one cosmetic and one fix, make the squid monster a little more classic alien looking at this point, make the surgery process make more sense, show tissue reconstruction not staples.EDIT: Creature design here really has no bearing and may be explained later. EDIT 2: what I mean is that she would not be able to function after this operation with way the surgery ended, use sci fi to make her future actions more believable. [b]I thought that scene was brilliant. I agree with you about showing the tissue reconstruction and i defo agree with you about making the squid more classic alien! But the story couldn't have progressed in the way it did if they would have made the effects of Shaws birth more realistic because in reality she wouldn't have been able to even stand up. I'm sure of it.[/b] 8. When the alien ship crashes, set up a reason why the Engineer hunts her down instead of finishing his mission, like what looks like a piece of the debris that lands close to her turn out to be a ejection capsule that opens to reveal the Engineer. [b]Maybe he would have completed his mission after he'd finished with Shaw? But he didn't get that chance.[/b] 9. in the final fight again have a more classic looking alien squid looking creature that attaches to the Engineers face with a resulting more classic looking chest buster alien come out of his dead body. EDIT: see above edit. [b]I agree to a point, but not too much like the original alien.[/b] 10. When David contacts her about another ship set it up that he can get it to work but that like the first ship it has a pre destined flight path but it's to an unknown star and it's there only option for leaving, I find it wierd that she doesn't want to warn mankind of this impending doom, this would also set up many more theories as too what was really happening on this planet and leave it more open ended for the sequel. [b]I agree and it would have also been better if they didn't show them taking off in it.[/b]

[quote][b]Yer I am not sure what patient is on about half the time either not sure if he was trolling either its all a bit incoherent a bit like promethues eh heh :D ! That idea of...[/b][/quote] And [i]I'M[/i] incoherent??? I know basic grammar and I use punctuation. It's not difficult and it make posts more pleasant to read. Feel free to actually POINT OUT what is unclear (instead of just being d-bags, the two of you) and I will be happy to reword (i.e. dumb down).

I like what you've come up with...only a Krazed Mad Man could get it right. I would like to add though that the archeologists should have found evidence of ancient aliens Oh sorry Humans on other planets as space travel and mining expand into the galaxy and this evidence should have lead them to LV-223. Like what happened in the LV-100's? I was also hoping for a visual trip through space to the planet so it wouldn't seem like suddenly they were there. Throw in some more space ships too like a I mean whole armadas

:P I would like to have seen the Xeno-Vickers of one of the fake script [img]http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p589/jokerdeldesierto/tumblr_lyuueorRKM1rnm594o1_500-1x0epcf.jpg[/img]

but also I don't think that Cuddles was to be too much like a classic Facehugger, I think it's time for new monsters and on this point I would have liked a more longer battle in the hangar of the Prometheus and a more mutated Fifield. Maybe in the temple He could attack any member of the crew when they were looking at Milburn (with the appearance of the angry caveman) and finally since mutated into something more monstrous in the Hangar. A more credible reason with this two guys who are stranded in the structure. Regarding the characters I would have liked more depth in Weyland and Vickers and it would be good to change the death of Meredith and the scene of the two girls running in the same direction when the Juggernaut was rolling toward them. And finally a more epic battle between the squid and the Engineer. With the mysteries I agree because it makes the movie generates more food for thought and the way we left for the sequel and materials to make this an expansion of the original mythology, in fact it seems more original the idea of a spin -off than a direct prequel and btw a better soundtrack would have been nice. I think that the atmosphere of a film depends heavily on this point.

Leech you just can't help yourself lol,...you don't need to Dumb down anything for us, it's a case of you needing to Smart up. I'm not trying to start a fight w/u, you just keep repeating yourself over and over without ever actually addressing the new ideas presented to you, it's like the whole God debate in real life, ppl have so many diffrent reasons why it's unlikely but those who believe seem to only have the same answer, it's faith!, like thats the only answer needed, kindda like if I say the answer to every math problem is 5 no matter what the problem is because I believe in 5, so no other argument needs to be presented in my defense, because if you don't understand or like 5 then you are wrong, it makes no sense man! So here again I'll debate w/u on you last 3 points. Faith could have been motivation for Him and even his Wife to remove their helmets but this would have no bearing on the rest of the team, their faith would not be enough reason for highly educated scientist to just throw all their training and experience to the wind and do something so reckless and against logic, the scene needed to happen but Faith is just such poor execution, it could have been handled much better, this is after all Sci Fi, use what you've got and don't make logical ppl suffer due to your lack of creativity. So 10 minutes after your surgery you were running down halls, dodging cars and fighting MMA fighters right?, dude you probably didnt even know where you were for hrs, again just use Sci Fi to make it more likely, sorry but women have C-sections all the time and theres no way they could do any of the things she was for probably days after, let alone minutes, and the it was powerful painkillers, sorry two problems with that, One doesn't stop the wound from re-opening while running and fighting and Two if their that strong she'd be out cold or so disoriented that she'd be useless, she is after all only Human and not some super drug test subject. Again you don't even touch on the subject of why would he suddenly care about her, he let her escape the starmap chamber to complete his mission but now he has a special vendetta against her, second point, it would take no extra film time to have a pod in the debris open up, but it would make a cohesive reason why he'd try to now kill her, simply he is in close proximity to her and just had his plans F'd with, it would also explaine how he was not all smashed to pieces after tumbling head over heels ten times in a massive crash, so same flim time use, much better set up and delivery. I hope you think on it and just don't come back with it's Sci Fi who cares, we care, don't be smart and philosophical one moment and then saturday morning cartoon the next (I'm speaking of the film not you) and expect us to not have a problem with your continuity.

Yep true - but I dont think he gets it! Was going to repeat some stuff and hope he answers this time but couldnt be bothered any more!

[b]I hope you think on it and just don't come back with it's Sci Fi who cares, we care, don't be smart and philosophical one moment and then saturday morning cartoon the next (I'm speaking of the film not you) and expect us to not have a problem with your continuity.[/b] Look, my frustration is this: Whatever “faults” people try to pull out of the movie just takes a little imagination (starts singing the Imaginationland song from South Park, lol) to look past, which you’ve clearly got, but instead people use their imagination to bitch about the movie instead of trying to delve into the deeper, underlying ideas of the film. It’s gotten rather old. (Trying my best to read past yet again more goofy grammar errors…) I’ve already made my point clear on the first point… [b]So 10 minutes after your surgery you were running down halls, dodging cars and fighting MMA fighters right?, dude you probably didnt even know where you were for hrs, again just use Sci Fi to make it more likely, sorry but women have C-sections all the time and theres no way they could do any of the things she was for probably days after, let alone minutes, and the it was powerful painkillers, sorry two problems with that, One doesn't stop the wound from re-opening while running and fighting and Two if there that strong she'd be out cold or so disoriented that she'd be useless, she is after all only Human and not some super drug test subject.[/b] Again, use some imagination. She didn’t put herself under with anesthesia. She was conscious the whole time watching it happen, which is of course what made the scene so effective. And what I’M saying is that you don’t know WHAT you’d be capable of if you were really in that situation, with adrenaline and endorphins, etc.. humans are capable of great feats when they are faced with adversity. (especially stubborn women who believe in God, heh). [b]Again you don't even touch on the subject of why would he suddenly care about her, he let her escape the starmap chamber to complete his mission but now he has a special vendetta against her, second point, it would take no extra film time to have a pod in the debris open up, but it would make a cohesive reason why he'd try to now kill her, simply he is in close proximity to her and just had his plans F'd with, it would also explaine how he was not all smashed to peices after tumbling head over heels ten times in a massive crash, so smae flim time use, much better set up and delivery.[/b] "So smae flim time..." what? I truly do not understand your point about the pod in the debris and how that would explain why he’d want to kill her suddenly. But I don’t think it would have been difficult for him to survive the crash seeing as he was well strapped in. I can believe that he left the scene relatively unscathed. And I’ve already made this point, but I’m sure you’ll complain about me repeating myself, but since you never seem to understand it, I will: film editing cuts things out to keep the pace moving along. Filmmakers (especially Ridley Scott) doesn't feel the need to show every line connecting every dot. He expects the audience to fill in the gaps. Get over it.

Fill in the massive plot holes is what I think you meant to say,.. Every post you make seems like the old saying, one step forward, two steps back, the more you talk the more you lose ground lol. Faith makes it so her tissue doesn't tear back open while fighting and running minutes after a massive surgery, lol, dude seriously your making my sides hurt stop it. Or better yet go read a book on physiology. Your like a dog that keeps bitting the sore on it's ass because it's blissfully ignorant of how much worse it's making it.

It does seem to be the ethos of most of the people that thought it was a masterpiece: use your imagination - fill in the plot holes your self stuff like that. Well in that case every film is a masterpiece surely - all you do is fill in the mistakes lol . And when you probe them to what they are making up to fill in the bits they all got different answers or they use ambiguous words like faith and magic lol! So this then begs the question - if there all different then obviously most of them are wrong if not all and there just simply making up stuff that isnt there! Which logically points you towards the fact that it was just a good film great bits and awful clanger bits - strangest film I have ever seen in that sense!