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Prometheus might become canon only to ALIEN in the DC because of 1 line....

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Appologies if I have insulted some folks recently. I’m angry because I’m passionate about my favourite franchise. Now I really wish I hadn’t seen the deleted scenes. Here’s why. In the deleted scenes( and I really hope they don’t include all in the director’s cut) Holloway now LITERALLY says about halfway in the movie (I’m 100% this scene takes place AFTER they’ve visited the temple, Shaw and Hollowhead are on the Prometheus, he's lying on a couch like Kate Winslett in Titanic You can clearly see he's disappointed...still can't believe it...I was so wrong): “WE CAME HERE TO TALK TO THEM HONEY, REMEMBER,[size=200] IT CHANGES NOTHING[/size][i][/i]” (*he even makes hand gestures, waving his arms like a little child*) O.O O.O O.O Dude, so we should forget the WHOLE thing? IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER AT ALL??????? Why *sshole? WHY? He completely contradicts himself here. AND he’s one of our main characters, it’s impossible to ignore this statement. Can anyone else see this[size=100] GIANT, MASSIVE, ULTIMATE HOLE IN THE PLOT IN THE HISTORY OF CINEMA???[/size] *Hollowhead, a company man from Weyland nows says that they knew sth about them...Well, guess we can forget about ALIENS, ALIEN 3, ALIEN RESURRECTION then, because Weyland -Yutani calls Ripley a moron when she tells the story that happened in ALIEN, she even gets upset about it. "All this this BS, you can kiss all that goodbye, and in ALIENS they only sent a rescue mission because they couldn't believe her. Prometheus only logically ties in with AlIEN."Crew expendable". How in the world are they going to fix this???? I can’t see where this story is going to be honest…. Prometheus 2? HAH…complete bollocks of a story that will be if they let this scene in. Holloway killed off the myth all by himself… Ridley let Lindeloffhead rip off the franchise he started himself...
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@Magellan 9: 1 & 2: "As far as you are concerned, they are in charge." These were Weyland's instructions; therefore, he was pretty much free to act like a twerp without retribution. It was made pretty clear that Holloway wanted, above anything else, to speak with the Engineers. He didn't want to find an archaeological dig or dead aliens. He wanted much much more. That's his bag. It was such a disappointment to him that he hit the bottle. Some people do that kind of thing.
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Zzplural "As far as you are concerned, they are in charge." These were Weyland's instructions; therefore, he was pretty much free to act like a twerp without retribution." Agreed "It was such a disappointment to him that he hit the bottle. Some people do that kind of thing." Agreed TO ALL Was there something in the 10 minutes deleted scene that he forced himself upon Shaw ?
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@Gimme - I'm equally confused about your beef with this scene, it's an extension of the disappointment he showed in the original cut. How does this single, abstract line spoil it for you? Also, who is CD in Titanic?
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Did IQ's just drop while I was away LOL. Love this site/franchise/ people. Here's what I'm saying....He literally says "It changes nothing" (1000 percent sure) This definitely takes place in 'Holloway's hungover" Now, if he doesn't care (and he's one of our main characters), why should we? They cut this scene because it didn't work and that makes me wonder, what else have they come up with that's a complete insult to anyone who has ever 'really' seen ALIEN...
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And CD is Celine Dion, I know, her name is Rose Dewitt Bukater or sth...
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@Gimme: I'll take your word that Holloway says "it changes nothing". You have previously explained by this that he meant "[the expedition] changes nothing". And? You might call that exaggeration, but it's not inconsistent. He [b]does[/b] care about the mission but in his mind it's turned out to be a complete let down. I'll repeat: he didn't want to find a bunch of rocks and dead aliens. He wanted dialogue with them; to find out about their culture and the vastness of their travels. Compared with that tantalising prospect, what they got was little more than a few cave paintings. Did you see how high he was when he first saw the Pyramid? His whooping and yelping in excitement that went right through Milburn and Fifield? And the big crash of events when all they got was an ancient head? No, his words are completely in character. Of course, later events reveal much more of what's going on. But by then, Holloway is dead, of course. He doesn't have the opportunity to revise his opinion.
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IN HIS MIND HE NOW LITERALLY SAYS IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MAn...
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So he says what's on his mind. What's the problem?
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@Gimmeafacehug: Now it's Céline Dion lying on a sofa in Titanic? Haha! I didn't know she was pursuing a career in acting, I heard she's a good singer though! I think you need to consider smoking less s**t. Seriously. I've been there myself, I know what it's like... - Let me make an incision. - Okay. - Go up, 40. - Did you see that? - Go up another 10. - Maybe it's a little... - ...too much. Go down 10. - Down another 20! - I'm trying, it's not going down. - Full down. Ford...stop it! - Oh, God.
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Can someone actually explain ther problem shortly without caps lock? What is so upsetting about Holloway? Yes he said that because he wanted to talk and see and touch engineers and Shaw was fine with one simple little head. I don't really see the problem. . .>_<

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Why does everyone assume there were psychological tests in the first place? It's not a NASA mission. It's a privately funded mission to save the life of an eccentric narcissist who wants immortality. He needed guinea pigs that would do insane shit. Not totally sane people that wouldn't put themselves in harms way for the mission. I'm sure certain people like Weyland's "crew" towards the end and the mission security had psych tests but as far as the rest of the crew I'm sure they were hand picked for their faults instead of their attributes. Weyland saw Shaw's faith as a tool...He saw Holloway's ego as a tool...He saw Fifield's anti-social behavior as a tool...
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Oh, and @Gimmieafacehug...They were DELETED SCENES for a reason. I know everyone thinks or thought that the deleted scenes would save the film in their eyes or completely change it for the better or give us all the answers but they're not going to. I've said it a million times and I'll say it a million more, I've never seen a deleted scene that Ridley took out of his own free will, without the influence or orders of others, that would have made any of his films "better." By "better" I mean in the overall sense.
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Well I still liked the deleted scene and don't really mind them on the release. Effing hate Weyland. . . should be left out from whole movie since I hate him so much. . .

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@Gimme As someone else has pointed out to you the actress in Titanic is called Kate Winslet, not Celine Dion. That's a pretty basic error which you even had chance to think about it in your response. Minus 1 movie trivia marks to you. Secondly, stop just mindlessly yelling "he said it changes nothing!" Is your argument seriously that "the character doesn't care so why should the audience care?" because if it is then I whole-heartedly disagree. You're not even entitled to your opinion on this one because you're just wrong. Remember Hudson in Aliens...."17 days, we're not going to last 17 hours." Pessimistic characters are nothing new in movies so please do us a favour and get over your little rant.
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The deleted scene shows how much Holloway is majorly disappointed that after he and Shaw discovered all the pictograms they were led to "Just another tomb". He wanted to meet his maker, ask questions, discover the truth to his and mankinds purpose, destiny, reason for being and he was denied this beacuse he believed them all to be dead. He believed all they had discovered was just another hypothetical dead end. That is what he meant by "It changes nothing." In his view no were no answers, no revelation, no meeting with our creators our gods, just an empty tomb that proved nothing and changed nothing. The scene actually holds more gravity later on when Weyland says to Shaw after she learns that an Engineer still lives - "What would Charlie do now that we're so close to answering the most meaningful questions ever asked by mankind? How can you leave without knowing what they are?" Shaw is spurned on by her own faith and that of Holloway's to discover the truth, ask the questions. Holloway's statement doesn't unravel the movie or its drive, its motivation it actually gives it credence, purpose.

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^^^ What they said above!!
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I was going to post a " Those stupid scientists!" thread but much of what I wanted to say has been said here.      Nowhere in Prometheus did I hear that these were the best minds money could buy, on the contrary that statement was conspicuous by its absence. These people were flawed, weak and arrogant, which was quite efficient for putting them in harms way and atypical of the heroic scientist stereotype. I don't think Fifield was even a geologist. I would have been perfectly happy with the classic personalities but I'm just as happy with these more realistic depictions of humans in way over their heads. They screw up, they die. The AI watches with interest. Shaw turns out to be the only one with any pluck. Sound familiar?      Of course they were put there to die. True of the script, true of the mission.  A few words from Holloway changes nothing. Bring on the sequel!
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@Snorkel...PERFEK!
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@Druzilla "You're not even entitled to your opinion on this one because you're just wrong. Remember Hudson..." Hey buddy, we were all wrong... Hudson's phrase doesn't affect the franchise one jot... He's just scared that they're not going to make it out alive. And...he was right. Holloway now says that IT (*all this, the entire discovery, the reason why we're here, why the audience is here, all the ALIEN fans) changes nothing. So...huh...has he seen these structures, urns, black goo etc. before???? How, when?? Does the dude even realise what he's saying there? That's what I'm trying to say here...and now, I'm going to leave it at that. No way you guys ( sorry, we're all entitled to our own opinion) are going to convince me otherwise. @engineering I know, sorry, I'm glad they left this out. @snorx It's not in his view anymore...He now 'KNOWS' it's a dead end, just another tomb... what gives?
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Chuckle. Some see the glass half empty, and some see it half full. All Holloway see's is that it's Miller Time, all the time!
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