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When David touches the blood on the control panel, it glows a very predator-blood green. Its not the same as Engineer blood. It's a different alien. The running engineer who dies, dies before he gets to the door. He is obviously hit by something. He doesn;t look like he is tripping. Possibly,he was hit by a predator. According to AvP movie, the predators had been guiding the humans for at least 10,000 years to build large pyramids and other structures, and using them to breed Xenos to hunt. Perhaps the Engineers are actually a servant race of the Predators, whose job it is to create fertile hunting grounds.

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Rubirosa
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Yes I agree with both of you @BigDave and @Hal9000. Both of you are true Alien fans and respect the past.
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Just to clarify, I have nothing against the original Predator concept/franchise although its sequels (especially "Predators") are questionable. And I still don't understand how Adrien Brody and Laurence Fishburne (both fantastic actors IMO) got sucked into that! Well, I guess we all go through rough patches and need a bit of extra cash every now and then. Now there's a "Predators 2" on the horizon? Oh my. As for the AVP series I wish they'd never happened in the first place, no offense to all the fans out there...
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I also think that it may be a lil pointless to EVENTUALLY tie Predators in....however like some of you agree....it would be UN-Just to us ALIEN, Preadator, AvP fans not to somehow tie in one lil part of the Predators in these movies....since instead of the AvP movies being what they were.....we know that from the AvP story was written period...Predators and Xenos share each others stories somewhere in the ALIENS franchise and the Predator franchise.....honestly we all loved this movie andseem like relgious addicts to our child hood no.1 movies....we love the Engineers story and we are giving our opinions on why and how....but the Ulitimate....ultimate...end of the line journey for us ends in the AvP multiverse....i love the ALIEN movies by themselves...i Love the Predator movies by themselves...."OK....WHO's Next?" -Predator 2...and I own and STILL watch both AvP movies also.......but we all in the end want one or two movies that just connects everyone together period...because WE know they are.....so RS is just the directer and the main person who wanted to launch the project from the get go...but not the writer....but i think TRUE writters and directors should give the fans what they want...so hopefully they will....
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And the "Elephant" engineer idea seems waaaayyy unbelieveable...imean the first ALIEN movie having the big space jockey was just a scaling thing...remeber that movie was made in the 70's and the movie was going to be unlike any other movie abt aliens...so i think there was no such thing as an elephant jockey...and the engineers came from them too...it seems to me...its just the engineeers/space jockeys period....and remember like someone else mention the atmosphere was diff....so it ddnt oxidize in the way like it would have if O2 was present....and it became fossilized...the jockey blood and chemical make up...would have made the fossilization process different...which may have made the original jockey look bigger then it really was....just my toughts......I Love this game.....
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No offense to any of you, but the basis of this film was a prequel to the Alien franchise. Be honest with yourselves, would any of one be anywhere near as interested as you would have been about the film if it had no connection with the Alien franchise at all? Would you have still seen it? Would you have even watched a trailer for it? Many of you will no doubt say yes but you and I both know that it was the marketing of this film being an indirect prequel to Alien that got it the press and advertising, not the basis of it being a film about "where we came from". This, my scholars, IS canon. Sorry
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Sorry guys, but those Engineers were chest-bursted by xenos or something similar. This is an interesting theory, but it is stated in Prometheus that the Engineer bodies had "burst from within" There were holes visible in some, just like the crashee in the original Alien. Seems more likely an outbreak/infection, especially given they were experimenting/utilizing Xeno DNA or something very similar. Also, the Engineer falling to his knees is also clutching his abdomen, as if being ripped open right at that moment. The cool part that I like about your Predator theory is the Invisibilty Ability of The Predator. This would account for the attackers not being visible on any recordings, and why the entry appeared to have been Blasted In. That being said, Alien and Aliens are the only 'Canon' films in the series, Ridley will NEVER incorporate the Predator into his world.
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Random side note: THE GREEN CRYSTAL was originally a bowl identical to the one the Sacrificial Engineer drinks from in the first scene. Ie: presumably not Predator DNA. It seems to contain an altogether different substance than the BLACK GOO. (Not a mutating agent but a dissolving/dissembling one used specifically for the Seeding Sacrifice.
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@Ribirosa: [i]the original Space Jockey idea of having its nose attached to its chest is not daft in my opinion. It might look silly to some, including you. But to me it looks very terrifying. Its different and macbre.[/i] I agree with you on that 100%. It is H. R. Giger through and through. His paintings are often full of bio-mechanoid creatures that are bonded to their surroundings. The claustrophobia of such is disconcerting. The pinning of the SJ to his seat, and his snout to his chest adds to the claustrophobia. This is so deliberate, it is no accident. We'll agree that he is terrifying and macabre.
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There is some kind of misinterpretatin on the post above. ALL the advertising material (Everything) was tied by the Juggernaut images as well as the Space Jockey scenes...those are the images.... No DAMNED XENO nor any Queen or whatsoever (I like James Cameron, but sad was the day Aliens came forth). So the ties of Prometheus, since its beginning, are with Alien (Not Aliens and all the nonsense coming later...dogs, predators, what next? Cats ? Maybe not as Jonesy was left untouched..inate allergy to cats?) and ALIEN alone. The imagery there are homagges and references probably asked by Fox Execs, but I doubt any of those blockheads would EVER finance another Space Ants vs Dumb Grunts movies, only buying this project because the potential success the Space Jockey theme would bring, because fans of the first Alien ( and some fans of the original do not touch the silly sequels) to support and make the idea extremelly successful, and the story would call for new fans to whom the Space Ants (worst than Space Ants, they are Mutant Space Ants) would never really appeal. It is not a success for being a continuation to the monster movie, but because it would address some of the tantallizing images from the first movie, and the derelict on that lonely moon, forever screaming and forever sending its weird audio signal, pleading for anyone listening and able to understand to NEVER land in that forsaken moon... I still keep that if they had explained the SJ as they are doing now, there would not have been enough interest to start something like the Alien franchise spent due dumbness of the sequels. As it was said before, the Monster Theme was already pointless (Mutant Space Ants killing humans = everlasting boredom). Canon...if you really pay attention to Alien, its dialogues, its premises and its imaging (and includes the so well detailed book as well) the only canon aroud is ALIEN alone, the rest were just matinee monster movies, and I would prefer Cloverfield than those, for it at least had some intriguing imaging) And there are some inconsistencies (aha, being modest here) in continuity even with ALIEN itself really appaling, and they might not even address them just to keep their beloved Muscle Guys on scene...like one of the really original things there, the audio signal, with its alien weird voice in it, which we KNOW now was not from these "engineers" . Avoid if you you desire, as some seems to really like the steroid guys, but those cannot be the SJ that left that audio going...we know after seeing Prometheus they are not the same...so poof, there goes continuity if they choose to keep them as the same... Some can say they like what was done to the ALIEN stry with the sequels, but calling them coherent and really original is hardly justifiable. Say you like it , it is all right, but better not classifying as canon everything, for the support reasons for such claim hardly hold if reasoning and observation is applied... On a side note here, I like Predator and Predators, they are very good movies, and the Predators movie is a very happy event, for it IS rebooting and revitalizing the Predators, who were being sucked down by the dying Mutant Space Ants movies (now without the grunts - oh, yes, that was the originallity I see....)
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I would like to thank you for agreeing with me @zzplural. The elephantine Space Jockey possibility is what the Alien universe is all about. We cannot explain the universe as a whole. We can speculate about its origin and come to various theorys. One thing is for sure, the universe is eternal, cold and very dark.    Now in saying that I would like to say a few more words. Yes @Avaphunter there are a few die-hard fans that would like to see a Predator/Alien tie in. But those die-hard fans are a small group called AVP fans, I would expect that you are one of its members. You choose the name yourself. No my friend true Alien (meaning the first movie) fans do not care for the Predator/Alien tie-in. In fact the AvP movies have brought nothing positive to the table. They look more like well produced cable films, and not cinema quality material. As long as Ridley is directing his Alien/Prometheous franchise, AvP will be just a word in there minds. They were badly directed, badly cast, and badly written. Im sorry to say but the Predator race will not be included in any future Alien/Prometheous projects. You can bet on that.     Also the Elephantine Space Jockey is awesome. It is what we as humans call unexplainable, terrifying and macbre. It is everything HR Giger had in mind. Giger who was influenced by HP Lovecraft's Chtutlo mythos. Which is all about horrific monstrous space gods who came to earth milliones and milliones of years ago. They are huge grotesque life forms who created the human race by accident. Now how can you tell me that the Elephantine Space Jockey possibliity is unbelievable. I agree with you it is unbelievable. But that is what makes it so original and creative. Its a creature that cannot be explained by human standards. So it being unbelievable is a perfect discription of it. Thank you for adding that word to your post, even though you probably though it was a negative comment. But in reality it describes the Elephantine Space Jockey to the tilt.      I also have to add another important point to my post. Im sorry @warrior7 but Prometheous was never made to be a prequel to Alien. Ridley explained it over and over again in different interviews that Prometheous was not a prequel. What it was, was a movie that takes place in the same universe about 35 years in the past. And yes any true Alien fan would have seen Prometheous even if it was not about the Space Jockey itself. Come on, a true die hard fan follows and supports what he likes. At least I can say that because I am a trueee fan.           
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i've said it on other threads that pred's created aliens... its stated in pro', that engineer's bassically kick started our evolution off, but everyone is taking it as the engineers were basically the first space stage species out there. we dont know that. what we do know is that pretty much all engin tech was bio-mech. the only item we see which isnt bio-mech on the planet is... the vials of black goo. the big question is though, which puts me off preds making the goo. is the fact the engins had soo many vials.. there was 1000's in 1 ship. and david state's there were dozens of ships... dozens * 1000's = 100,000's. i doubt they stole that much black goo... you dont need a sea of salt to find out its salty?. get my drift. but the pred haters are pissing me off. preds/aliens/engins/humans/squids would put the avenger's to shame.
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but.. with that... as someone else stated a few of the engins' were apparently "chest busted". is this not the perfect way to get aliens to lv233? here's my theory, as engins have "perfect dna". or as close as it gets, every engin thats hugged, births a queen. you see 2 or 3 engin's escape... where do they go? to the ships!. how far into space do they get before the busters in their chests or chest, as it'd only take one. before they busted out and caused the ship to crash?.. a few days tops. that would explain the xeno imprint in the "tomb" where they first find the vials. its the only logical explanation for how the xeno got to lv233. now, to pred blood etc. how did the contamination get out? what we're they running from? if a xeno outbreak did really happen, the xeno would've taken the body's somewhere which explains no body... taking heads for trophy's?. preds only take the heads of THEIR kills. not just any head. so any xeno kills would be left alone. also, they would only take the head if they had the spare time. the xeno's may have been un-expected by both engin/pred alike. so they retreated before they/ engineer's alike got wiped out from that planet. just some speculation :D go deacon!, king of the xeno!, first truly intelligent Xeno!. go "get sum!!"
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@warrior7........i will raise my hand and admit as a fan to everthing you are saying.....WE the fans knew exactly what the movie was....Ridley Scott:-"....This is not a prequel!...."......US FANS after watching the movie- "......Dude.....YES it is....lol"......so yes from trailers i would not have went the first day to this movie if i ddnt know what it was in relation too....and i might not have seen it at all if i ddnt.....
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I won't argue with you, Rubirosa. Ridley did state that he was trying to move away from the Giger-style, bio-mechanical, pseudyo-sexual world of Alien with Prometheus. It is it's own story (but only just barely I might add seeing how the two main actors are helping producing the sequel). But even you can't deny the blatant undertone which literally climaxes in final scene in the lifeboat. And as far as the shot with the piles of dead engineers go, we are yet to hypothesize a "non-xeno/deacon/predator" theory. The story will no doubt take us deeper into the world of the engineers, but I doubt that we've seen the last of the deacon or xeno. But I admit, a predator would be a stretch, however not ENTIRELY unlikely. You probably have read that Scott might be taking a backseat to this one. Still love y'all and your comments, so please continue to do what you do best :)
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@Voidhawk i qoute him in regards to our beloved ALIEN sequels....(leaving Ressurection out...ha..)...: "...and I would prefer Cloverfield than those, for it at least had some intriguing imaging)".......Void....come on...ummmm do u know that ALIENS directed by James Cameron set a waaayyyy new film and vidoe standard....think about...how many movies since ALIENS came out that has a crew of ppl all getting wiped out ono by one by something..or someone....right plenty....HALO and other video games that make milloins of dollars are direct results from ALIENS...period...research it......bad ass space marines getting picked off by these bad ass creatures.....people to this day still love movies like that without knowing about ALIENS...dude read reviews about when ALIENS came out....and then read reviews about crappy wasnt worth $10 movie Cloverfield....i remember how disappointed people were...and me...regardless of the way it was "shot" Mayb ALIEN 3 and Ressurection i can see u having conflicts with...but ALIENS to a lot of us did not at all disrepect the first one....just raised a question like "hey....what MAY happen if....." thats all that did....my girlfriend ddnt know shit about ALIEN movies...i had her watch ALIENS first....then ALIEN....then Cloverfield...she likes ALIENS the best...lol...and still watches it without me....i even like both versions of ALIEN 3....since Xenos take on qualities of its host the dog made since.....the bull ddnt but o well....but still i mean were would Halo...and DEAD SPACE and Space movies...and Predator be since Predator was actually writtien waaaayyyyyy after ALIEN and ALIENS.....if it wasnt for the ALIEN sequels...no love lost tho...
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I agree with every word you wrote @AvPHunter. I myself would accept a Alien/Predator tie in, if it was done the right way. I will have to disagree with you @iPlatinumSouledi about the possibility of the Xenos being created by the Predator race. My reason for saying that is, from what we have already seen the Engineers seem to be a race that deals with the tampering and the creation of different lifeforms, and also the teraforming of barren planets. They may be a violent race also. From what we say from the Engineer in Prometheous it seems that he at least as an individual being was very aggresive. But it does not mean that his species as a whole is violent. But the Predator race is ultra violent. There have been quiet a few film that have featured the Predators already. Violence seems to be part of there culture. The hunting down of other lifeforms, including there own (we saw how they dealt with there own kind in Predators) is also part of there culture. The kill seems to be what life is all about. In saying that, I to this day have not seen any of there race as beings who create. We have only seen them as warriors. So I do not agree with you on that opinion. I view them as a destructive race. At least that is what I have seen from them so far. In saying all of this I would like to state that this type of constructive discussion is fun. Even though we do not agree with each others opinions as a whole. It is a good thing that we can come on to this web site and talk about a franchise that we all like.
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Good exchanging of ideas is always fun. About the movie ALIENS...and I am talking here about only the qualities of that movie alone ( NOT tying it with the really original and interesting ALIEN concept) was a really wel done movie. Critics back then even stated that the movie was a sequel deemed successful because it has a quality dirction, a well developed effects team, and had a real good pace in action. Those qualities I will never deny, as I even bought the ALIENS Uncut version to watch... And that is as far as I will go... ALIENS (and only that movie forth) introduced this (for me bullshit) xenomorph adaptability. Only that movie forth showed the (another bulshit) concept of that thing adapting to its host as to change itself. From then on this Marvel like mutating concept was introduced. In ALIEN it was only said that the creature could use any biological being as a HOST to its LARVAE phase, which is sound and well thought as a bioweapon design (I stated he reason in another thread so I will not repeat it al here) and there is nothing from this All Altering Magic Juice, which has, sadly, taken place as to be put back in track on Prometheus, when they had the chance to bring it back to what it was originaly, and a really more interesting concept it was. The utility for that as a weapon is that it would NOT change into anything but keep its characteritic and fenotype, because THAT was a killer design. Change, CHANGE AND CHANGE, and you may end up with something useless and unmanageable. Poor, even stupid design, for a bioweapon. Now make it able to use any large biomass (yeah, large. Jonesy was left untouched in many scenes...enough to show us that the creature was after the crew, as any well designed bioweapon would do - going after potentially dangerous targets, and use their mass to replicate itself as designed/programmed) so ignoring small biomasses/not deemed as dangerous at first analysis was also proof of a very well designed weapon (product of a really advanced culture in a possible great conflict making it necessary to create such a weapon. That was part of the tale of the original ALIEN, and called my attention back then as a so well designed science fiction plot. ALIENS and all its sequels brought comics reasoning and, if analysed, useless elements to something that could have been (and already was) a great concept. I know many here seems to love this All altering DNA ideas, and the xenos, and whatever, but if you think a bit about all this concept entails, there are many, many things that do not hold together... I need to state that I am a Science Fiction fan, and writer in working, and I look for good science fiction in any movie that tries to insert itself into this genre, and I think it is really sad that the science fiction movies are being made by directors that even say they are doing so (Ridley said something purporting this, I recall) and this brings forth only action oriented, contraditory movies. Then do not do science fiction...make fantasy or heroes movies. I was really entertained by The Avengers. You have biotech, you have aliens, and you have tons of nonsense going forth, but it was ot science fiction, and nothing to provoke our minds, but just fantasy/action and that is that! LotR is epic and even stuff for thinking but fantasy is fantasy. Now science fiction when well made is so, so entertaining and mind provoking, but there are times directors should think less market and more integrity to a concept and content. Well, tha is my opinon anyway, as a fan of science fction and a fan of ALIEN (Sequels Off) As for Predators, it is another well developed concept that was sucked to a dying franchise for money reasons only...trying to revitalyse a dying titles (Aliens) and ending up being sucked by its dwon momentum. They saw that and are now revitalyzing the titles (quite successfully I think) and the sequels to that are coming, and they alaredy stated that these sequels are conected to the FIRST movie and FORGET all the rest, which was a daring and refreshing position! Some have the necessary nerve to make something right. On that note I will follow these new Predators movies avidly. About Predator's culture, hard as it might be for me to say, but the Alien Vs Predator original comics and books were well developed and executed, and we see there they are not mindless killers. They are a warrior race with cruel rite of passages and cruel sports, but they have a culture with we can communicate and even understand, and in reality they had a good control over the bugs as well, although not perfect, as to be able to use them. They disconect its plot with ALIEN for there only Queens can lay eggs, and that was the key to use them. They respected courage and strenght, as to even accept humans among their ranks IF they prove themselves, so yeah, it was a well developed idea, with good comics and books into the series, but with horrid, terrible movies which killed te whole concept. For everthing there are fans and even space. Create parallel stories and such, but then we fans of ALIEN original concept also should have the right to expect sequels coherent and following what thrilled and charmed us in the original, instead of taking sequels with ideas and concepts so far from the originality and provoking ideas as the original had. And do not mistake themselves, this All Altering DNA stuff (a biological Philosopher's Stone) is not original nor a good science fiction idea, but comes from hero comics and action oriented stuff. Can be enterttaining, but it is not original, nor mind provoking, nor good science fiction Want to se how something like this comes good and works? Then read Iain M Banks Culture novels...that is original and with concepts way more thought over than this stuff that Cameron created and that so entered, sadly, the sequels from Alien...
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Right!
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And what about Vickers? She s not human. She s not dead either. She has superhuman strength. And she s not a robot. Janek can confirm. She s organic, a replicant. Remember those? Maybe even the military type. A quite decent alternative to a Terminator. Just dont bring Batman and Robin into the story. That would ruin it for me...
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Edward, you are my first and last troll encounter.
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C'mon, Titanium, you're tripping.
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I would discount the Predator..or any entity ouside of the Alien storyline. Clearly there is a fright/survivial instinct taking over the Engineers' life. Plus that tripping/beheaded Engineer has a few issues to clear up. I don't it was anything relating a gas or atmosphere poison. THeir movement demonstrated to my eyes it was something physical, large and dangerous. Why is this the only scene booted up from the recording archives? Something is controlling what our crew is seeing, experiencing in our story. It seems like I have typed a few words on this subject but still no answers have come forth. A broader view is needed and hopefully that will come in P2. Bring on the Creators and other species they have engineered. That is why I think another form of Engineer..and Enforcer of some type was chasing them. I sort of know that the running scene was 2000 years old.. It occurs to me that maybe the Engineers didn't belong there? Maybe a race of beings were there but overtaken by what we call Engineers. They were running because they were found out and literaly had to run for their lives.
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While that idea is not canon in my opinion, its a nice idea to play around with. LIFE IS A HUNT. The Predators seem to have a high respect for the ever going lifecycle, wherever life blooms.
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I think the green goo is to do with th bio-mechanical bone ship ( juggernaut) it seams its everywhere on control panels and holographic imagers in the pyramid as for the engineer who fell over he was infected and I guess it got too much for him but when he hit the deck the door severed his head halting the infection process no predators. Its best to keep both universes separate .

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That "green" substance is not alien blood at all. Its a type of non-organic recording goo. You could easliy see the electricity or chemical energy when he opens up his fingers. In fact I think thats what all of that liquid that Fifield said "maybe it aint water". Its some kind broken down material that turned to a watery-like substance. The different Glyphs could be from a real ancient alien being that knew the secret to finding 'PRIMORDIAL OOZE'. The Engineers could have actually been studying it and then it back fired in their faces.

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We need a movie that ties this all together. We NEED to find out: A: What Liz and David to after Prometheus B: The relationship between the Predators and Engineers C: What happened before Predators and did the Engineers have anything to do with it? D: Just WHO created the Xenos? I MUST know! WE ALL MUST KNOW!
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The engineers weren't followed by Predators by Xenomorphs. One of the Crew of the Xenomorph accidently let out the virus and turning himself to a xenomorph and killing the whole crew. Only one of them got to away by going to Stasis. The virus was directed for humanity and that's is where they were headed before the Prometheus crew destroyed the ship.
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The residue on the control panel is from engineer tech for sure. That's why David says "impressive" as he examines it, you can see the nano particles, still active after all those years. Think of a very old battery leaking acid. I love the Alien and the Predator, but there is absolutely no way Ridley Scott would ever introduce Preds to the Prometheus universe. If he does, I'll eat my copy of Giger's Necronomicon II!!! :-D

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First off when the head of the Engineer explodes on the ship its blood is green, you can also see it splatter off when he gets shot at the end. Predators have green blood and so do xenos. Secondly that decapitated Engineer was not infected until he was decapitated. The head fell into that "Tomb room" and became infected then. OR It was infected and by decapitating the host the goo becomes inert. But the other Engineers ran into that room WHY? What was chasing them? Two look back i think and then one collapses. Why would they take refuge in a room with that goo?? Hope this sequel doesnt turn out to be TMNT2 SECRET OF THE OOZE... :P Anyway...it could also be that the Deacon was not recorded. But the other Engineers are found with thier chest burst open in another area. Now...where is the giant facehugger thing to impregnate them? what happened to xenos? deacons? where are my pants?? 

Ridely did not like the AvP movies but I never heard him speak ill of the Preadtor movies..Is he trying to bridge gaps? Fix the canon? Probably not but Prometheus is going in a slighlty different direction. Theres a universe with us, Engineers and Xenos. And he is exploring the Engineer part now. 

The only thing that puzzles me are why there are two different types of Engineers. And the fact that they look like they worship Death or Satan or something. Giger is a known satanist and some of his art is apparent of that...But the tech engineers seem viloent while the diaper wearing ones seem peaceful. The tech suit is obviously integrated into the ship Enigneers. While the others just wear robes and diapers..why? Two different ships as well..I have watched the movie a ton of times and see different things each time..its kinda cool. I suggest everyone do the same thing ;P

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Here is where I get lost. 

 

If you go in chronlogical order (meaning when they take place, not when they were made), it would be both Predator movies first (second one was horrible) AvP 1 & 2, Predators, Promethus and the all 4 Alien films. 

The only connection between Alien, AvP 1 and Promethus is Peter Wayland. He was considered to be dying in AvP 1 and was dead in Promethus. 

At the end of AvP 1, the dead Predator has an mutated Alien pop out of him. I thought that is where the landing scene in the first Alien film was. They find a dead ship, unknown to anyone and all these eggs are on it. 

Now, I hear that the ship in Promethus that flies off at the end could be the ship from Alien 1??? Anyone as confused as I am??

I know this is coming in late but my reason is that since 2012, I have watched all the movies again, over and over, trying to figure it out. Now that a 'sequal' to Prometheus has been annouced, I am starting to get ansy. We all know it is connected. But all we have is supposition as to the how, why, who, etc. Please help me understand haha. I BOTHER MY BOYFRIEND WITH THESE QUESTIONS.

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Well welcome aboard...

 

Let me try and help and explain...

Ok well you see Alien and Predator are two sperate universes, and AVP tries to tie both in but in another universe... its like you know how some say there are many alternative universes where there are more than one of say yourself? or Myself... in one i am typing this right now, but in another i could be what? In the Army or Navy away on duty, in another i could be married with kids etc etc....

This theory is alternative universes based on same thing, so what i do does not link directed to alternative universe of myself.

Another way to look at it is movies.

Have you see the 1990s Batman movies? the first with the Joker played by Jack Nicholson? Now if you have seen the newer Bat Mans and the part 2 the Dark Knight then the late Kieth Ledger plays the Joker. Now while these movies are both based on the Batman Universe and both have the Joker in.  They are alternative versions of the universe.

The Joker comes from a different way in both those Batmans and the events of the old Batman Series does not link in anyway to the new movies, only as far as having a Batman and some same characters.  But the stories of those old movies do not  link with the new ones.

The old ones follow each other and the new ones are a different way to tell the tale of Batman a Reboot of sorts well ALTERNATIVE...  thus they are not canon to each other.

Same thing with the new Superman movie compared to the old ones in the 80s, and how you have the Superman TV series Smallvile that is not connected to the new or old movies only as far as being about Superman but just a alternative story.

And with Aliens its the same, Alien, Aliens, Alien 3 and Alien Resurection are connected as canon... Predator is not connected to Alien as far as Alien timeline..

But Aliens are to a degree linked to Predator as we see Alien Skulls and Space Jockey in Predator movies.

The AVP Franchise started as comics based to explore the connection with Aliens Skulls in Predator movies, this franchise then went on to become a Game Series based around the Alien movie timeline. And then the AVP movies which based this tale around the time line of now.

But again the AVP movies are not and can not be linked to Alien or Prometheus, but thats not to say that the AVP movies can not be considered to link after Predator 2 and Predators etc.

Hope i have not confused you too much lol

This does not mean that there will never be Predators in Alien universe as far as Alien films, they could ad them to it by showing us them in a Prometheus part 2 or 3 but i dont think they ever will.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Now onto the Alien Ship and one at the end of the movie.

The Ship in Alien has been crashed there for over 2300 years before the crew of Nostramo found it in Alien.

Ridley had said so, you see Alien is set not long after Prometheus aswell, and Ridley said that the event that killed off all those Engineers etc happened some 2000 years give or take before the Prometheus crew got there, and that the Alien Ship the Derelict had crashed on LV 223 some few hundred years before that.

The ship was carrying most likely Eggs and either going to the place in Prometheus from some unknown place but only got as far as LV 426 or most likely it left the place in Prometheus with Eggs but only got as far as LV 426.

Somehow one of the Eggs had got free, well had been compremised and somehow the Space Jockey had got Face Hugged, and this most likely was when he went to investigate some warning or error in the cargo bay and he got Face Hugged.

He then was most likley unconscious like Kane was, and when he awoke he knew he was infected and he rushed to the Pilot seat and knew it was only matter of time before he would fall foul to the Chest Buster and then he headed to the nearest baron place to Qaurantine his deadly Cargo as it had been compremised.

As he set the nearest course to a baron world LV 426 he set off a Warning to inform his race of went went down, and during trying to land on LV 426 he must have been Chest Busted during the last few seconds of the planned landing.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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I cant wait for the story to be complete and show there is a major connection between all races whatever it may be heres an idea all the people who dont think theres a connection just dont watch the movie just sit and wait for them to pump out another lame one type of alien movie again like they have been doing how about we bring back 60 year old Weaver/Ridley maybe then Alien fanboys will stop crying ...I love seeing how butt hurt people are because the movie stories were mixed get over it its better this way nobody is lineing up to see any of these stand alone movies cause in reality they suck alone people saying please god no in the thread smh Predators+Engineres+Xenomorphs = Epic

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Well we will be seeing some Comics from Dark Horse this year that will losely tie in to each other and may make a connection with the Predators..

Thats not to say that the Predators are Canon to Alien, but they are to Predator so by that they could make another Predator i.e 3 (not inc Predators) or as that movie is supposed to be like Predator 3 well the third movie, they could do a Predators 2 and show us the Xeno in that sure.

Or they could redo AVP and set it way in the future in the same timeline as Aliens i.e set around 2200 +

As for if Prometheus franchise showing us a link to the Predator i am not sure it would.

The Predator could be introduced if done right, but i think the AVP movies kind of damaged the image of the Xeno and Predator to some and thus i cant see them make them Canon to Alien/Prometheus.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Could the Predator have actually sprung from the black goo?

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