Viewer Complaints Explained

@Moonman.......Ridley said it was a very loose prequel which is LA for.....crap I can't fill in all the holes so just go with it anyways I know he didn't "want" to do a remake but that is what Prometheus ended up being. It was just too similar in development and execution. I suspect the formula was partially based on the idea new generations are seeing this and since A79 worked so well for the younger crowd, let's roll the dice again.

@Prenihility lol yeah i agree some things could have and should have been done much better but i guess maybe your a bit over critical but then again thats your own opinion and some may think the movie is instead the best thing since sliced bread. I dont have a major problem with a lot of the things you dont agree with, i dont think they was as bad. For me the main thing was the movie had a massive potential. Sadly... 1) The movie was going to find it hard to re-invent the Alien Franchise, and while they was trying to make a movie that was not about the Xeno, the movie would still be compared with the Classic 1979 Alien and thats one massive BAR to get over. 2) They tried to cover too many plot elements which in order to do needed more time and depth on certain areas including some better use of Characters and Pace of the movie. 3) While Ambiguity is all very well, sometimes with Lindelof he comes up with so many ideas that he seems to think "hey this would be great" and do it, then "what about this" and "hey this would be cool" but while doing that he basically does not think of how these different elements would combine to fit together. There are other flaws, but mainly above says most of it. But you know what when you consider the deleted and alternative scenes, these seem to add to some of the gaps and plot holes in the movie, some things that sounded well out of character and a bit silly and odd made sense with the deleted scenes. Vickers and Janek is one, where he would rather hit on Vickers than worry about the two crew still lost in the Temple but hey you cant blame Janek and i dont think its that bad a character use, but for Vickers the cold and calculating corperate member who has no interest in the mission sucess only that she gets the company off her father. I found it totally out of the Character we was being shown her as portrayed of, to answer to Janeks "are you a robot" with "my room 10 mins" I would rather her said, well i am off to bed and i guess you wont find out" But the Janek fills Vickers in Scene adds to that and when seen it makes the previous scene not look bad, as it shows Vickers is actually lonely and human. This scene and the King has its Rein really add to Vickers Character. That scene and the extended Engineer and David Scene really add to Weylands. Bottom line this was a decent movie, that needed more depth and time it needed 3 hours to pace the movie, but the main thing was..... IT WAS BUTCHERED IN THE EDITING ROOM SIMPLE AS ;)

[b][i]Janek crashing into the juggernaut[/i][/b] Well it was a bit cheesy yes and especially Ravel and Chances actions, but then this kind of thing happens in a lot of movies, in particular regarding the Captain. As the saying goes the Captain always goes down with the Ship. And Janek did have a good idea of whats going on and what the Engineers was cooking up.... Thus he knew he would have to stop the ship or else there would not be a home to go back to. [b][i]Stupid scenes, like Shaw crying. Holloway taking off his helmet. Holloway being in the movie[/i][/b] Well this was a traumatic event for Shaw, was she supposed to be the tough as old boots Ripley? I mean David had more emotion than Ripley did at times lol. Shaw went through a rough ride and in the end she toughened up and the alternative ending shows that. As for Holloway taking his helmet off, and his character well he is a cocky arrogant character well we get them in real life, i know 3 people who make Holloway someone you want to snuggle up with like Gizmo rather than punch lol. End of the day they did detect that the atmosphere was clean and better than Earths and that was by sensors on highly advanced Equipment. [b][i]The scene with Fifield and Millburn.[/i][/b] Yeah this did have some problems, i think Fifield was fine and well done, the problem i had was how the hell did he get lost when surely he must have been used to caves and he also had his pups and should have communicated with the ship to find a way out better. Milburn well he was just a very over excited Biologist he never had much caution and was a bit silly, but hey i have seen Steve Irwin behave that way many times and most of those he knew he was dealing with something deadly, and still did a Milburn lol.... Also some people would get so excited, let take those who really would love to see a real Alien, if a Grey came down in their back garden some would get so excited as opposed to run away and that excitement would override their natural fear response. Trust me some people are like that. Ultimately i think they should have explored the Hammerpede more, i mean how did it kill Milburn, the Hammerpede seemed to just jump out of his mouth as if all it did was just suffocate him just as if you was forced to swallow a sock. I think Fifield killed too many crew in a short space on his rampage the same with the Engineer, and it would have been nice to done more with the Hammerpede and see the one that jumped out of Milburn attack someone else etc. [b][i]The Engineer actually dying[/i].[/b] This had to happen to show the end result of the plot well sub plot and that was ultimately the end product from Shaws Xeno DNA Hyrbid Fetus that resembled a Face Hugger. Also just because the Engineer died does not mean thats the end of their race.

Given the mix of life forms going into the Xeno it might work to give them the water bear ability to survive in open space, which could tie in the Xeno Ripley tossed and show why it didn't really die. Don't know....might be cheesy. I'm still confused on the Xeno/Deacon connection. Since the Xeno on 426 was not the result of the interstellar orgy on 223 the Deacon must have a different end result. Ridley said the ship on 426 was the brother of the ship on 223 so regardless of A79 saying the 426 ship was there for a long time, he might try to show 426 came from 223 after the orgy ended.

The only change I would have made to the appearance of the engineers would to make their body color fluid. It would show an advanced DNA system of automated assimilation to the atmosphere and would have avoided the avatarish 9 foot blue humanoid imitation.

@Uneeque How dare you compare the Engineers to the atrocity that is the blue cat-people in Avatar!

I'm sorry.....but I wonder if Cameron called Ridley after the screening and said "Good call on the Engineer's design. Good way to remind people of Avatar 2!" Sorry.... The title to this sequel should be: "Prometheus In Paradise"

@@Uneeque Ridley comment was to let us know that the ships are one and the same kind. [img]http://www.blackcanyonclassics.org/images/Classifieds/101_1161%201965%20Mustang%20%28sm%29.jpg[/img] Here is a 1965 Mustang... Derelict and Neglected [img]http://www.stangpit.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/1965-ford-mustang-green-fastback.jpg[/img] Same Car in Pristine condition, well not same Car but is... as one is looked after and in a different US State to the other left to rot. Oh thats just to show they are the same kind of craft and yes they can be different internally... [img]http://www.visitingdc.com/images/air-force-one-interior.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.aircharter.uk.com/images/aircraft/Commercial/Boeing_747_200_Cabin_lrg.jpg[/img] Both are the same plane on the outside a Boeing 747-200 Oh one more difference to explain cargo bay in Alien.. [img]http://www.wiseoldgoat.com/images/thunderbirds/_Thunderbird2open.jpg[/img] Maybe the other Derelict had a extended Cargo Hold under it to cater for the Eggs?

[b][i]I'm still confused on the Xeno/Deacon connection. Since the Xeno on 426 was not the result of the interstellar orgy on 223 the Deacon must have a different end result[/i].[/b] Well here is my theory and i will try and explain it as easy as i can... Xeno Organism = Broken down like Sacrificial Engineer to make new substance in the Urns. This substance was passed on to Holloway who passed on infected sperm that some how infected one of Shaws Eggs and Fertilized it. A Embryo at the basic stage 1, in most creatures on Earth all look the same. [img]http://home.honolulu.hawaii.edu/~pine/book1qts/embryo-compare.jpg[/img] Look at the above and notice that the top row all look similar as if genetically they all look the same, as they grow they take on DNA of the Parent in the Womb and as they develop they resemble more of their Parents, the Organism starts as a basic Embryo and grows/evolves in the womb until at latter stages it resembles the Organism it would be born as. Thus at Stage 1 the Embryo has far less DNA to rewrite and thus the Black Substance will mutate the embryo to a Organism that contains less Human DNA compared to Xeno. We can thus assume if Shaw as already pregnant and say half way through, and then David injected the goo into her 4.5 month old Fetus then it would not turn out the same as the Squid, it would turn out maybe more like the one Fifield Concept or like Ripleys Baby in Alien Resurrection, because the 4.5 month old Fetus would all ready had started to evolve into a Human Fetus and thus more DNA needed to be rewritten. This is why i believe the Baby Squid Shaw had, contained the most Xeno DNA of all the Organisms we saw in the movie, despite looking a little different we could see similarities to a Face Hugger and it behaved in the same manner, i basically attached to the Host and then produced a Chest Buster... only the Deacon was much larger than the normal Xeno one, well because the Face Hugger Squid was larger than the normal Xeno one. The Deacon being born from a Hybrid Face Hugger Squid that has Human DNA, means it also has Human DNA compared to the 100% Xeno Face Huggers from the Egg. Hence no Tail, and the more Humanoid look to it, and also the teeth and jaw. I therefore assume that the traditional Face Hugger attached to a Engineer may produce a larger Xeno than the normal ones we see in Alien/Aliens but it would not look like the Deacon, it would grow to have a tail just be more bigger than the Xeno..... And ultimately the hole in the Space Jockeys chest in Alien supports that as the hole was no where near big enough for a Deacon sized Chest Buster.

@david.....so are you going on the theory the Xeno far predates Shaw? For the DNA explanation, she was not impregnated by a human. I didn't see you cover that part. Otherwise, good attempt to explain it.

Yes i would say the Xeno predates Shaws Baby and i would also go as far to say they predate the Urns. I would assume that the Sperm that Holloway transmitted carried the Black Goo Virus, but you know it may not even have to be the Sperm... you see you do not use a Condom just to stop having kids, its also to protect against STDs and the like. You could have male who has a Vasectomy and Female who has her ovaries removed... safe to say they cant produce a baby so why use condoms... but if one has HIV well they could pass it on to the other. So my point is that yes maybe the substance could also be passed on just as a SID is? But its safe to assume that has Shaw is not effected in anyway aside from her Fetus that it was the Sperm that carried the Black Goo Virus infection to her Egg. As far as details about the Xeno/Urn relation well check my replies on this thread. [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7023]Secrets of the Black Liquid[/url] Thats not to say i am correct mind ;)

@big dave.....David did not give Holloway the black goo. It was only the chip used to make it. When David opened a canister he pulled out a squid like body then retrieved the chip. The goo was not made by the chip alone but by combining it with non human substances. Ridley was asked to explain the connection between the Deacon and the xenomorph and he said the DNA attached itself to the first alien on 223. The deacon is also the proto alien which means Shaw predates A79. We don't yet know if the infection effected Shaw. Hollowway was given a straight chip and it took him about 12 hours to begin mutation. Shaw was given a contaminated sample and we saw her for only a couple of hours before the movie ended. P2 could begin with her transformation.

Well I agree with most of what Pren said, for I was upset at first, but I am trying to reserve a bit more critics in order to see what will come from Prometheus 2 and 3, but it is undeniable that the movie let a lot of ALIEN fans down, and promised much without really delivering , maybe due the very last scene, as he went as far as saying at first that Prometheus was devised to have nothing to do with the previous franchise, and then changed to be a prequel of sorts. Lets see what will come, but some of the things we saw so far can be misleading and we end up being surprised in many levels. As for the movie itself, one of his interviews really said that this movie would have " strands of alien DNA" but this seemed to be a figurative image, and not a straight to the word thing, as he ended up doing a prequel. So this statement gives a possible false impression to some viewers a stronger conection to ALIEN movies which probably is not the case, just him trying to hold his ground (he does not want to tie these movies with the dead Aliens franchise) without shutting all xeno fans out at before showing his product). He wants to depart that old concept and this was wa way to do so and still using the Space Jockey for the new series (It was always the Space Jockey, and even back in the 79 he said something about that dead alien on his chair, long dead. Probably this movie was indeed a kind of premise, a way to present some elements and then the story will unfold on later movies. About the derelict, I seriously doubt he will change it so much as to contradict himself, and all we know about that ship, and make whatever happened there a recent event. In the past he even said that alien on the chair was dead for millions of years, but now he stated that whatever happened on that ship took place at least 2000 years ago. It is near enough to the time they decided to wipe Earth for any reason, so it might be connected, but it happened thousands of years in the past. That whole scene reeks of old age, and it is a very good part of its mistery and charm. Both movie, director and sanctioned novelization are clear the ship has been there for a long time... The broder thing about the ships does not make them necessarily even from the same planet, but just that they are engineer design, one of their ships, and a different one in important aspects, one of them being the bridge itself, as the original derelict is somewhat larger, and there are no hypersleep chanbers nor control panels in the rim of the round elevated area where the Chair sits. Clear different design, and in order to keep continuity integrity that detail should not be discarded not ignored. External overall design does not make them all equal, just part of their millitary probably, while the big, round design is a exploratory/seeder model. And about that, on each better pic of the Shell ship its hull resembes the juggernaut hull (platewise) and less details are just due its massiveness. Now one possibility ties that ship with Earth and might tie to the actions on that base. We might see that Earth was a strategic point in the conflict they were in, and Earth was target for annihilation due this reason. We know the derelict downed there a few centuries before or after the facility in Prometheus fell, near enough to be connected to it all. It might be revealed on the next movie or not... The important thing is that he might (for good) donwplay the xeno as a tool, albeit powerful, and let it rest. One thing about the chamber hits me now: We saw the murals and the images, but on one image a Engineer does seems to be controlling a xeno-like or a zombie like creature, implying the engineers were the masters, and although we see those xeno murals, the most proeminent feature on that chamber is the Engineer Head, making it implicit that, whatever they had there, They, the Engineers, are the Masters of all we see there, at least on that facility.

@Uneeque i thought the crash scene would have been better if he yelled "Q'APLA!!!"

@void hawk........he said in the French interview the connection is the DNA attaches itself to the first alien. That is obviously not a figurative statement. He did not say the first time the dna attaches itself an Alien.

Your interpretation, as it is a somewhat loose comment from him But I feel more than just me does see it as a figurative imaging to the concept. Is more logical to his position before and is coherent to what he keeps saying. Ah, I will post some of the ideas I posted here on the Prometheus 2 thread as well. Many ad stuff released here also implied there, but we will need to see the sequel to be sure

@BigDave Well... You pretty much summed up what was wrong with the movie. And... that IS the main flaw of the movie... But that ONE flaw, has multiple paradigms of shitty-ness to it... Too short. Covering too many things in one time? Yeah... and... think of how that affects the ENTIRE movie. I'm not going to go further into anything else... i just don't have the energy for it... it's all been wasted on ripping on Prometheus. I've moved on. I've started the megathread for the series, in the Paradise discussion. But... i still can't help but think of what could have been. And. The Engineer dying might have been necessary to show the Deacon. But ask yourself... 1.Did they really show him as an entity in the movie that was pure EVIL? Did they really try and make the audience have that sort of mentality towards the Engineer? They sure as hell didn't! He rips open the door to the lifeboat. Shoves Shaw. Kind of... grabs her... and then gets caught by the body-humper. 2. What was the significance of showing the Deacon in the end, really? It might seem like the most arbitrary-ass question, but think about it; What the hell is that specific Deacon going to do? There's absolutely nothing on LV223 for it. What's to become of the Deacon? It's going to do circles around the lifeboat till it dies? If we get a flashback to when Shaw and David leave LV223 in Paradise. And we are shown a run-in with them and the Deacon, then i'll put that to rest. If...say... we're given acknowledgement that the Engineer WILLED it to happen. It wasn't just the word of the body-humper. It WANTED to give life to the Deacon (because of that ever so coincidentally designed suit). Then i'd say "OK, fair enough..." But if the Deacon was shown at the mural, maybe even a little clearer than it was. That would have been so much better. The subtlety, combined with the mystery, and reactions of everyone in the audience who is familiar with the Xenomorph would have made it so much better. *Focuses on the mural* *GASP* But no. It had to be nice and CLEEEEAAR. We had to see it come out of the Engineer at the end. Come on... Give me a break. Something much better could have been done by the Engineer. Example; Engineer runs back to the temple, before going to the lifeboat. Takes the green gen that has the Deacon's DNA in it. Makes himself a nice cocktail out of the black liquid, and contents of the gem. And willingly turns into the Deacon. DIRTY! And in the end, we could have had a nice, but relatively short battle between Shaw, and the Deacon. Or maybe she could have just escaped its grasp. I don't know. Use your imagination.

@Void, a loose comment? Are you serious? He gave a straightforward answer to the question of how the deacon and xeno are connected. If they were unrelated entities it would be pretty dumb for him to say the DNA attached its self to the first alien. When he said Prometheus would have "strands of DNA" he was describing the movie as a whole and it was referencing similar elements to A79.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/emVs8.jpg[/img] If my memory is correct.... the rumor was let out from the beginning that we were going to the Space Jockey home world and that wasn't the case. Not to say those Outposts weren't interesting but in fact they are just that and more. But there is no more, it's like a juicy carrot in front of the donkey we are riding in the desert. Ultimately there are no aliens....WE ARE THE ALIENS and the aliens hate our guts! [img]http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_craneos/cran_ing_compskulls.jpg[/img]

The main difference I see between A79 and Prometheus is that in A79, we catch glimpses of the xeno throughout the film, and then the rest is left to the imagination until what we need to know is spelled out at the end. In Prometheus the same approach has been applied to the plot.