How Did the Engineer Get to the Lifeboat?

or maybe a wizard did it [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/xena-simpsons2_7008.jpg[/img]

Wizards seem to be the only way out for this film in many ways :D ... but even me a person who really hated parts of this film can believe that engi was ok for a up to 20 minutes or so outside - makes sense totally when you think how advanced there knowledge is of bio engineering and there superman physique - what doesnt make sense is the humans helmets taking off and going whoooo :P .....but thats been done so many times I cannot be bothered any more with it :S ... Thank fek Holloway is dead thats all I can say ! Probably best bit of the film him dying!

Don't hate me for this but in Avatar we can see that in Pandora a great diversity of life survives in a toxic environment for humans beings. [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/jake-sully-y-el-coronel-q_4b4f03f40e606-p.jpg[/img] And on Earth some simple life forms such as Cyanobacteria can survive in hostile environments. [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/201012-omag-awe-tour-yellowstone-600x411_thumb2.jpg[/img] But if the Engineers are similar to the Homo Sapiens, well then maybe this guy is just more stronger than the humans beings and his metabolism and fitness level is superior. LOL Which brings me to the Colonel Miles Quaritch when leaving the bunker to open fire without his mask in an atmosphere of high carbon dioxide concentration. [img]http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s402/Albertocrazy86/0833755.jpg[/img]

He ran really, really fast, and then ripped a whole in the side of the space pod.

isnt he wearing a biomech pressure suit? but yeah the helmet issue..... maybe he is a breath holding champion? lol

I was wondering if the air in his lungs would expand or something like it does in the vacuum of space exploding them unless exhaling lol. But yeah the absence of a helmet was the first thing I noticed.

hmmm maybe they are hardier then us and can breath other gasses maybe just for a short amount of time? i didnt notice the no helmet issue, now its bugging me!!

Damn I can't wait for the Bluray! It's been a great long time since I've enjoyed a movie to this degree. I've been an Ancient Aliens show fan for a while, but let's face it half of those ideas are brought to light by a crackhead!

No one needs helmets in this film - its not supposed to be a realistic film - oh maybe it was :S...

we dont know enough about the engineers (culturally, technologically, physiologically etc.) to determine anything one way or the other.

well knowing the engineers have a long history of space travel, and visiting many other planets, I would assume their bodies have adapted to use oxygen more conservatively, or something like that.

like whales?

He left the helmet at the entrace.LOL. This movie is stupid.

[quote]like whales?[/quote] well you saw the bodily reaction of the humans when they got out of the crayo - their bodies were not ready for this. As to the engineer, he slept for 2000 years and he just coughed twice and stretched and was ready to continue his mission

They didn't need the helmets to breathe on LV223. The helmets were armor against the bioweapon. Edit: that is just my opinion but I base it on two prior pieces: At the beginning the Engineer is not wearing a helmet and breathing just fine. Primordial earth would not have had free oxygen so they don't need as much as us. In the holograms you see the engineers running with helmets on while in the ship, so to me that said they were used as armor and not for breathing. The decapitated head explodes.....possibly due to too much oxygen in the room reacting to the artificial stimulus of the nervous system. The engineer was killed at the end by the trilobite, so there is a reason Ridley had him take off his armor between his ship and Peter's hot tub. Okay....maybe more than two pieces.

Well first of all we have to remember the planet is not as toxic as you may think, basically apart from high levels of CO2 and Nitrogen, its similar to Earth it has a Atmosphere it has gravity. Just has to many toxic chemicals that would be harmful to us. Some parts of Earth are hostile to live in due to naturally high CO2 levels such as around some Volcanoes. Now this applies to active ones and if your right next to them. Also if you stand near a Wild Fire after it goes out there could be dangerous levels of CO2. Ford states that 2 mins and you would be dead, so we have to assume that a Human can tolerate the Atmosphere for a short period. Dont forget if you take the average person and stick them in a room that has 0% Oxygen they would die after 3-5 minutes usually, someone under water can go about 1 min with no Oxygen before they drown. But back to the Engineer well there are a number of possibilities. 1) The Engineer discarded his suit outside the ship, before entering as he knew the ship would contain a breathable environment. 2) The Engineer was able due to his physical attributes, get from his Ship faster than any human could manage. People who claim to have seen Big Foots say they can cross a area and over high fences in a mater of seconds what would take a average man much longer. 3) The Engineer is able to tolerate the atmosphere longer, due to many being accustomed to the toxins to a degree due to how long they have been exposed and work in that environment. 4) The Engineer has Superior respiratory system and can maybe hold his breath for longer, or some part of the pressure suit helps filter toxins for a limited period such as the neck area of the suit. 5) The Engineers simply can tolerate the atmosphere and do not need suits to survive in it period.... It could be a combination of the above....

Hold on a minute, BigDave. [i]txeriff[/i] has illuminated the darkness by proclaiming above that "this movie is stupid". I'm not sure that I can accept your cursory explanations in the face of such a powerful and detailed analysis of the facts.

lol... The movie is done in a way that there is no clear explanation to anything really. It could be something no one has mentioned yet... maybe he has a teleporter... dont rule it out ;) Yeah one of my points is we can assume who the hell did he get to the lifeboat with no helmet... But unless we was actually shown a scene of him getting from A-B like how we saw Shaw get to the Lifeboat and then to the Juggernaut after to get David, then we cant rule out that he DID/DID NOT have his suit on. I would assume that he never, and i would assume that by foot even for him that it would take longer than Shaw did to get to the Jugernaught which in movie time was about... less than a minute without even seeing the crashed ship so we have to assume it took her at least 90 seconds, thus would take the Engineer even running a good 5 minutes. He was not out of breath though, maybe they dont get out of breath but i doubt that. So like so many things with this movie there is not enough evidence to prove or disprove any theory... Again this is maybe thanks to Lindelof again, who like so many times in Lost comes up with a good idea, but then fails to come up with and cover all bases of how some things work or connect etc.

Just saw the scene where Shaw gets to the Lifeboat you can see the ship in the distance, now i look out my window and i have a field and i can estimate roughly the same distance. And it appears to be as far as where there would be a School which in a straight line would take me about 7-8 min walk not taking into account rough terrain. So yeah maybe it took him like 4-6 minutes then, and who is to say that he cant breath outside for what 3-5X longer than us? We just dont know.

If you look at the helmet they take off of two-left-feet, there is nothing but armor revealed. The long snout coming down (even on the Engineers who kept their heads) is not attached to anything. It probably had small holes for air exchange but the long snout looks like a tactical construction against something trying to get in their heads. More importantly, if you have the travel resources of the Engineers with millions of planets to choose from, are you going to set up shop on a planet where you can't breathe?

[b][i]"survive the atmosphere pressure differences?"[/i][/b] I dont think thats the case, as i said this planet/moon seems similar to Earth apart from the toxins in the Atmosphere. If you emitted all the CO2 that all the Cars in the World Produce and have that daily CO2 all pumped into the air across the UK, well you would not be able to breath in England. If you stood in a office and had say 20 Cars with pipes connected to their exhausts and pumped the CO2 into the office complex well again you would find it hard to breath but that does not alter the Gravity, Pressure etc of the place. The main reasons are the toxic levels of CO2 and Nitrogen aside from those its safe to assume the planet would be habitable. If we could all of a sudden place vast vast Forests on that moon and find a way to reduce Nitrogen levels, then eventually the planets CO2 would drop and Oxygen increase. If all Plant life was to die tomorrow and never grow back, it would not take ages for some areas of the planet to become toxic as the Oxygen levels drop and CO2 rise.

'The willing suspension of disbelief' lets us accept the existence of: David as a synthetic human, the medi-pod, atmosphere generators, light-speed space travel, cancer is cured, so why is anything so crazy? Especially a race of Engineers we know scarcely anything about........until 'Paradise', I hope!

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I think it could be a combination of things you mentioned BigDave but have you ever considered some of the similarities in shape to the Atmospheric processor design; even having a similar set up for the way they enter it/ the way it's raised off the ground? And that the air could have been being processed there on a massive scale? In fact we pretty much know oxygen was being produced inside the temple. But what about outside? What if when David opened the door and allowed oxygen into the sealed chamber he also reactivated the Engineers' version of an Atmospheric processor? And that from that point forth it was converting atmosphere directly outside again. It started to clean the air of the toxins again, but also caused the storm because the planet had been started but not completely terraformed. Along with allowing the oxygen, pressure change, and moisture to deteriorate the urns inside the anaerobic environment. What if Holloway is completely right when he says they WERE terraforming here? What if the planet had been terraformed to that point, and that's why it almost matched our atmosphere. But when that door was sealed and the outbreak happened the facility had been improperly shut down. I mean they disturb the Atmosphere in the room below, and the atmosphere above takes a sudden drastic turn (the massive storm which occurs very quickly after they get past the door). Why does the storm strike there of all places on the planet? As above, so below. Janek says something like he's seeing increased levels of something in the upper atmosphere... I think when the Engineer wakes up at some point he realizes the facility is completely active and not just producing air for the interior of the temple... He therefore knows that his possibly increased lung capacity/breathing abilities + the toxin cleaning process starting up again means he will soon be able to breathe very easily outside that Temple. All the other temples have collected as much toxins and other things from the air, have broken it down and recombined it in new ways with the alien genetics, setting as many temples for as much as they need to clean/collect... They'd already taken the most useful and deadly parts that existed in that atmosphere. They search for certain atmospheres and convert them but have also found uses for the other toxins they extract from the air. Sometimes their Elders used to make them return after the planet had been made habitable to set up colonies. With Earth they had to do little work setting up the garden and it quickly became a paradise. Ours was one that backfired on the Elders and rebelled against them, causing the downfall of Paradise/Atlantis. A time when things were much more perfect in the garden that the Engineers/Elders set up for us, then destroyed themselves and periodically returned to to show us where they had gone. And to involve us in a war that's now been raging against the Elders, as an offshoot of them and almost their younger brothers instead of their creation. They wish to lead us to knowledge only to bring humans into their war against the fathers. Funnily enough if the air processing stuff is true, then David's comment about it not being the air is ironic and true at the same time. Because part of the mixture he gave Holloway would have then been in the air originally, concentrated and added to the nitrogen and carbon concoction in a liquid state. Nitrogen and carcinogens causing some of the poisoning breakdown and mutation afftects. The black liquid part, and not the xenomorph genetics part just to clarify what I'm talking about. The xenomorph genetics adding to and amplifying/modifying the base. Because he combined the two. A tiny bit of each. And the engineers have already added part of the genetics to the goo before, but mixing it in the ratio that David does + making Holloway drink it causes different effects than when Fifield is exposed to the stuff directly. The ways that the black-liquid and xenogenetics have been combined gives it its abilities, based on broken down elements of the genetics: the morphing cycle and some regenerative abilities and other traits that make it the perfect organism. However, the Engineers only wanted it in small doses at first until they played with the ratio and weaponized the fire. It's much like how I've been saying that things in this movie are a mixture of things. A prequel and not a direct prequel. An Alien but a new hybrid form called the Deacon Shaw's balance of science and faith. David secretly being more emotional than he's letting on and telling half-truths. In the Alien universe, but a parallel story...

ok, i think i solved the riddle. he was carrying this to the lifeboat [img]http://hudsonweb.net/writer/pics/spaceballs_large_05.jpg[/img]

too soon?