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Assumptions V. Facts

Uneeque

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A common tactic in fooling an audience is to present information in pieces and allow viewers to draw their own conclusions, which are wrong. Regardless of how reasonable an assumption may seem, film makers exploit this quite successfully so I was wondering if we could separate assumptions from facts in Prometheus? A few examples: How do we know the opening scene was earth? How do we know the Engineers are earth's creators? What did the Engineer drink at the beginning of the film? Since the black goo does not kill but only mutate living organisms, what is the purpose? How do we know the Engineers put the maps on the stone markings in the ancient cultures? How do we know the infected sperm from Holloway did not get in Shaw's blood stream and was restricted only to her uterus? I'm sure others can come up with much better examples so I hope those at least show what I mean. An in-film example was telling the audience Weyland was dead but there were many clues to the contrary, one of which was David talking to someone using the Stasis helmet. That was interesting partly because it showed direct communication during stasis which may have implications for Prometheus in Paradise.
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Rubirosa
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Prometheous is great plain and simple. Why are there some people on this site who just love to nick and pick at this movie so much. Or others who want to change the history of both films Alien/Prometheous to there liking by speculating on facts that have already been proven by the older generation of site members. Give it a rest already.
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Hey @Uneeque Promethous is not a prequel. I myself and others on this site have said before that Prometheous is not a prequel to Alien. Mr. Ridley Scott im many interviews expalined exactly what the conection between the two films are. He said that Promethous takes place on the Alien universe. Even that said he also explained that both stories are independent of one another. The deacon is what it is a separate type of alien life. It is not a proto alien. The xenomorph in Alien is a totaly different design. There is no connection between them. What happened in between Prometheous and Alien is in the air in my opinion. Hopefully that question will be answered in the sequel to Prometheous.
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lol another person who has no idea what prometheus is or what he is talking about - fun fun fun! You can close your eyes if you like but it wont make a difference :P ! My god I just noticed the countdowns gone from the 11th to the 9th - will the mess ever end lol!

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@rubirosa......Scott said it is a prequel. He also said the connection between alien and Prometheus is the DNA attaches itself to the first alien at the end of Prometheus.
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Definition of vague (adj) bing.com · Bing Dictionary vague [ vayg ] not explicit: not clear in meaning or intention not distinctly seen: not having a clear or perceptible form not clearly perceived in mind: not clearly felt, understood, or recalled Although vague and ambiguous are also synonyms the main difference is the latter gives a tad more info, hence open more to interpretations.
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Lol are you teaching your self or someone posting - I am confused now! If it is me you are talking too - maybe you should read my posts and hopefully understand them this time! And even though I am on your side - scott appears to have said its not an alien prequel although I have not researched this extensively. He did say it has strands of alien DNA in it :S ...all very ambiguous or is it vague :O :D !

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Scott has said Prometheus is a loose alien prequel, then said in other interviews it is not a prequel. He is not giving consistent info. Regardless, I came here to just have fun and brainstorm about the movie but frankly, it isnt worth it due to the constant personal jabs and posts that do nothing but complain so you guys have fun with that BS. Have a good day and hopefully I can find a forum that focuses on the film versus the constant personal angles. PS. To staff......i accidentally hit the "report" button and don't even know which post....sorry about that. Take care.
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Well from what I have seen so far it is other people such as reporters that said it was a prequel - not seen any of ridley. But this whole thing is such a mess its hard to sift through the crap :S ...

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Not really so much of a mess. The online marketing seems glitchy but I don't have time for it anyway, just for you fine people! Ok, so it started out as a prequel. At that time public statements were made. Then, it evolved into its own story, arguably so new things could be explored and so it could have its own trajectory. Great! At that time, more public statements were made. No ambiguity there, no vagueness. All this was clear just by reading the various interviews, and observing the timeline. It was quite clear long before Prometheus was released ANYWHERE that it was NOT a direct prequel, and NOT an Alien film, meaning not a jack in the box space thriller starring the beloved Xeno. They tried to make it fun, scary and spectacular. They tried to weave ideas into the story that could be unravelled and digested over time. They tried, in short, to please everybody, which failed. They also tried to provide an experience beyond being adrenalized in the theatre, and no where else. There they succeeded. I think it's also clear this film doesn't take itself too seriously. Maybe we should follow suit?
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The question whether it's a prequel (this gets bashed back and forth all the time) most likely depends on how one defines a prequel. I tend to define the word in its simplest form. If the following two apply, it's a prequel: 1. The movies in question are in the same universe. This means that if the movie that takes place earlier in time were to continue, events would *lead* to the other movie that takes place later. 2. One movie takes place earlier temporally. However, I think there are some folks who may tack on more stipulations in order for a movie to be called a prequel. For example, one may be: 3. The earlier movie must end where the later one begins. 4. (there may be other stipulations placed here) In Prometheus's case, we're going to be getting at least 2 more sequels to Prometheus. But an important point *must* be said here, and I mentioned this in a different thread and that is... The last Prometheus movie (whatever that may be called) may *not* end where Alien begins. In fact the events on Prometheus may be taking place AFTER the events of Alien by the fact that Special Relativity is at play with this movie, as Ridley mentions in his DC. We can't tell how much time has passed because it's never mentioned, but we DO know that earth time is NOT New Years 2094 as Shaw mentions at the end of the movie. She's only mentioning what time it is relative to HER. It's much later than that on earth. We all have to keep this into account, as must the next screen writer. I'll bet that in the next Prometheus sequel, we'll find out exactly how much time has actually passed and *that* will put things in perspective.
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Your probably right about the time lapse @Moonman. You may be right about that.
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...And it could be why RS was hesitant about calling it a prequel in the first place.The last sequel to Prometheus may never lead into the Alien story since all the Alien movies took place on the initial Prometheus voyage!
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I think someone worked out that it was about 29 years between alien and prometheus going back from aliens (had dates and amount of time floating in space). But yes if they are traveling in faster than light crafts then it gets a bit more complex - and yer there could be not only time bending but time travel later so it is totally open...this is why star trek has star dates :P ...

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