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skitzes
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 10:34 AMHello. Just watched the movie last night for 1st time and loved it. Don't mind all the unanswered questions but I do have one that nobody seems to be asking:
About the glyphs, or "invitation" to the stars:
1- Why point humanity towards the moon where Prometheus took place? We know it's not the actual home world of the Engineers, so why "invite" all those ancient human civilizations to one day discover it? Would it not make more sense to point humanity towards their home world, wherever that is? What would be the purpose of inviting humanity to this scientific/military moon? Kinda makes no sense to me. Thought on this?
2- Am I wrong in assuming that the glyphs must have been left there by the engineers themselves, or at least made by ancient humans who had been given such knowledge by the engineers themselves, which in turn implies the engineers must have continued visiting Earth to follow up on humaity's evolution and provide them with such knowledge? There's no way humanity could have mapped those stars without direct influence. Simply sharing DNA doesn't explain that.
3- Assuming the engineers were visiting regularly, what happened around 2,000 years ago that would lead them to decide it was time to destroy us?
Thanks, look forward to hearing other people ideas on these points!
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 11:12 AM@skitzes:
These questions have been debated many times on this forum, The search function may help you in this regard.
We don't know exactly who made the drawings or why. The [i]implication[/i], of course, is that humans made the pictures after talking with the Engineers who visited Earth. Since they gave humans language, it's likely they would have described where they came from prior to visiting Earth.
We don't even know that the Engineers have a 'home world'. In my opinion, the concept of a home world is rather 1980s; I prefer to think that the Engineers are a Galactic race and the Galaxy is their home.
A common idea doing the rounds is that Engineer ambassadors to Earth were treated rather harshly by the Romans around 2,000 years ago.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

skitzes
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 11:23 AMgood point about the "home world" or lack thereof... i would tend to agree with you about them being a space-faring race.
i will do a search as you suggested, i'm new to the forum so apologize if i'm rehashing things already discussed. but still... have any of these debates you mentioned go into why they would specifically point humanity to LV-223 as opposed to someplace more similar to a homeworld, if not technically such?
why point us to an abandoned scientific/military moon??

skitzes
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 11:53 AMAfter reading what i could find by searching other threads, I understand now that they star map wasn't literally pointing to that moon specifically, but rather the grouping of 6 stars where it is located. So I suppose if it were an "invitation", which it may or may not be, but if it were in fact an invite, it could have been to the general system and not to the moon they went to in Prometheus.
As a longtime fan of ancient alien theories and books, from Zecharia Sitchin to Graham Hancock etc... I love love love all the possibilities here!
Especially the idea that something happened 2,000 years ago, right around the time of Jesus, that played a key role in the engineers changing their minds about us. Since they made several references to Shaw's Christian faith in the movie, this is all fascinating stuff! Can't wait for more!

Believer
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 1:32 PMThey weren't pointing to that specific planet, just the system where they originated. Which leaves room for the next film.

oduodu
MemberXenomorphOct-07-2012 2:08 PMTo all
Holloway said in the movie that that system had from long range scans showed that there was a planet that seemed to be able to support life .
The configuration of the stars in drawing (the exact ratios of angles and distances betwEen the Stars ) were exactly the same between the stars on all the drawings including the one that was 35000 years old.
So how did a civilisation 35000 years old know of this system And the exact ratios between them with no telescopes around ? That means someone who did know told them .
IMHO
1. It may have been a test to see who would try to visit the system once technology abounded that allowed them to follow the engineers . This may have been an indicateion of dissent and to know their creators became more important then worshipping them .
2 I believe they were made by the engineers themselves .
3 we stopped worshipping them . Ridley(at least that's what I heard) says we were an experiment . What exactly the nature of this experiment was I don't know and why we failed - they had to destroy us to create - create what - I don't know
Just my thoughts .
Hope the 3d blu ray answers some questions !!!

skitzes
MemberOvomorphOct-15-2012 2:06 PMAfter watching again this weekend, as well as the extra scenes, I have a new theory answering my own question about why the "invites" would point to LV-
223 as well as a theory on what the main theme of the story is, and where it's heading, and why it's so easily tying in to the Bladerunner story as well.
The main theme seems to be the relationship between creators and their creations, and the direct parallel between us and our androids relative to the
engineers and us. Basically they are showing us that we are to the engineers as our androids are to us- basically, nothing more than tools- tools made to
look and act like us but modified in ways that suit our needs (strength, intelligence, etc). They were made to serve us, to do our bidding, but they
were also very dangerous and potential weapons (a KEY point, so more on this later). In Bladerunner androids were banned from Earth as too dangerous to
have among us... but they in deed had enough free will to break those laws and return to Earth in an attempt to extend their "lives".
None other than David himself points out the parallel when he has the conversation with Holloway about why he was created and how disappointing it would be for us to hear what Holloway tells him- that he was made simply because our makers could. Throughout the entire film we see disdain shown towards David, most especially by Holloway who mocks him and makes a Pinocchio reference when he says something about David not being a "real" boy (and it's no wonder David seems to "choose" Holloway as the one to be infected with the goo in his pursuit of answers). Weyland himself points out that in his view,
David does not have a soul and therefore lacks the ability to comprehend certain things. But I think Weyland and Holloway are quite wrong about that, and I think that David is asking the same questions about life and why he was created as all the humans were asking, and that he is actually pleased to learn
that ultimately his creators are no different than him, which in a way levels the playing field between creator and creation and "frees" him to pursue his
own survival and evolution. We still don't know what David's ultimate goal is at this point, but I don't see how all of his decisions and statements throughout the film can be attributed solely to programming- there seems to be something more personal at work, something more akin to "life".
Given all that I've stated above about the parallels between creators and their creations, can we look at the events in Prometheus in a different light?
I believe the answer is yes. First of all, let's start with the knowledge that the Engineers were doing some serious bio-engineering on LV-223. The
black goo was clearly a means to biologically alter and weaponize various life forms. So we're dealing with an ancient race of beings that had the
ability to bio-engineer life, as early as 3.6 billion years ago. So the timeline is:
3.6 billion years ago, they come to Earth and one of them drinks some black liquid which causes his body to disintegrate, somehow planting the seeds of
his DNA and life upon the Earth. Over the course of the next 3.6 billion years, life evolves until eventually humans exist. All throughout this time,
these ancient Engineers continue to visit us and check on our progress, providing our ancestors with just enough information to point all of them towards the star system with LV-223 in it. We don't know why, but about 2,000 years ago a ship is preparing to take off from LV-223 with a cargo bay full of
weaponizing black goo, headed for Earth.
Most of the characters seem to believe they were heading to Earth to destroy us because they "changed their minds", but I have a different idea. This was
their intention all along. Not to destroy us, per se, but to "WEAPONIZE" us. They waited for 3.6 billion years until we had evolved to a point where
they felt we were ready for the next step of weaponization. For what purpose I have no idea, but "sometimes you need to destroy in order to create".
By the way, I believe the Captain Janek was correct when he says that these Engineers knew what they were doing and weren't dumb enough to do it in their own backyard. So I believe the reason the ancient glyphs all pointed to the LV-223 system was in fact not an accident and intended to lead us to find
LV-223, as some sort of a fail-safe measure. This doesn't answer every question out there and I still don't understand how an intelligent, intergalactic race of beings billions of years old could suddenly be wiped out to the point where they are never heard from again. But I'm sure we'll find out. That's what
sequels are for.
Hope my rambling was coherent enough to follow. It all makes sense in my head lol. So... any thoughts on all this?

skitzes
MemberOvomorphOct-15-2012 2:09 PMActually, read in another thread some interesting theories about us being harvested by the Engineers via Xenomorph infestation, which also works out as us being used as "tools". At any rate, very interesting.
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