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MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 4:02 PMSo, after seeing/hearing the audio commentary and some other special features on the Blu-ray, I have a pretty good idea what the different scribes were going for and I also think I now know why I was so letdown by this film. I think the biggest problems came out of Lindelof's transition away from Spaihts's more prequel-esque concepts. Spaihts's script was not without its problems, though, (one I think was having the movie set on LV-426) and I agree with the decision to have someone re-write it. However, its as if so many remnants of Spaihts's script were left in there (i.e. the mural), that the movie came off as trying to be something else other than what it actually was: a film within the Alien franchise. I think Lindelof's idea to have the movie not directly lead into Alien like Spaihts would have done, is a good choice, especially since there was not enough years between the films for the engineer to have fossilized the way he was found in Alien. However, in other areas I would have kept some of the alien mythology (is revisiting the xenos for part of the film really that bad?). So, I thought it would be fun to see how everyone would have the story rewritten and I'll start it off with my version, taking some of what I read on this site, and infusing it with some of Lindelof and Spaihts's concepts:
Besides having less extraneous crewmembers, I would keep everything the same, including the engineer's sacrifice at the beginning, until they explore the pyramid. In my script, after finding the dead engineers (who have holes in their chests leaving little ambiguity as to what befell them), skin, maybe some acid or saliva remnants, the crew would reach the urn room just as in the original film. There would not be murals, however, as they would serve no purpose which you will see. One crewmember then gets exposed to the black goo after tampering with an urn and he begins to quickly dissipate in front of everyone, just like the engineer did in the beginning. While everyone gets hysterical over the lost crewmember, David realizes that this cannot be what killed off the engineers and quietly probes deeper, finding a second room full of eggs. While the rest of the crew return to the ship to avoid the sand storm, David stays behind and inspects one of the eggs, as well as the creature growing inside (which doesn't attack him since he's an android, not capable of being a host). Later he returns to the ship, has his "try harder" convo with Weyland and tells the crew that he found a second room; that he would like volunteers to explore it with him, noting that he can lead them safely past the black ooze. To his dismay, Shaw is the only one who volunteers. He then leads her into the second room and deliberately exposes her to a facehugger which attaches to her while she's running away. In leaving, she also manages to lock David in the room (will have to explained with exposition, like "I can get in but not out"). He calls the crew to help Shaw and get him out of the room. While they are deliberating on what to do (Holloway's all gungho of course), David does some more probing in the second room and locates the ship which is also full of eggs. He does his little hologram/flute thing, sees the last remaining engineer still alive and realizes what has happened. He leaves to meet back up with the rest of the crew, who take Shaw, now facehuggerless back to the ship. David examines her, tells her of the creature in her chest; the crew all meet around Shaw and David tells them his theory: he believes the engineers were unable to reproduce and their race was dying off, so they first created the black ooze in an attempt to have the DNA multiply after dissipation and create more of them but as you can see it didn't work as planned, just created different species; Second, they made these eggs which house a creature that lays an embryo in its host, hoping that the embryo would grow into a baby version of themselves. As evidenced by the creature in Shaw's chest, this didn't work either. It was likely the thing that wiped the other engineers out and perhaps some made it off the planet (a nod to LV-426) but many clearly did not; lastly, he tells them that Shaw needs to be quarantined and he goes to wake up Weyland with Vickers. Holloway freaks out at her being quarantined but gets knocked out before he can do anything. Shaw then gets loose and has her medpod scene, but she removes a xeno instead of the squid, which then breaks free in the room, leaving her trapped in the medpod for several hours with it and no one knowing where she is. Holloway comes to hours later, locates her with one or two others and each of them gets killed by the xeno; Shaw manages to escape, lock the xeno inside and watch in horror as it ravages Holloway. All the while, we get Vickers' scene with Weyland and then the scene where Shaw catches them in the act of suiting up to visit the engineer, as Weyland believes it may still have the power to restore his life. Shaw tries to convince them by telling them about the xeno; Weyland writes her off saying its just more evidence of their power; he convinces her to come with them, noting that she must still be interested in who they are/where they came/why, etc. So, she does and here everything plays out the same way. They get no answers from the engineer, just death and he gets in his ship to leave, with Shaw just making it out to contact Janek, saying he needs to ram the ship bc there's no telling where it could be going, could be going to destroy earth with the eggs, etc. Janek rams it with the Prometheus, ship lands on Vickers, engineer gets out to chase Shaw; Shaw opens the door to the xeno, which whips his ass, then goes after Shaw, leading to another epic battle in which Shaw emerges alive. She grudgingly accepts David's offer to fly her back home in one of the other ships, but only after burning the cargo. She burns it all with the flamethrower... except as we see when they take off, there's still one egg left unscathed in the cargo hold... The End
- Let's see who can top that?
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Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 7:09 PMI wouldn't rewrite it-- i'd add everything that was cut back in and substitute in the alternate scenes.
Also adding everything that was planned and scrapped for financial reasons like Weyland's dream conversation with David and the sunken city/mars ruins. And I'd even add in more scenes we've never been exposed to concepts for like the Deacon encountering Vickers' body and using it. Morphing it and rewriting it to make it more clear she was at least partially real. Also to show that the Deacon has the properties of the goo and can morph and rewrite/reanimate dead flesh, like what happened with Fifield.
This would mean a rebirth for Holloway and Vickers that occurs in different ways after the Deacon's birth/Alien's rebirth.. and a showdown between the Deacon Spawn and a reborn Holloway... Progressing to a showdown between a reborn Vickers and a reborn Holloway after Shaw and David leave and the Deacon is born. Holloway is shown to be returning to life in the spot where Vickers burned him-- morphed and changed. Rewritten.
He still has some form of control over his actions and wanders aimlessly outside almost wondering what's happened until he sees the Deacon in the process of morphing Vickers' lifeless corpse.
It somehow knows on an instinctual level that it can't kill the thing with a human form of fire, but must try somehow to stop this creature from morphing the other bodies.
Holloway monster, somewhat in control, does something to prevent the Deacon spawn from procreating or going towards the second Yutani-based crew when it arrives as a surprise ending for this extended edition. He is killed again, but we see Yutani quickly realize this is a place not to be messed with lightly. Because Yutani are secretly like a police force of the world if Weyland is pretty much the King. Yutani's quietly been monitoring what their chaotic king has been up to and may have got them involved in...
They leave as quickly as they arrive after witnessing a few horrors. They touch down and leave after Shaw and David have already left, because their intention was to rescue any survivors-- but they were already all dead or gone. Or reborn as monsters. They had picked up Holloway's signal thinking he was still human, and thinking that when they got there someone was still alive after Weyland's secret mission. The life signs and impulses running through Holloway's nerves and system trick Yutani into thinking a human is still alive like when Fifield's signal came back. But Holloway has been reborn as something non-human. "Sometimes to create you must first destroy".
We know the black liquid has some properties that recreate things after it breaks them down...
The Deacon spawn, however, have been using the bodies strewn about to procreate over the extra half hour or so of movie time, and the Weyland monster ends up getting aboard the Yutani craft...
It would add a lot of the new story elements right at the end, making an approx 3 hour+ version of the film that also explains a little about why the characters act so illogically and why David can't be completely trusted in this version through Yutani's words when they arrive and try to rescue Holloway as he took on the Vickers monster.
Up until the point Shaw and David take off it would be all the original stuff + the cut stuff put back in. I'd call it Prometheus: Revisited, instead of the Extended edition, and it would be more like Prometheus 1.5-- setting up much of Paradise.
The Deacon and its spawn are the closest thing to immortality that we'll see, and it's all because of the Engineers meddling with the Alien genetics and inadvertently enhancing the bio-weapon more than they intended.
This new breed of Aliens has an even shorter lifespan than the one in the original who Ridley said was slowly dying. However this breed is much more chaotic and uses a variation of the morphing life-cycle to ensure survival of the species. They don't eventually spawn a Queen, but instead spawn what will come to be known as a King Alien.
But "A king has his reign and then he dies..." So even though these things can reanimate dead flesh they can't live forever-- bringing back in Ridley's concept that the bio-weapon was engineered with a short lifespan...
And yes in this story Holloway would then almost come to represent Jesus because of his eventual sacrifices, death and rebirth elements, the way he holds his arms out when Vickers burns him, and the fact he may stick around again too and hop aboard the Yutani craft after being reborn and morphed yet again, while retaining control. To attempt to combat evil there and start spreading his message...
He's reborn as a demi-god: a mixture of god and man. He doesn't become an Engineer, he may have been on his path to a hybrid version of that before the Deacon spawn infected him slightly.
Fifield doesnt drink the goo so hes only morphed by it-- not broken down and recreated by being combined with another organic element it came into contact with when Vickers scorched him and brought him to the ground outside. The geysers that shoot up when the juggernaut takes off added enough moisture for Holloway to recombine after he continued to break down.
As I said he would then represent Christ in a way-- the way of the holly, the holy way, throwing his hollowness away and choosing the holy way. Slightly mutating and becoming less like his name which could also be a dig at Hollywood. He becomes an in-control mixture of man and godly/monstrous DNA. Man fused with the divine. He also has a little monster in him from the second time he dies. This coupled with the fact that he's now got a size advantage means we need not see Logan Marshall Green again and this character is only still Holloway deep down. With a monstrous exterior that hes able to control and use to his advantage.
David is going the opposite way and becoming a monster in a different way. His birth symbolizes the birth of the Anti-christ, becoming more and more like the Anti-christ as we learn more in Paradise. Which would make the initial opposition against him and emotions towards Hollyway mean a lot more.
Eventually the Holloway monster will miraculously make a journey to save Shaw in paradise. And well know it may have been trying to.
David finally sees the error of his way in the third movie and ends up sacrificing himself when he realizes hes become a monster metaphorically, and too much like his father.
That might rewrite Holloway and make it so he doesnt have to be completely taken out :)
Holloway was the only one who suspected (or says) that these were not gods. "Gods don't build in straight lines" indicating he is secretly a little more wise than most characters. However, like the others-- he made a lot of mistakes.
He was in it for the glory at first-- the hollow way.
All before he sacrifices himself and is reborn and rewritten. Still attempting to rewrite the mistakes he feels partially responsible for from his perspective... being reborn into a nightmare as a nightmare.
"Battle not with monsters lest ye become a monster yourself, and sometimes if you stare into an abyss the abyss stares back."

djamelameziane
MemberFacehuggerOct-07-2012 5:41 PMRemove hollway completely - get someone to rewrite the whole thing with better character driven dialogue. Plus make it realistic - just have people acting normally ! It so needed a few more re writes - ridley really missed the ball this time but its not totally dead - yet!
"It's almost as if they are making it up as they go along" :D
SubsumeYou
MemberOvomorphOct-07-2012 11:30 PMOn the subject of when Holloway stretches his arms apart just before he sacrifices his life to Vickers as being similar to the mural relief of the 'deacon' figure with the outstretched limbs.
I'm going to say this is a loony idea I'm proposing but here goes:
Now, remember, the other artistic figure of an Engineer placing a hand upon the head(?) of the seated/crouched 'alien'?
What I'm going to say is this:
The 'alien' recognizes the Engineer as it's creator or master and allows itself to be harvested or, in other words, have it's life taken to benefit the Engineer.

oduodu
MemberXenomorphOct-08-2012 12:02 AMTo all
I would keep it the way it is -
Just a little Bit more clues to the demise of the engineers and exactly what was in those urns - I would have liked to see more engineer technology - much more actually !!!

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphOct-08-2012 12:48 AMInteresting thoughts on the hand on the head thing Subsume.
I figured it was about them being in control of the alien or portraying themselves as above them, but now starting to think their could be a real basis to the idea that they use the Alien to harvest genetic material.
It may be fair to say the mural depicts a sort of hierarchy.
In Egytian hieroglyphs important humans were shown to be taller. It's not an ancient alien belief thing going into most of their hieroglyphs that depict tall beings (although their rulers are said to be descended from gods in the myths). They actually depict their rulers as way taller than the humans in the images to denote importance and position in the hierarchy.
The crouching below the Engineer totally seems to indicate that the Engineers were controlling it effectively at one point.
This means the Alien in with the outstretched arms could be a big, central part of their beliefs and past culture.
It's certainly not out of the realm of possibility because the facehugger takes genetic material and transfers it to the chest-burster stage.

Custodian
MemberOvomorphOct-08-2012 2:01 AMthere was a distinct HAND ON HEAD scene in Ridley Scott's Blade Runner, all those years ago ... remember when Roy Batty comes to MEET HIS MAKER (another Prometheus meme) Eldon Tyrell puts his hand on Roy's head and tells him, "But you have burned so very very brightly, Roy," just before 'losing sight' of his own mortality.
Reminded me of the mural, pre-CO2-dissolve.
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asphaltpilot
MemberOvomorphOct-08-2012 10:38 AM#1 - Better character development. It was rushed and left the audience without a good emotional connection with most of the characters.
#2 - Get rid of some scripting that made the crew do stupid actions. "Hey, I'm freaking out here and locked in some tomb with strange goo but hey, there's an alien snake here and its hissing at me. I want to pet it."
"We need to stop that alien ship and the only way to do it is by suicide crash? Sure thing, boss!"
#3 - Put in some of the cut scenes that make Prometheus more contiguous.
I was going to do a #4 on cuddles, but my theory on cuddles getting larger has to do with its biology. I think much of cuddles is actually inflated, like a balloon, given the nature of its acidic blood. He also got to eat one or two of Weyland's security guards for lunch.

zzplural
MemberOvomorphOct-08-2012 3:44 PMI'd jumble some of the words up a bit so that the [i]really[/i] stupid people have a harder time figuring out what it all means.
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