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Little Incentive
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 3:45 AM[b]Scientists are naive:[/b]
But why did they make all the characters so naive? It was like Ridley got his inspiration from some cheesy scary movie. Going around touching shit and generally acting like retards who want to die.
[i]"Hey look, black, gooey stuff. Let's stick our hands in it."[/i]
[b]Scientists suddenly become brave:[/b]
Then there's the scene where the geologist and biologist are lost, scared and bumbling through the cave when they come across a worm-monster-in-goo. Suddenly, instead of being scared and cowardly, they have a bout of braveness and curiosity, and start getting touchy-feely with the cave-slug.
This sudden change of character isn't explained.
Of course, these are the same guys who minutes earlier were notified of life being detected to the West of their location, and they suddenly get their bearings and know to head East even though they got so disoriented that they got lost and missed the entrance to begin with.
Weak.
[b]Captain Janek is persuaded to kill himself with platitudes:[/b]
In a 5-minute scene in the movie, we learn that Janek, a heretofore minor character in the movie, doesn't care about anything outside of piloting a ship. Shaw presses him with one line of dialogue to the effect of, [i]"well there has to be something you care about."[/i]
That one line of dialogue persuades him to kill himself to save humanity.
[b]Janek's ship-mates kill themselves because hell if I know:[/b]
Even if we're to believe Shaw's sentence of persuasion was powerful enough to convince Janek to sacrifice himelf, it still doesn't explain his ship-mates who inexplicably decide to join him, without so much as the benefit of the same pep talk. Everyone just mysteriously knows what's at stake and is ready to lay it all out on the line like blissful idiots.
[b]Zombies:[/b]
I'm so sick and tired of zombies in pop-culture. I can't wait for another 5-10 years until this stupid zombie craze dies down and we can watch movies and news again where they don't try to ram-rod zombies into the story every chance they get. Some of the infected crew come back to life and have super-human strength, which again, isn't explained, original, or interesting.
[b]Scientists in the future are idiots:[/b]
We're expected to believe that world-renowned archaeologists don't know the dangers of removing their oxygen helmets in an alien environment, because apparently this is an alternate universe where bacterial infection isn't a concern. [i]"Hey guys, this dome we found on a deserted moon around a gas giant in a solar system millions of miles away from Earth has oxygen! Time to take off our helmets."[/i]. Even if they weren't aware of the threat of microbial infection, even someone with a basic knowledge of science knows that you also risk contaminating the alien world with your own bacteria, potentially wreaking havoc on their native life.
Don't get me wrong, I like 'Prometheus' - but when all is said and done, it is a gorgeous looking epic failure. It reminds me a lot of my first impression of [b]Star Trek: The Motion Picture[/b], a big budget, amazing-looking epic sci-fi film, that had some nice things within a supposedly trascendental plot of mankind's place in the universe and directed by an aging Hollywood legend.
It was still an epic failure (as a movie, [i]not[/i] commercially) with so many plot holes and people doing and saying stupid things.
Still the hardcore fans could see nothing wrong with it.
Also, is it just me or is HR Giger's Alien creation, the subsequent story and movie far more interesting/horrifying/impressive than some black slime, tiny worms and a half-assed 'Creation of Mankind' story?
Don't get me wrong, it's a good movie, but Ridley got talked into going off at a tangent by some guy who writes ridiculously overdrawn, implausible TV shows.
So, how anyone can prefer the story of 'Prometheus' over 'Alien' is a bit of a mystery.
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zzplural
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 4:03 AM@Little Incentive:
It really isn't difficult. As is said in the movie, "try harder".
The only human that tried to touch black gooey stuff was a pilot, not a scientist. It looked like leaking oil, not particularly threatening.
Fifield remained shit-scared throughout [b]all[/b] his time in the dome. Milburn, the biologist, was quite happy dealing with small reptiles. Maybe he was a snake lover. He certainly showed a lot of affection for the worm-like creature that appeared in a deleted scene. However, he was completely out of his depth on seeing ancient holograms and piles of dead bodies that were running from something. Something that might still be around.
Throughout human history, people have laid down their lives on countless occasions. Janek knew full well the importance of what needed to be done. Especially so with his background in the military. His colleagues have the greatest of respect for him. If they had abandoned ship, it's not likely they would have survived for long, anyway, since the lifeboat's resources are limited.
I don't care for zombies, either. I consider this to be a low-point in the film.
Holloway's recklessness has been debated and explained on numerous occasions. It really isn't out of character. Plus, bear in mind that they believed themselves to be there on invitation, by their makers, who had gone to the trouble of terraforming the atmosphere. Your invented quote did not include the [i]actual[/i] line made by Holloway: "Don't be a sceptic".
The "epic failure" of Prometheus generally amounts to "epic misunderstandings" on the part of the viewer, as you have clearly demonstrated in your comments.
Try Harder.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

NoXWord
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 4:04 AM[b]THIS[/b]
[quote][b]Zombies:[/b]
I'm so sick and tired of zombies in pop-culture. I can't wait for another 5-10 years until this stupid zombie craze dies down and we can watch movies and news again where they don't try to ram-rod zombies into the story every chance they get. Some of the infected crew come back to life and have super-human strength, which again, isn't explained, original, or interesting.[/quote]
Ridley Scott will eventually tell us how the Queen was born.
Right now we have the Deacon; coming soon the Mercury, the May and the Taylor.

David_Eight
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 4:27 AMTry harder my ass. I agree with Little Incentive. Every fanboy tries to explain away the dumb shit in this movie much the way Star Wars and Star Trek fans attempt to make excuses for the dumb ass plot holes in those series. The higher ideas present in this movie make me love it enough to see key scenes over and over. Love the idea of the engineers and the possibilities they represent. I could care less for the Alien tie in even though I love the first three movies in the franchise. I refuse to accept or make excuses for the gross shortcomings or this film. Epic fail? Yes. But like SW Ep III a beautiful fail but a fail nonetheless. Ironically the movie would have been 50% better and plugged some of the larger plot holes had the deleted scenes been left in the movie.

zzplural
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 5:06 AM[url=http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ac_1350358196]Here's something that might be right up your street[/url]
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 7:54 AMIt seems like some simply don't want explanations, given many are plain as the nose on your face.
Holloway: arrogant, reckless drama mama.
Fifield: all talk, easily rattled. Also the only one really disturbed by the idea of something being alive.
Zombies: yes his corpse was reanimated. This gave us an easy to understand example of the power of the liquid.
Millburn: arrogant, reckless class clown. Wants to be Fifields bud.
David: android. Also the only one who actually touched anything gooey.
All of them: in the middle of a profound, spooky discovery far from home. In short, freaked out. And the storm was all you needed to know they were clad in space suits that could withstand a hail of bullets without a scratch. What kind of sense if security would that provide?
The pilot's easy cooperation in killing themselves was the only off note in the whole film for me. Certainly not enough to reduce it to the level of crap.
There's been a lot said here about people needing things spelled out, which is surprising given most things in Prometheus, at least as far as the humans are concerned, ARE spelled out. In great big easy to read letters.

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 8:42 AMP.s. nowhere in the movie is it said that the scientific crew is world renowned, top shelf or even accomplished. It's clear they've never even heard of eachother, efficiently illustrated in their never having met until they awoke. What this also tells us is they had no idea what they were about to do, and that this was not a public mission. Why was shown later when Weyland appeared with his own plans. It's all there.

Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerOct-17-2012 11:47 AMNEWS FLASH - Watch the documentary of the making of Prometheus on the Blu-Ray! That will get you caught up to a lot of things you are upset/confused about here! Ridley himself explains many ideas they had & why.
10 09 12 = Blu-Ray = Answers!
@zzplural - Where do you get that stuff? Hilarious!

8 Pints Of Aspen
MemberOvomorphOct-17-2012 2:21 PMI enjoyed the movie right from the start....but you get the impression they've (Scott/writers/producers/whoever) messed up somewhat so they've now come out with all this 'Answers' BS with the DVD/Blu-ray releases.
i.e. we-completely-mis-judged-the-viewing-audience-so-we've-now-got-to-explain-everything.
And I know movie audiences have been getting slowly and surely dumber with each passing year...but come on.

Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerOct-18-2012 11:58 AM@8Pints - The documentary disc in the Blu-Ray Collector's 3-D Edition was made during the creation of the movie in order to show the viewer what ideas were being addressed as the movie developed.
The documentary was not made after the movie was released.
We could all admit that even attempting to do a movie of this magnitude is far beyond driven!
The documentary is a great way to see Sir Ripley at work in his element.....TRUE SCIENCE FICTION!!

Indy John
MemberOvomorphOct-19-2012 6:31 AM...far beyond driven!
....Cerulean Blue ,,
I liked the Pantera..reference...
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