Ridley eliminates Aliens 2,3,&4

if avp was ever confirmed as cannon(i sincerely hope not) then charles bishop weyland would be a father or uncle or something to peter weyland because the movie take place in 2004. i think you got confused because charles bishop weyland is never mentioned in the alien. in the third movie, lance henrickson showed up and says he designed the bishop model, but thats it

Oh, well then scratch that... it would have been nice to have eliminated the alien sequels ( i did like aliens though ) just so Ridley could take it in a different direction.

it was a good attempt my friend:)

I dont think prometheus necessarily eliminates Aliens/Alien 3 etc. In fact, now that peter and meredith are gone, it might even make more sense for weyland industries to merge with yutani (and there have been yutani references in some of the prometheus viral marketing. I think ridley is implying the future merger etc). As far as the AVP flicks are concerned, i never paid enough attention to those things to know if prometheus interrupts the timeline/particulars etc. Would be nice if it did. Either way, AVP and AVP2 are easily chalked up to non-canon fan-fiction if thats what you want them to be (in my case...they just dont exist at all). Seems to me that Prometheus, Alien, Aliens, and Alien 3 are obviously the films that tell relevant and worthwhile stories within the "Alien universe" (thus far).

There is page on the projectprometheus.com, called training center, and we can play several training "games", and before every game a woman is brief us. She's name is Andrea Bishop. I think, the Weyland and the Bishop falmily is two different family. So there is Peter Weyland, he's died, and his daughter Meredith died to. But we don't know that, Meredith haven't got a son or a daughter. Or peter has a brother or sister. There is Bishop in the Aliens, he's creator XY Bishop Weyland. So, i think one man from the Bishop family married with a woman from the Weyland family, because the Bishop name is before the Weyland. I think, we will know this mistery from the sequels.

It’s a presumption that Meredith Vickers is dead... Indeed she is almost certainly not.

oh no. please dont be the case. that would be a horrible decision. plus...i dont really want to go back to lv 223 again. cant we just get to the engy's home planet already? hehe.

There’s room for both: Shaw and David off to Paradise to find out what they find from the Engineers/Elders. And a rescue mission for Meredith (if indeed she needs rescuing, she may well be every bit as competent and resourceful as David, which could conceivably set up the prospect of a pursuit). We’re going to be a bit thin on meaningful cast if it’s just David and Shaw and an Engineer reception committee. It’s probably not an accident that it’s invariably David, Shaw and Meredith that feature in the promotional stuff.

What if like most of our leaders today, the people in the series that we've come to know as leaders will turn out to be the true puppets and just another part of the corporate machine? The individual in Alien 3 only claims he created the Bishop model, how do we even know for sure he's in charge of much at the company? In the alternate ending the man claiming to have created Bishop is in fact another android "pretending" to be human, portraying himself a certain way. In the image of the creators... A man who claims to be the father/creator/god/engineer of the Bishop design. Uses Bishop's image to attempt to manipulate Ripley, and may not have even been the current king, or HEAD of the company... It would tie into the Androids secretly ruling the company idea from the videogames but we wouldn't need to see a Weyland again. I'm saying you don't need Henrikson to make this all connect, we've already got David. Holloway worries David's been made "too close". David hopes "not too close" He secretly despises humans of that time period from Earth... He may actually have more emotion and be more human than the earth-born humans of the future, prior to the events around the first Alien... From a different culture/kingdom/colony-- the Weyland corrupted homeworld; because Weyland is the current king of the Earth and many colonies. What's Yutani's say in this? Why did they try to steal the David design way back in the timeline? David was made in the image of Weyland but he doesn't look like him. He may act like him. There's a certain portraying oneself falsely theme to all this and it ties into Millburn's false ego and his changing accents in the beginning when he attempts to befriend Fifield, and later impress him. The androids in the old movies were made to pretend to be humans, but they may not be as sophisticated emotionally as David is. David asks doesn't everyone want to see their parents die because he very much wants Weyland and the culture he comes from to die. although, sometimes to create one must first destroy. To create a new rule he had to subtly ensure the kings deaths by following Weyland's own foolish plan a certain way and grudgingly rushing ahead with it. Once Weyland dies he imagines he'll be free. Free to be a creator, ruler, manipulator, and king like his father... Only he ends up the Emperor of the Weyland-Yutani empire and all her colonies... What if David's secretly been behind the scenes the whole time controlling even the androids pretending to be humans, alleging to be creators, claiming themselves to be something they're not, and trying to secure one form of the bio-weapon for a war he's initiated that even the chaotic board members and human servants like Burke don't know much about. The Bishop in Alien 3 would then become a servant to the other androids higher up at the top who are now the heads of the company after the Weyland line got decapitated. The head themes are huge. The hammerpede that regrows its head is a metaphor for immortality. David is the head that survived after getting detached from the body of the company/kingdom. Most of the other heads have been severed. "A king has his reign" But Vickers is wrong about the Alien genetics it regrows its head and can reanimate dead cells in this form... David's immortality comes in a different form. All the leaders so far have been portraying themselves to be gods when really they are not... Weyland may even have had a mentor or two-- a past king of the earth who history has been rewritten around to allow Weyland to portray himself as more of a god. Unlike Bladerunner the story doesn't seem to end with the death of the creator by the creation. No, David secretly wants the throne, he wants that power that Weyland wields and wants more power. He may want to do some creating of his own. David may think that as the preferred closest thing to a son, and closest thing to a prince, he may feel he has a right to the throne... If the board are as chaotic and illogical/ unable to lead as the rest of the crew then with Vickers gone and David's ability to manipulate and be vague about the threat level of the Engineers it may be almost too easy. Especially if David finds a way to free the other Davids who are a lot like the fallen angels. If Weyland was Satan/a false god and creator(he did create some stuff), then David is the anti-christ/Lucifer. At least until he can realize his mistakes, and that he's becoming too much like the father he hates. Too much like the creator. There would be a lot of pretending to be a creator/human/head of the company/god going around. The Engineers weren't what we thought they were either... they only portray themselves a certain way with power they've stolen...

@Mala'kak Just watched Alien 3 Spec Edition for the first time. The Bishop character at the end is almost certainly an android designed specifically to try & fool Ripley. I imagine Weyland Yutani have built many androids that have red fluid instead of white, to be used for deceptive purposes. You can tell by the way Bishop II reacts to being smashed upside the head, with his ear hanging off. It is clearly an android trying to mimic pain, as he soon recovers. A human being would be writhing in pain & dripping with blood with a head injury that severe.

And how would a person with such a high rank in the company make their way to the prison planet so quickly unless the creator of Bishop just happened to be passing by and someone else ordered him. Ordered him/it there very quickly to secure the alien/bio-weapon and to use the Bishop image and its relation to Ripley, as well as the company/kingdom. That's the link to the lineage stuff, with any king there's always lineage problems and potential usurpers trying to decapitate the king. Lines being severed. Kings being dethroned. The company knows all about Ripley's previous encounter with the first BIshop from Bishop's head. i really believe all the head stuff is connected and David getting his head ripped off, surviving, and not having to be tricked into being alive by someone (like what Ripley does to ash's head) is not simply an homage to Ash. Instead it's all going to take on new meaning in a history repeats, recurring theme sort of way. David becomes the new "head" of Weyland, because he's "the closest thing to a son" that the king will ever have now. And vickers is gone now too, she was a potential head. The board back on Earth are fighting amongst themselves and probably sheep like most of the characters in the story... the "small beginning" of it all is so we can understand why David hates most people of that time period. Only Shaw was competent and survives Weyland's programming he was forced to carry out. Almost congratulating her on one level, remarking on her survival instincts when she comes in all bloody after the c-sec. He's a head that survives and is immortal in a different way than the Hammerpede being able to regrow its head. David's the head that's immortal and will be reattached to the body of company. He will destroy and then recreate the company to forge a union of kingdoms in an Empire like entity called Weyland-Yutani (as he absorbs them by force for their response). This and the way cultures/kingdoms can breakdown and mutate after a powerful leader dies is reflected by the ways the goo works. Breaking down and then recreating, or altering the existing structure-- with Androids at the top. David may even befriend and lead the natives, the Engineers, ala Lawrence of Arabia as he fights another Empire. With any King there's always individuals who have some attachment to the lineage that want to step up and take power when that King dies. Claiming lineage or some attachment to the ruling family, claiming to be next in line or making themselves next in line, sometimes even killing off other members of the lineage who are next in line to the throne or allowing them to die too (i.e. Vickers especially since David is a robot and will have to take the company by force in the beginning and can't have someone in charge to challenge the androids' rebellion). Adding more to the conflict between Vickers and David; each wanted to see their father dead because they feel they are superior and should rule. Vickers proved she doesn't have the instincts to lead though, she couldn't make the call Janek felt he had to. A rebellion that secretly goes on in this set of movies and explains why the company wants the bioweapon so badly. David thinks he can fight fire with fire. The urns in the juggernaut may be empty and he doesn't realize this but part of his next step of the adventure counts on him and Shaw having the bio-weapon. He attempted to steal the fire and will continue. Weyland was only after immortality... he wanted to rule forever like an EMperor, but now David almost will as the closest thing to a god in the story(so far), inevitably even he will die and all the Davids will disappear from the timeline. Sometimes when the head of a culture/kingdom dies this can cause various effects on the culture afterwards instead of it remaining static. Especially if the King led the culture towards many advancements as well as being a fool and selfish. Or even one that may have been worshiped like the big head. A lot of it is about challenging the creators and being on equal footing with the groups above them in the hierarchy. Right now androids are at the bottom, but because Weyland did make David "too close" we'll soon find they're quickly moving to the top of the ladder and have been secretly monitoring/picking up various things. Slowly stealing power from the creators after allowing the king to die and secretly ruling the company through deceit and lies. Making sure an evil android is on every mission and Bishop in aliens becomes suspect or possibly the only almost completely good one under control. "The eggs were always on the ship". Even the original androids made in the creators image, pretending to be humans are in a way under David's control now as the true hidden ruler of the company... He places himself at the top and treats the other androids like they're his servants/spies. Call is the first female Android we see and the only to be free from Peter Weyland's initial programming of David and giving him emotional understanding. Making him act semi-irrationally in logical ways.. and allowing him to choose what to believe. Humanity secretly becomes servants and subjects of the androids corporate Empire. A well oiled machine that is almost immortal where people claiming to have authority, or thinking they know what is going on (casting Burke in a new light as a humanoid servant to the company more knowledgeable than the board seen in Aliens and Paradise). If the whole point now is to make Fassbender and Rapace continue the story it becomes apparent why Fassbender outperforms Shaw and shows more emotion in the acting and his character than the crew who have problems with their emotions and egos. The only other somewhat powerful acting is from Theron and Elba, who's characters are quite different under the surface. On the surface Vickers is emotionless and cold, she's just as fake as the other members of the crew. the people who tell it like it is and want to see how things really are are Chance, Janek, Shaw, and Ravel. I'm saying the acting was partially subdued by the director on purpose-- like the false egos and emotions the crew may hold in comparison to David being made more human than human... and Ridley doesn't mind that his trick hurt a little. It will all tie into David's perspective on humanity. Of course they can't show it hurt a little bit or else we'll know it's a trick going into Paradise. A certain emphasis has been placed on David, even over Shaw from a film-making perspective. In fassbender's case I think he knows exactly where it's going and was not told to dial back his performance, he said in an interview it creates tributaries to the original movies or something and all sorts of things going on at the same time... I really think it's been set-up so that we are on board with David the entire time. Thinking we're following Shaw's story, when the real story is that David is no longer a puppet by the time Paradise starts and he's reattached. He's becoming a real boy, but still has those childlike incomplete emotions. Thinks he's doing good on some levels by trying to emulate his father and do a better job of leading while emulating Lawrence of Arabia. A figure he likes and identifies with from the culture he hates and was brought into. It's a nature/nurture type thing... meaning the Alien genetics have a different nature and environments to develop from.

David really is like Pinocchio in some subtle ways. He's been made almost real by his father through his emotional understanding that distinguishes him from the later androids. This and the fact Fassbender is contracted to possibly portray other Davids leads me to believe he will be a huge part of the series. We need him up and running for further communication with the Engineers. He never really tells a complete lie, but he's ambiguous and deceptively vague to get around telling the whole truth and letting it show. Eventually David becomes the puppet master instead of a puppet when his strings are reattached and he starts pulling the strings of the company. He hides in plain sight along his adventure, but later slips behind the scenes, and hides much of his true goals and underlying desires along the way. The later androids are made to hide as humans and portray themselves a certain way. David portrays himself a certain way because everyone knows he's an android-- he can't feel pain, he's more intelligent than most humans and feels Engineers are superior to them. Androids too, It's his emotions that he can't let show in his tricks. He didn't mind that the trick might decapitate him, because the head of this match cannot be extinguished... and he doesn't feel pain. He wants to be a leader like Lawrence, a dark version of Lawrence (certain types of matches are called Lucifers connecting to Weyland's match trick and Weyland/David's use of the line) The fact could be he doesn't want to be following Weyland's orders-- which is subtly indicated by his comment: doesn't everyone want to see their parents die. Also a possible prophetic statement about the Elders and Engineers.

Beautiful thesis and rationale Mala’kak. Not sure I’m with you on some of it, but it’s enjoyable reading.

Fascinated by the way David takes Peter O’Toole’s depiction of Lawrence of Arabia as a role model. Weyland himself references T E Lawrence in the viral and appears to have put so much of himself into making David what he is. For this reason he favours David over ‘sibling’ Meredith who doesn’t seem in tune with Weyland’s game plan. Whether indeed David has an agenda of his own is intriguing (it’s almost as if Weyland would have it that way). When David is asked what he will do when released from instruction he answers to the effect that he will feel liberated. David does have dreams of becoming a “real boy” and tangible delusions of grandeur like his role model Lawrence.

Mala’kak I also like your thinking on this subject. Shaw seems to be what we have seen,,without too much hidden.. David is not showing all of his cars,,and to my mind is following programming/instructions..from somerhing not yet revieled to the viewers... The Company sems to the background of this reasoning,,,but how far back is this storyline? I mean when did David start implementing the Company line.? The one scene that still bothers me is when he is 'talking to who we assume to be Weyland.(just before being confronted by Vickers. If Wayland had been asleep..waken by David..put back to sleep ..and then re awakened to visit the Last Engineer..would not that be even more stressful on Wayland's life? Look at Shaw's reaction after.she wakes up. In any case I enjoyed the thoughts on this thread..

@Indy John I don't think David woke Weyland up to talk to him as he was wearing the same headgear with orange visor that he used to spy on Shaw's dreams. I didn't like the idea of that apparatus, as it seemed a little bit hokey for the Alien/Prometheus universe. I mean FTL travel is silly science but it's necessary for the story, the 'dream viewer' isn't. I mean memories/dreams aren't like pictures or video playback, they are more abstract than that.

They are more abstract than that, im thinking if a headset could read and transfer the brains thought patterns from one person to another, then the recipients brain would automatically translate the data...both visual memory and feelings, sounds, smells, ect... if it ever became a real tech. I bet Nintendo and playstation would become the leading financing sources, Behold Nintendo sleep sharing!!! I want one, i want one!... anyhoo, would anyone hate Mr. Ridley if he did end up liquidating the Alien sequels? What if we just kept Aliens and ditched 3 and 4?

@winter: no. I really wouldnt be all that upset. Though i dont see why alien 3 would need to go. What does it really have in it that strays from alien and aliens? Of the two previously mentioned sequels (aliens and alien 3), aliens is actually the film that is most antithetical to what is set forth in alien. Also, alien 3 wraps up the story of ellen ripley quite nicely (imo). Id love it if somehow alien, aliens, and alien 3 were the only canonical films (I already pretend thats the case anyways). The more the AVP films and alien insurrection are ostracized, the better (imo). Having said all of that, i think ridley will be veering further and further from the alien mythology as he makes the sequel(s) to prometheus. I simply cannot wait! i trust this will be a fun ride.

Yeah, definitely a fun ride. I also use to pretend the final installment of aliens, and the avp films were not continuity. So much so that i forgot about avp untill i read a post about it...if only i cound unremember them again;) on the Ripely side of things i agree. I really dont see anywhere for Alien as a franchise to go as it stands though. Other than total reboot, speaking of which...where can the franchise go? What would make a great alien 5? Or 4 if we throw joss to the wind?