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The Wanderer
MemberOvomorphNov-09-2012 9:09 PM"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,"
"And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time."
Thinking about the ceiling mural.
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SubsumeYou
MemberOvomorphNov-09-2012 10:48 PM
I have tried to read the Bible, haven't come around to it. This may sound awfully stupid, but is there reactions from the other angels or is it just narrative?

Chris
AdminEngineerNov-09-2012 10:59 PM[b]12:7[/b] You might be on to something there. ;) Great post!
Hyped for: Alien: Romulus | Badlands (Predator 6) | Cloverfield 4

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphNov-09-2012 11:54 PMEven in the bible there are many choirs, or factions, of angels. That's the thing that links all the mythologies the filmmakers are drawing from: multiple factions. This is completely relevant :)
Maybe the Bible should have read: "Woe to the inhabitants of the Earth and of the [Atlantic] [b]seas[/b]!". In order to make where some of the fallen/dark angels fell to more clear, when they lived on the Earth for a time.
This ended a mythological golden age in the Greek myths, like the one that ends when the humans are kicked out of the garden after accepting the apple of knowledge from the serpent. Atlantis accepted an apple of knowledge from the Olympian gods... and look what happened. The Atlanteans may have had the "fire" before Zeus punishes Prometheus for giving it to the later rounds of humanity. That's the thing, the Bible doesn't tell the full story it's even attempting to tell. Many books that are very important to these myths that have been derived from earlier cultures, were left out. Things like the book of Enoch give you a little bit more info about some of these other factions and the differences between the choirs of angels, fallen angels, and archangels, etc.
A little bit like the deleted and alternate scenes that should have been included in the movie, lol...
There's a hierarchy hidden here.
When Lucifer and his angels rebel against the other angels it's because they believe things are not being ran properly back in heaven.
The Engineers may actually represent the Raphaem faction briefly described in the bible. They aren't gods, but they're one of the lower rebellious factions described in each set of myths. They're angels, "dark angels" as Ridley refers to them, and even ruling demi-gods in some of the myths that don't use the term angel. Some of which come from cultures who had very little contact. In the Sumerian myths they're represented by EA and his followers. If we look at it through the lens of comparative mythology as Weyland may have, that is ;)
Prometheus is the equivalent of Enki in the Sumerian stuff, but the name of this movie is purposely misleading and contains multiple meanings. Like someone said at one point the fun is figuring out why it's called Prometheus, because they thought it sounded "pretentious". Their own words. They may have figured out what the name meant to them afterwards but knew they were addressing general themes about rebelling against ones masters, or gods, and groups trying to hold onto or gain power. To move a step up in the hierarchy "we are the gods now".
Well then means there's an opening for Androids to claim now then... as they pretend to be man.
Since they've also been made in their creator's image, and David seems to have some issues with his creator.
The name Prometheus seems to apply to David the most because he's a little like Frankenstein's monster too, which is associated with the same name. The Future Prometheus.

Mala'kak
MemberOvomorphNov-09-2012 11:59 PMugh too drunk to make complete sense again, and can't edit--
**Well that means there's an opening for Androids to claim now, as they pretend to be man.**
Portraying themselves as man like how Weyland thought he was a god. The later androids are created to pretend to be human, portray themselves as humans, and have almost moved into the positions of man, after Weyland-Yutani itself becomes more god-like. The company and the humans in the sequels may be dragged into a few wars.
The difference between David and the later androids is that he seems to "choose" to portray himself a certain way. Even though the characters know he's an android David still changes the way he is perceived slightly... He chooses to portray himself and paint himself similarly to Lawrence of Arabia, David uses a few quotes from the movie, and even styles his hair to look like Lawrence... Similar to a film he admires--but also one Weyland admires.
Admiration can imply a choice, a preference for that film above many others.
So is it really choice? Preference? Or is it programming?.. Does David know his story will be similar to Lawrence of Arabia in some mutated way? Why does he decide to make Lawrence of Arabia such a big part of himself. "Big things have small beginnings" could simply be him repeating a line that's actually in Lawrence of Arabia... or it could mean much, much more.
In my view this is because he will actually act like Lawrence of Arabia in many ways as the adventure continues, but also Frankenstein. A monster. Which could be why he quotes Joseph Stalin when he says his "sometimes to create...
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The Wanderer
MemberOvomorphNov-10-2012 3:55 AM"...having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time" - it was this part, along with the reference to a 'serpent' that caught my attention, I was thinking about the lifecycle of the alien and it's obvious priority of self preservation as a species but not as individuals.
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