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Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerNov-20-2012 2:48 PMThere are similarities between Sir Peter Weyland & Citizen Kane's Charles Foster Kane. The main one being they were both self-made gazillionaires. At the end of Citizen Kane, Charles Foster Kane is dying in his Florida mansion named Xanadu. His dying words are 'Rose Bud'. The rest of the movie is spent trying to figure out what he meant. At the end of the movie we see a sled from his childhood being tossed into the furnace & the name on the sled is 'Rose Bud'. Infer what you will as to the meaning of that movie. At the end of 'Prometheus', Sir Peter Weyland is dying on the floor of the Engineer's ship. He has just been struck in the head by David's serered head. The Engineer drops David's head beside Weyland & Weyland says, "There's nothing". To this David says, "I know. Have a pleasant journey, sir." I remember thinking about 'Citizen Kane' & thinking this was Weyland's 'Rose Bud' moment. Maybe we will find out more about Weyland in future installments of the 'Prometheus' franchise, but for now, what was Weyland's 'Rose Bud'? Was it his failed quest for eternal life, or was it something else?
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Co-AdminMemberOvomorphNov-20-2012 4:32 PMYou're not the first to spoil the end to this movie for me...
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MemberChestbursterNov-20-2012 6:47 PMi think weyland was saying that there was nothing to prevent him prebent from death on that planet. eh was expressing his dissapointment in everybody right before he died
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DenzelTH
MemberOvomorphNov-20-2012 7:11 PMI think Weyland never believed he was not gonna get eternal life. And was coming to terms with their being "nothing". As for David, it was probably the one time he made a mistake for weyland and it cost him his life, so David was being sincere and not knowing what was going to happen next to his head and body.
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craigamore
MemberOvomorphNov-20-2012 7:32 PMWe're not really putting Prometheus on the same level as Citizen Kane....are we? I mean...I liked Prometheus, but no...nooo...nooooo way does that do Citizen Kane any kind of justice. It's insulting. I respecfully disagree with you friend...respectfully.

Necronom 4
MemberNeomorphNov-20-2012 9:21 PMI assumed that Weyland meant 'there is nothing on the other side?' Nowhere to go when we die? No heaven, no hell, nothing?
The poster was good though!

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphNov-20-2012 11:19 PMnecronom I think he meant there were no answers about the Derelict on LV426.

zzplural
MemberOvomorphNov-21-2012 12:43 AM@craigamore
IMHO Citizen Kane is not a great movie. When I saw it, I kept thinking about The Emperor's New Clothes, and that I really should like it, because lots of other people say it's great. But I didn't. The big revelation about a childhood sledge: yawn.
@Cerulean
Weyland's line is an answer to the question that he himself posed in the movie during his big speech: "What happens when we die?".
When he says "There's nothing", David actually replies "I know. Have a good journey, Mr Weyland" [not pleasant journey]. They are hollow words because they both know that the journey is a trip to nowhere. David knows how to deliver a placebo, and that's what his programming makes him do here..
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Indy John
MemberOvomorphNov-21-2012 5:26 AMI took the 'There is Nothing' as Weyland admitting that everything he strived for(immortality) was not attainable and he was empty giving up his dream and his life.
Was the head bopping scene a fatal one or did Weyland just give up, let himself die because there was nothing or no one to live for?
I had not thought of David's comment as being a robotic, programmed response.
By this time in the movie he had concined me he had a will of his own.
You comment makes more sense.
Be choicelessly aware as you move through life

zzplural
MemberOvomorphNov-21-2012 7:52 AMI'm pretty sure that the hefty whack on his skull dealt Weyland a fatal blow. He was almost dead anyway before the sucker punch.
We'd better not get into the business of what is free will here, or it could be a never-ending debate! But I'll say, as I've mentioned obliquely before, that any "will" David has can't really be compared with yours or mine. He's a robot, and his mode of "thinking" won't be human. It's far too easy to imagine things like David is evil, or happy, or resentful. But that's projecting our own way of thinking onto him. We do it with animals as well, anthropomorphising on a regular basis.
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerNov-21-2012 9:19 AM@ Freeze! - I Love it!
@ zzplural - I agree we need to be careful about assumptions we can make regarding Alien & Robotic behavior as 'Good' or 'Evil'. These assumptions are what will keep us from seeing things as they are meant to be seen.
@necronom 4 - I also thought Weyland could have made his 'nothing' comment, because where he was going, there was nothing that would stop it!
I am also reminded of the Lawrence of Arabia line, "There is nothing in the desert, and no man needs nothing."

Rubirosa
MemberOvomorphNov-21-2012 10:25 AMI think that the Citizen Kane and Prometheous similarities are very little and vague @Cerulean Blue. The last few words both men speak at the end of their lives mean two totaly different things. Weyland at the end comes to the reliazation that after physical life there is nothing else. Its the eternal sleep. In his opinion immtortality is what represents god status. When Weyland and the rest of the group enter the sleep chamber he realizes that these so called gods are not immortal as he notices that three out of the four crypts contain dead humanoids. When he is bashed in the head his dream dies with him. But those few seconds before his death are shocking to him and very painful. At least that is what I percieve in those events.
Now the last few words Kane speaks are of past happiness. The only true innocent happiness he ever knew in his life before he was removed from his grandparents and evolved into a proper gentlemen, business man, tycoon, newspaper baron and so on. Rose bud is the name of his sled, and it represents the happiness he once knew. The only time he was ever happy in his life.
So both men are in reality thinking about two different things. Kane is thinking about the beautiful past. While Weyland is thinking about the untainable quest he set out to attain in the fututre.
I totaly agree with your opinon on Kane @Craigamore. It is one of the greatest films of all time. It changed the way films were made in the future. Orson Wells use of different camera angles and so on revolutionized cinematagrophy. But what really makes Citizen Kane so powerful was the plot. Orson wells's Kane is really a representaion of Newspaper magnet William Randolph Hearst. Who owned the majority of the major newspapers in the country during that period. After Kane came out Wells was black listed by Hollywood becuase of the power that Hearst wielded in the film industry. Those that hate or do not find Citizen Kane appealing have very odd tastes when it comes to cinema.

Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerNov-21-2012 11:45 AMIMHO Prometheus is a great movie!
Citizen Kane & Prometheus both tell stories of men who thought they could make themselves happy by using their money & power to influence others.
Neither story ends well because they both die unhappy & unfulfilled.
Maybe next time I could use 'Meatballs' to better illustrate my point, but it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter.
HA HA!
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