how will shaw be 'received' when she get to the engineers home world?

This is a good question and one that I have considered before more than once but only touched upon it once or twice here. I have to believe that they will be irate when she shows up in one of their ships no less to their homeworld. I think they are probably arrogant and consider themselves as far above us as we consider ourselves to be above chimpanzees. After all they did seed us. The notion that we would now presume to hijack one of their ships and use an artificial machine man to run it - and we know how they respond to artificial people if David can be an example -would just gall them. They would think "How dare this monkey with his toy crawl out of its petri dish and insult us by thinking that 'it' could just show up on our door step without an invitation!!!!!!" That is how I think they will respond to Shaw and David when they make it to Paradise. This is assuming that the homeworld is still functional that is.....

yeah i reckon they wont get too close before they get "pulled over" on the interstellar highway who is to say they dont have surveillance satellites etc

Great civilizations have been known to fall. What if that happened centuries ago on the Engineers home planet (It would certainly keep production budgets down). Shaw and David might be seen as great gods from the past.

maybe they are all dead and nobodys there..... but that wouldnt be any good

I dunno, If a race of creatures I created evolved so much that they and decided they wanted to not only come and talk to me but actually manage to fly a ship built by my own technology I would be a mighty proud indeed.

My money is on Paradise being in ruins. A wasteland exactly the opposite of what we would picture when imagining paradise. I also think some cool parts of Spaights' original draft may show up in the sequel.

See I agree with Fleshvessel this time. A potential wasteland, but if not it would be far more interesting. My hypothesis on how they would respond is based upon how the last engineer reacted to them when they woke him up. He seemed to have mixed feelings, remember him touching the chandeliers in the alternate ending with the fight? There would be an element of pride but mixed with their original motivation - which we still don't know yet - why they wanted to kill us anyway unless it is the space jesus theory.

I imagine that David and Shaw may ask the same question and approach the Engineers with caution. I agree that Paradise perhaps lays in ruins but some Engineers still remain. If Paradise has been untouched by the goo then the Engineers would be extremely concerned that one of their war ships has entered their air-space. If their planet has been infected by goo and there are still Engineers alive, the Engineers may allow a little indulgence and welcome David and Shaw; simply because the two had traveled so far to meet Shaw's creators and they had done so in an Engineer's craft. David and Shaw would then be quarantined and observed until the Engineers decide on the fate of the aliens. One thing is for sure, the Engineers are extremely powerful and dangerous and we will probably find out how powerful they are in the next movie.

That is a good point Albert. The idea of a dark and ominous Paradise would be the most disturbing, and if the engineers turn out to be powerful and dangerous as you say then RS may supprise us like he did in Alien: In Paradise no one can hear you scream!

wasteland is what i am thinking. if they ended up in a dark world in ruins that has almost no survivors. maybe there will be some sorts of lethal creatures, or should i say bioweapons, wiht a few survivng engineers living in hiding. i expect to see a world that is fairly human paradise might not be what the name suggests

[quote][i]"Will the engineers on their home world realise that shaw and david come in peace?"[/i][/quote] Two thousand years later, there might not be much of a civilization left. Even if there is, David 8 has access to all of the holographic recordings on the Juggernaut and could probably figure out the procedures for landing and such and communicate in the Engineer language. The Engineers might not even know there's a Human and an Android on the ship.

I believe that there are more "races" of engineers just like people on the Earth. Don't forget that it is an ancient race. But if we want to figure out who they are we should look at ourselves in the mirror. What we see if we look at humanity in the mirror? There are people with love and kindness in their hearts, there are people ABLE TO RAPE THE WHOLE COUNTRY, nature and other animals for their own prosperity, and there are people who are able to do some horrible things (genocide, shooting). I think that those engineers who seeded us are that one with love and kindness in their hearts but who knows to whom she is going to cross her way. If she meet the bad guys there will be no welcome and she will for sure experience inspection and laboratory experiments. :-)

She will most likely be seen as a goddess by the space jockeys.

Another thing: Notice the engineers apparently lost contact with the bio-weapons facilities on LV223. That might suggest that the home world has come under some destructive forces, most likely from within and possibly due to their tinkering with mutagenic goo and xenomorphic bio-weapons.

they say that great civilisation are destroyed from within.....i would say the black goo that they created did just that. Im seeing a civilisation in ruins too or even one that is very fortified so to speak. I hope in paradise we see alot more of the engineers society......cant wait to be perfectly honest

hmmm the idea of a grey ominous gigeresque world ruined or otherwise whilst the obvious assumption.... i dunno i think the predictability of that however beautifully done might dissapoint me personally. ridley did say it will be the opposite of paradise but will it [b]appear[/b] so on the surface, maybe it will be some pristine templar olympus-like 'paradise' but under a dictatorial regime with untold horrors going on behind closed doors and a minority faction of Good engineers struggling behind the scenes to return balance to their society and by extension the safety of earth

No doubt but that Ridley Scott has his hands full in finding the right people to construct a story line for this script, especially since damon Lindelof and Jon Spaihts are both unavailable. I know he did meet with DL to discuss ideas about Paradise but that will most likely be the end of Damon L.'s involvement. As I think about it, I think the main part you discussed about the world looking at first like we imaging but what happens to turn it dark and in what way - that part is where it gets less clear. The perspective script writers will have their hands full there.

agreed it will be a much harder movie to do than prometheus i imagine

I am thinking that it will be either be a nice place or a ravaged planet with ruins and crashed spaceships and fallen temples with few sparse populations. They might even find only the elders and maybe some young engineers.

"Their God is different than ours, they don't want our help"... let it marinade

It would be interesting to return to LV-223, a film that will delve further into the other pyramids, as far as I know! (The crew of the Prometheus only investigated the first pyramid) No one can say that all the pyramids had basically the same, so no one can guarantee that the other ships were also loaded as the first!

About LV-223 .. Maybe the Deacon in it's survivial mode accidently activates the entire Base. All the hidden Juggernauts, manned with waking Engineers, could arise out of the dirt of the moon. In fact who is to say that there are not other installations in the mountains nearby. I mention this because roads are indicated that lead to the mountains away from all the pyramids. Now with the Moon on full alert and fleet (how many 6-600?) ready and wanting some action watch out Shaw/David because they may be coming after you.

They would have to be wiped out, leaving nearly no trace or else the company would be all over them in an attempt to reverse engineer their tech. You have to consider that there is no reference to them in any previous incarnation, so to preserve the continuity, they'll be gone or maybe they can take the "they evolved past a state of mortality track".

I do think the engineers home world will be in ruins!I also think that there was a war within the engineers race.As far as we know the outbreak on Lv 223 could of been a attack from this war who said it was ever a leak of the goo?If it was a bio weapon base wouldnt that make it a prime Target to be destroyed? I know accidents happen but I would think the chances of a spill or outbreak is not likely! The engineers are smarter than that and surly have a high and proven safety protocol but it could happen I just see the attack as a more likely option.

My money- if I were a betting man- would be on the ruined Paradise hypothesis. Yes, I know it's predictable, but it's just about the only idea that makes sense given the presence of a world, chuck full with weapons, that the Engineers would know about, but do not claim for 2000 years. Even if the Engineers had a civil war, or outright war between politically different factions, they wouldn't abandon an arsenal if they still were alive and capable to get there. At the least, they'd destroy it to deny it to the opposition. Until someone presents a plausible alternative, ruined Paradise it is. (I did invent a rather different scenario in a flight of fancy for a fanfic, but that was specifically because I didn't want to write about the Engineer world being another tomb and had other thematic fish to fry. I do not claim my scenario is airtight, far from it.)

In a hypothetical war should be a winner, so there must be something more than just another tomb. Also I don't think that LV-223 is the only biological weapons facility, actually I can imagine thousands. Probably the Engineers are mostly dead, who knows, but maybe there is another race or faction that we don't known yet.

i agree with donnie about the lv223 attack idea bob definately seems like a saboteur or infiltrator at the installation, wether he was taking out an enemy faction or preventing or initiating an attack on earth i cant decide but its odd he should survive

The more I think about this, imo I think the Engineers home world won't be in ruins, possibly neglected by time. I think the entire society will be asleep. There will have been some event that has caused most of its society to go to sleep until a juggernaut returns with the results they wanted from their genetic tampering. So when Shaw arrives, it will be to only a few caretakers awaiting the arrival of aomething and they may suspect that she is the answer. As for any animosity to Shaw, I don't think the engineer who chased her knew that she had given birth. If the Engineers worship the Deacon as a God, then what does that make Shaw?

".. only a few caretakers awaiting the arrival of aomething .." This excerpt from of a recemt post reminded me of the scenes at the beginning of our movie. David was the caretaker watching over the sleeping crew members. When Shaw/Davisd arrive at the Engineer's homeworld and the 'Destination Threshold' announce ment is made get ready for a echo of our story.

@ Indy Watching Alien3 might be in order from what you have just said. I'm just thinking about that pilot light.

[quote][i]Probably the Engineers are mostly dead, who knows, but maybe there is another race or faction that we don't known yet.[/i][/quote] If all of this is based on Lovecraft and the other writers that followed him, then it's almost dead certain there are other races. The main ones in the Lovecraft/Cthulu mythos are the Elder Gods, Great Old Ones, and the Outer Gods. I doubt all of the Engineers bio-weaponry was made just to destroy humans.

the funny thing ab;out them having a ruined hoemwrold and war ravaged society is that they were presumably on their way to earth to kill us for being selfish war starting/finishing things(great description huh? haha) and they possibly had an outbreak of their own so called weapon and they are attacked and killed each other like i said with a most likely messed up homeworld. irony with a capital i for sure

Yes the irony would be quite thick if what you vision is part of the Pardise storyline. I keep getting hung up on the charactors that will be needed in the P2 and beyond. There is no way taht RS will go Star Wars' and keep introducing a new breed of charactors fro each installment. That would seem too cartoonish and disrespectful to Prometheus and fans. And just having an Robot and Shaw doing battling Engineers seems to barren and limited for major film release. There must be more human roles to balance out the Engineers and any zeno related activities. How with humans get to the next prequel? So the storyline must involve more humans involved with the Engineer world somehow leading to a connection to Alien. I sort of like the idea of making a stop at a human outpost before continuing(in a Juggernaut) to the next stop of the Engineer trail. AS far as how she will be recieved hostle comes to mind until by her actions she wins over the Engineers and take on the higher/highest level of Creators, the ones who let loose the xenos in our fictional world.

Maybe there will be new human characters already in paradise. I am not sure right now how to go about explaining the reason(s) they would be there right now but it seems like shaw could be in for a pleasant suprise to see familiar looking creatures. Although David probably wont haha;) But seriously this idea is growing on me. it could make for a intersting twist or two. also, the possibility of the deacon ending up there would allow it more victims

This is a curious option for Paradise. When the Engineers visited earth would they not want tobring home evidence of thenhuman experiment? Depending when the last visit occurred could there be humans, like in Close Encounters.." that wanted to visit other worlds and give up willingly their earth life for an adventure of lifetime and visit inter steller travel? It is all speculation and I would assume RS has mapped out the next one(or two) storylines in brioad strokes at least. Practical scenes must include humens in falashbacks at least. However, cuponator3000, if he needs script ideas RS could,just stop in here for suggestions.

That is a very plausable scenario Indy John, at least to ponder it if not to actually execute it on film but as with the Close Encounters connection also it immediately springs to mind Cocoon and Cocoon: The Return when we see all of the older folks aboard the spacecraft fly off into what looks like the Orion Nebula, or some type of nebula, then they all return in the sequel. It makes you wonder as is the case for the returnees in Cloes Encounters: what wonders or terrors did they see during their voyage out and returning to Earth again? Makes you wonder, and so it makes you wonder about the Engineers and if they had the chossen few from earth to go along with them - the deciples you could say. This is a great idea! In some ways it could work, it would have to be cleverly done though, thats all.

Let me take another crack at this thread. I think initialy that Shaw and david will be well recieved in 'Paradise' Th next level of Gors' have been using the Engineers to do all the manual work for them. The Engineers act like Robots on steroids. The Engineers operaste with not regard for personal protection. They act as they were created to do certtain tasks, skillfully, but without any personal conviction. They act like they have no soul. In Shaw's case she is a thinking human and can match wits with Engineers. She lured the Engineer in the shuttle back to where the creepy face hugger was ready to do business and had no qualms to let the two duke it out. Shaw showed some independant thinking. The Engineers and Humans may be related but an thinking entiry should have an upper edge in facinfg ner situations. In any case adding some human charactoriastixcs to the enginers'physical attibute would a step up in evolution. Heck mix in a few xeno traits and you would have real threas/savior of the Universe.