2 questions about the Black Goo. Was it airborne?

Nowhere in the movie does it state that the black goo was a virus that was air born. Holloway was infected by oral ingestion by David. the business of removing the helmets just confused the situation which David used to his advantage to deflect the blame for Holloway's infection away from him. Regarding Shaw, she picked it up like an STD from Holloway. She was not infected in the same way as David so your question can only be hypothetical and the answer would be the same if any crew member got infected by oral ingestion. It would take the same amount of time as it did for both Fifield and Holloway. So the bottom line is , regardless of where you heard that the goo was infectious via the air born route, it is not unless perhaps it were at first vaporized or aerosolized like weapons grade chemical warfare agents.

Ah wait I have found the image file on my laptop (that has no internet connectivity)

The name of the substamce is chemical ao-3959x.91 - 15. It shows 2 columns one for ingestion and the other for inhalation. I didint know about it until someone told me about on this forum.

I downloaded it and the name of the file is hm4SP . Nostromo 001 PM me and ill email it to you .

Thanks

I was able to find a link to the french prometheus site that shows this image: [url=http://www.prometheusfrance.com/article-66431-prometheus-tout-savoir-sur-le-li.html]Effets du liquide noire selon qu’il est inhalé ou ingéré[/url] Hope this helps Thanks *Link made Clickable by Svanya

Hmm, where was that taken from because I have never seen that on the official Weyland site.

@oduodu; I really don't know, like I said I have never seen that on the official Weyland site, perhaps it is on the DVD? It could be fanmade but I don't know for certain. Please do some research and get back to us I would very much like to see if this is legit. Ty for sharing. :)

Hi Svanya Do you have any idea if this image file that I refered to above is a spoof or was it really posted by fox or is it simply not accepted as canon ?

I downloaded it from this blog I think from the image gallery but Noy exaxctly sure where . Was about a month or 2 after the movie was released . I am just trying to valifate the same: was it a spoof or was it actually from fox ? Ok will try to find it Thanks

Svanya I found it Here the link [url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/replies.php?id=10733]Prometheus “Black Goo” Infographic![/url] *link made clickable by Svanya

I remember when that came out, too! Fox released it via the Weyland site, I thought?

Hi Cerulean Blue From what I just read it was posted on fox's Facebook page . Check out the link above to concur . But why Facebook ? who runs the Weyland website ? Fox ? Tehn why post this on Facebook. I wonder if someone at fox could tell us if it is was their idea or not ? Just seems odd to me that there were never any follow up on this . Oh well .......

Stuff about the black goo is produced by Fox licensees - possibly for the Blu-Ray. A lot of the ancillary stuff on the BR I'd take with a grain of salt. And judging from the fact it took so long for them to get the second Juggernaut going, it's safe to assume she's not infected.

Thank you oduodu , what a fascinating read!

ThatSM

Then I guess this was only an attempt to confuse us even more . Though some clarity on this from fox will be nice. Do you think the the extra (email or something) that indicates that Weyland knew about the beacon on lv 426 must be seen also in the samke light ? This was on the 3d blu ray but as far as I know.

Why did fox not put this (info on the inhalation/ingesting) on the blu ray as well ?

Svanya

My pleasure

i think this just confuses us more, we know from cannon that black goo affects hosts by ingestion and possibly by entering the skin but only if there is an open wound like fifields acid burnt face. its also behaves like an STD so the crew should act resposibly and use protection a hazmat suit should do it. the only way i can think of it infecting a host would be to put it in a aerosole can and spray it into their nose and mouth .

Fox plays it very loose with this sort of stuff. A lot of the 'extra' stuff on the Blu-Ray and Weyland website conflicts with stuff that's been established in the other films. The menus for instance talk about Zeta 2 Reticuli, which directly conflicts with the distance quoted in the film. Z2R is 4 ly further than the distance on screen. Personally, I question all that stuff. If it fits, fine. If not, probably ignore it.

ThatSM Ok !!!! That helps. So at the very least for a sequel to happen Shaw cannot be infected as she will definitely be in paradise .

i love more and more this movie and thank s to human ho create this universe!!!best movie SF for me!

[quote]So at the very least for a sequel to happen Shaw cannot be infected as she will definitely be in paradise . [/quote] As I said, I think the existing film shows us she's not infected. Her infection - the trilobite - was removed and is now dead. Her grandchild, however isn't. Wonder if it could work out how to fly a ship too...?

shaw , maybe thats why she was able to jump like an athlete,an fight with enginer in delete scene

Agreed oduodu, this is fascinating. It really looks authentic and from Fox as part of their viral marketing strategy. The only thing though is that even though it may come from the studios, it still is questionable as regards to it being cannon! Unless it comes from Ridley Scott or he authenticates it - signs off on it, I am a bit dubious. See the reason it is questionable is what is supposed to be the source, David? And if so, when did he get the opportunity to gather all that data. We watched him almost all of the time he was there and we saw the skeemy things he did on the side, so I just would have felt better if there was any scene showing him sending information back to Weyland Industries, but then again, why would he when he was so busy waiting on Weyland himself. He really didn't have the time to collate all that data. Think about it. His Holloway experiment was about as undisciplined as you could conduct it! No controls, no statistically valid sample set, insufficient time to conduct multiple experiments and insufficient subjects to experiment on so all that data would have been totally 100% scientifically invalidated. And if not David, then who would have access to the black goo to conduct the necessary experiments to gather data this specific. No, while I do agree the source is probably Fox studios, and it does look very techy, it just doesn't fit with the story line.

In the original thread about the infographic we are told that the data was obtained in the aftermath of the prometheus expedition from translated engineer manuals. This suggests (if the infogrphic is anything more than a red herring) either a follow up expedition to lv223 or that david8 transmitted the manuals back to earth. The effects described seem to suggest that inhalation can lead to morphing while ingestion will ultimately disintegrate the victim. I'm not sure that what we saw in the film supports this line of thought.

Thanks all for your opinions. And valid points you made. So its a no go then !!! I would kill to know who at fox finally decided to create this and why it was never posted on the Weyland website or added to the DVD / blu ray packages !!!!!! Happy holidays

the only thing that would make the black goo airbourne is if someone threw it

LOL :) :) Or maybe there was an airborne version that got to one of the Engineers during the original outbreak. Something to do with their masks? We never find out how that original outbreak happened. Someone sabotaged their masks methinks!!!! Lol that one guy was running around inhaling something in there like Fifield. A little bit too much. It was planted in their air supplies. The goo is an oil-like form and it's actually derived from some plant in Paradise that breaks down the body and turns people into zombies. They were obviously not respecting the sacred plant it's derived from like Fifield. Totally kidding obviously. But why did they need the masks/suits in the holograms? Could be simply because they hadn't begun producing oxygen. That's another thing though, where does the goo actually come from? Don't answer that question I'm just making a humorous point. We have so many more unanswered questions about the Jockeys than we did before. I think Fox just went a little overboard trying to put out weird stuff like this that we're left to scratch our heads about. Or blew the characters minds, lol.

malex234 , again thanks for providing the infographic materials, especially that final paragraph regarding David and the potential source of the scientific data supporting them . Also Malek, this time I get your point and agree with you. Thanks for letting us know when you are kidding or not, it really makes your posts way more legible. The folks at Fox obviously hired some writers and asked them to make up some sci fi captions for these pics that would explain what the black goo might do. The results are what we are reading attached to the pictures. By the way a better translation from French to English of that last paragraph describing where David may have obtained the data is as follows: "To conclude, we can assume that David recovered his data either in the control room of the ship (when it activates the Starmap), or during a previous trip during the Prometheus mission. When we see his mastery of the written and spoken language of the Engineers and his knowledge in dealing with unfamiliar materials (handling and opening ampoules, use of the term "maturation" in his report to Weyland), it leaves more questions unanswered." I translated this using a combination of google translate, which gives you additional translation options for specific phrases or words, combined with intuitive translation techniques that I have used in the past in translating scientific articles from both German or French. It is very important to have as accurate a translation as possible as this section describes the origin of this data. From this newer translation it is clear that David obtained knowledge recorded directly from the Engineers using their experimental data -and this gets us past the logical problem of David not having time to conduct experiments nor the subjects, etc... By using their scientific data, his wild experiment using Holloway makes more sense as merely a conformation experiment, to experimental work previously conducted by the Engineers, who used statistically valid sample sized groups and presumably proper experimental techniques since they are more technologically advanced than us scientifically. It would fall under plausibility that he could find the time and privacy later in 'Paradise', i.e. Prometheus 2, while Shaw slept during the trip to Paradise and while he piloted the ship after she finely reattaches his head to his body. It would make sense that he would attempt to contact the company if an effort to see if the Engineer's ship that they borrowed could possibly be deterred by company ships. He could very easily slow down the ship without Shaw being aware since she is completely in the dark and dependent on him to pilot the ship and translate all of the written or verbal commands that he would need to get them there. It might be true that David again decides to follow his own addenda, the goal of which differs as already stated from Dr Shaw. Remember he doesn't agree on her need to ask the Engineers why they decided to destroy us 2000 years ago after they created us in the first place. He might decide to redirect the ship to earth in an effort to save both he and Dr Shaw as a matter of simple survival and possibly through a rare aspect of genuine caring for her. Consider that he has already displayed both constructive and destructive behaviors toward Elisabeth Shaw. He saved her from the storm but then turns around and attempts to use her as a Guinea pig for his pregnancy during contamination by black goo experiment. So it would be totally in character for him to lie to her to save her from herself from his perspective.

PS sorry for the long but hopefully clear and logical post above!

[quote][i]while Shaw slept during the trip to Paradise and while he piloted the ship after she finely reattaches his head to his body[/i][/quote] I think she will put back David's head on his body as late as possible...not to mention that she still doesn't know that he is responsible for her boyfriends death. [quote][i]Remember he doesn't agree on her need to ask the Engineers why they decided to destroy us 2000 years ago after they created us in the first place[/i][/quote] That's because he is obeing to Weyland. [quote][i]He might decide to redirect the ship to earth in an effort to save both he and Dr Shaw[/i][/quote] If so and if the ship contains urns like the crashed Juggernaut, then maybe there's no point for Weyland (W.Y. in the future of course) bio-weapon division to indirectly investigate LV-426 ?? Don't get me wrong, I like your theory :). Maybe they are headed to Earth as a first step before going to Paradise...

"..you additional translation options for specific phrases or words,.." @nostromo001 Doesn't you comments about the language translations here on earth call into question what David said and heard from the Last Engineer? And if a different understanding of the message by either party could cause the destructive forces unleashed on our crew by the Last Engineer? As presented David is the only communicator to the Last Engineer, good or bad, and depending on his mood might use ambiguous wording when talking to the Last Engineer.

Yes, I remember that image as part of the FOX viral campaign and accordingly the black goo can be sucked into the airways. But I'm not sure how much can be true because as you mentioned, Shaw will become a monster? and what about the rest of the crew? Why they are not infected? Anyway I think David wanted to kill his father to achieve the freedom.

That old black magic goo is some mysterious stuff indeed. I don't believe the infographic really clears the matter up for us, but thanks are due to Shambhala for posting it in the original thread. My earlier comment was based upon a reading of that thread and multiple enlargements of the infographic on my screen. If the infographic is canon, then I wonder if the Engineers themselves fully understood the properties of the black goo, and if not, then perhaps that was the cause of their "outbreak" 2000 years ago.