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AgentMothman
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:26 AMI know a lot of you here liked this movie, but I found someone who brilliantly wrote a summery of this movie and it's downright idiocy. Keep in mind I did not write this, but I loved it so much that I think you should all read it. Here it goes.
This is held up to be cinematic brilliance by the fans here.
Ten million years ago (according to Ridley) on a planet that may not be earth (despite Ridley also saying it was ten million years ago) an alien stood at the lip of a waterfall and ingested gloop which killed him. This (according to Ridley) is an engineer seeding life (despite life already being there and despite there being much less nasty ways of accomplishing spreading DNA around). But hey, religion, because this is a movie about religion and if you want people doing crazy stupid things for no good reason then religion is by far the best way for them to rationalise their stupid actions.
Anyway this event, which may have happened on another planet, despite it clearly intended to be this planet 10 million years ago, produced us. (Trumpets please!) Except if you know anything about evolution then this explanation is clearly bunk, and from here on in you only know it will get worse.
So, the aliens continued to visit and interact with ancient civilisations because obviously we need aliens as an explanation to tell us how to pile rocks into pointy shapes, despite us knowing that's the only tall stable structure you can build if your civilisation hasn't invented mortar.
Whatever, the aliens apparently interacted with us, such that we believed them gods and they left us lots of star maps. Except they didn't draw these themselves with lasers or anything, creating perfectly accurate maps, no, they let primitive man finger daub and chisel these bloody maps everywhere. That they did this is explained later by Holloway and Shaw who we're introduced to on the Isle of Skye who discover yet another star map and this somehow convinces them more concretely than the previous half dozen they already know about, that our gods were aliens.
So anyway, some point between the Isle of Skye and the next scene, Holloway and Shaw meet Peter Wayland who is obsessed with not dying and who pays out a trillion dollars to toddle off into space based on finger daubings 35,000 years out of date on a planet where the stars undergo precession and not only that, move. He builds the Prometheus, because having done one spaceship which carried a foreboding name, Ridley Scott just can't help doing it again.
Anyway, the Prometheus we see in the next shot, merrily blasting it's way through the stars, it's engines kicking out loads of noise which you can't actually hear in space. Then we cut to the inside, to see android David wandering about. There is gravity on the ship. At some point in the future we have mastered gravity, meaning we don't actually need the large engines, but whatever.
David beams messages to the Engineers, invades peoples dreams just to let you know who the religious one is on board and talks to Weyland who is faking his own death for reasons which are never offered. The crew wake up as they approach LV-223. Charlize Theron wakes up and does pushups and a lot of people think Ridley is great for making it ambiguous she's an android despite this scene. She's just a hardass.
The crew establish themselves as unlikeable halfwits, hired by an unlikeable hardass for a trillion dollar mission because hey, the budget ran out and they couldn't hire competent people.
There's a briefing, wherein they're told they've all come all this way because two dolts made a stellar assumption based on old finger paintings and a crazy trillionaire believed them. The biologist mentions 300 years of Darwin which might make a mockery of her theory. Shaw ignores him and he's later killed first for the temerity of using his brain (the only time in the movie he actually does). Shaw meanwhile seems happy to reconcile the belief that we're created by aliens and a belief in God. Clearly she's an idiot.
We arrive at LV-223, a moon orbiting a gas giant. On earth, when one side of the planet is near the sun the other side is at night. This short difference in distance results in the temperature differentials between night and day. Consider now, I invite you, what the temperature would be like on a similar body orbiting a gas giant between when it's close to the sun and when it's on the far side of the planet. Yeah. I know, right?
Consider also that gas giants have massive gravitational force, such that they can cause tidal phenomena in rock just as our moon can cause it in water. Now look at the planet. Yeah. I know, right?
Anyway, the Prometheus plunges into the atmosphere, because that's what you do, you don't orbit, don't survey, don't scan, don't do any of those things you might want to do before landing. No, you just plunge right in.
Amazingly, they find a pyramid and some Nazca lines straight away because -movies. There is six hours of daylight left. Gotta pile out and explore then! The atmosphere we've already been told has toxic level of carbon dioxide, except it doesn't because - science fail (there's a lot of them). We're told as they're suiting up that David doesn't breathe. Bear this in mind when he later plays a flute people. We also see they've apparently only brought one security guy. Because that's what you do. We also see this guy thinks a flamethrower is the way to go because - hey, Alien movie.
They go into the pyramid (why is it a pyramid? because Ridley has apparently become affected by Freemasonry somewhere along the line, hence this comparative mythology garbage we're watching). The geologist has mapping balls which he releases. Again, we've built these things and yet there's large engines on the ship, but whatever.
We're 25 minutes in, the movie is staggering under the weight of it's own idiocy and yet there's more to come.
�That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.� ~ H.P. Lovecraft
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pulserifle187
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2013 4:33 PMI not sure if there is any totally feasible sci fi movies. Pretty much all of them are flawed. I would say that the only one that is less flawed is 2001.
But with prometheus, the main point is to solve some of the mystery and add to it at the same time, which is a factor of the alien universe.
"how do you feel?"-" great, next stupid question"

AgentMothman
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:27 AMOur intrepid team of idiots wander around aimlessly in the pyramid. It's noticed that it generates it's own atmosphere. Therefore one idiot takes his helmet off. You will note this is a professional archaeologist. Someone whose business is to explore old tombs. Someone who would know about contaminating the environment of old places. Someone who suddenly decides to set aside professionalism because he is, in point of fact, about as smart as a sack of gravel.
David pushes buttons, because he's fed up being treated like an android and figures if he pushes enough random buttons he'll get everyone killed. He's not far wrong in this assumption.
There's a hologram activated of Engineers running away from something. The people follow the holograms to find the Engineers were running towards a room full of black goo, which is a bioweapon. People start buggering about unprofessionally. Goo starts leaking from canisters which are clearly built to subpar engineering standards, something you don't want in a bioweapon container. There's a giant disembodied head statue because Damon Lindelof had something to do with this and, hey, religion. Apparently this is a religion that involves ceremonies performed with containers of bioweaponry in front of a statue head. Nobody said religions ever made any sense, even alien religions. There are murals of mythic significance echoing Marduk and Jesus because Ridley Scott has joined the rolled-up trouser-leg brigade and they lap this stuff up.
Meanwhile back on the ship the Chinese guy says there is a 200mph storm approaching, which you can actually see out of the window. I wish I was making this scene up, I really do, but I'm not. The weather sensors on the ship are only as good as the human eyeball Mark I. They're worse than the UK Met Office. And that's saying something.
Inside the pyramid, they do some carbon dating, which you can't actually do because - science fail. This establishes a further connection with Jesus, although this storyline isn't explored explicitly according to Scott, presumably because it's stupid. But it's hinted that Jesus was an engineer and we killed him and now they're all mad and are going to kill us. Because, yeah that makes sense. Also, it renders Shaw a double idiot. Not only did God not create us, but Jesus didn't come to sacrifice himself and thus the entire point of Christianity is rendered meaningless. But Shaw will still be a Christian at the end of the film, because faith in spite of actually being presented with evidence you are massively wrong is a good thing by this movie's internal logic.
Anyway, severed head of engineer is bagged and everyone legs it. Apart from the two idiots who got lost. The ones with the mapping equipment. Who got lost. In what isn't a terribly complex building looking at the hologram. But still, they got lost because - movies.
The others run out and the storm hits and doesn't kill them by blasting through their bodies with flying debris despite tornadoes on earth being able to bury playing cards into houses inches deep with the force of wind power alone. But hey, science fail. By this point what's one more one-fingered salute to science and logic?
We're about 40 minutes in to this masterpiece. Can it get any worse? Oh yes, yes it can.
�That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.� ~ H.P. Lovecraft

AgentMothman
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:27 AMOn the ship, the archaeologist and the doctor examine the severed head. Shaw decides she wants to try the 19th century parlour trick of galvanism, wherein dead things had electric currents passed through them to make them twitch like they were alive. The Victorians didn't have reality television, they had to make their own entertainment. Anyway, Ridley Scott has decided that galvanism is funny and also he wants to make a head explode, so this proceeds to occur because nobody around that examination table is a competent scientist and nobody involved in the script is either.
The storm rages. David talks to Weyland. Weyland tells him to try harder. David and Vickers have a confrontation to establish some sibling rivalry and it's all terribly po-faced and I'll be happy when these idiots just die, to be frank. David goes to retrieve his canister from the fridge. He decides to feed someone black goo because that's how you interpret the instruction to "try harder" obviously. Let's remember what this expedition is for again, Weyland wants eternal life and wants to ask the aliens how to get it. So you feed someone black goo, obviously. Nice thinking David. Why not just scrape any old crud off this alien moon and feed it to someone, you've got just as much idea it will have any effect as what could be just alien vegetable soup as far as you know. Vegetable Soup of Eternal Life? Well it makes as much sense as anything in this appalling cackfest.
Holloway is sulking for no reason adequately explained considering he's just verified the presence of other sentient life in the universe even if he hasn't found a live one yet. He's a massive c0ck to David so David feeds him black goo, hooray for David.
The captain meanwhile establishes his unprofessionalism by leaving his crewmen to their fates whilst at the same time messing with their heads. He decides he wants to shag Charlize Theron. I want to shag Charlize Theron too but unfortunately the captain has an accordion and that swings her decision in his favour. The two utterly unprofessional idiots presumably go off to shag.
Holloway and Shaw also shag and things of foreshadowing and religious significance are said and it's again, all telegraphed as it it's subtitled for idiots.
The two bumbling scientists stumble into the room with leaking black goo everywhere. A snake alien appears and the biologist forgets everything he should do encountering an alien lifeform - observe, study, and so forth and as a result dies of his own stupidity. It's suggested this is in character for him. If he's meant to be an idiot then fair enough. The other one dies trying to help him. It's no great loss to the gene pool if we're being entirely honest but it is ludicrously unprofessional of these two.
Morning time (and what is the orbital period and rotational speed of the moon? We don't know. Conveniently it seems to be on an earth day footing) and everyone decides to head back into the pyramid, which has been there 2000 years, in a seismically active zone, which has produced a mountain 20000 feet higher than Everest, which is right there and somehow this pyramid is untouched by 2000 years worth of potential earthquakes. Whatever. Everyone heads on back, including Holloway who now knows he's infected. He doesn't tell anyone. Because, as pointed out, he has the brains of a sack of gravel and apparently doesn't care about his girlfriend's life either.
David also heads in alone. He wanders to the mapping ball and opens the door. He explores, watched by Vickers. He finds a hold full of weapon canisters. Unsecured weapon canisters. Remember that when this ship later falls from the sky. He finds the bridge and cuts Vickers off. Vickers doesn't tell anyone, because she's a hardass idiot.
We're over an hour in and brains are starting to melt under the continuous assault of stupidity.
�That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.� ~ H.P. Lovecraft

AgentMothman
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:28 AMThe team re-enter the pyramid and locate their dead friends. No protocols have apparently been put in place to deal with crew deaths. Everyone starts panicking like a headless chicken when a worm thing leaps out of a corpse mouth. Holloway suddenly falls really, really ill. There's no protocols to deal with that either. Everyone starts to abandon the pyramid.
Shaw then states she wants a medical team standing by the airlock, with a full quarantine failsafe. Who does this team consist of? I thought the actual medic was with them in the pyramid. Why was there no decontamination procedure in place when entering and exiting the Prometheus anyway? Considering we sterilised the Mars rover before we sent it you'd have thought it would be a standard, but hey, this movie makes such a farce of science that by this point it's hard to view it as anything other than a 150 million dollar Troma movie.
David meanwhile has found the bridge. He pushes some squishy buttons which are unlabelled at random and manages to activate the chair. He has a sit down. Accidentally he's triggered a hologram. (For all their advanced tech the Engineers haven't master full HD, their holograms are pretty lousy). A hologram engineer sits in the chair David is in and pushes the same squishy buttons David did. Weirdly this doesn't activate the chair for him or trigger a hologram. "Just push the damn buttons and wave your hands around" Ridley Scott yells from behind the camera as his muscle-bound actor performs this scene.
The hologram pushes lots of buttons and waves his hands over lights and it takes an age for anything to happen. Suddenly a sort of galactic hologram map appears. David wanders into the hologram and picks up the earth, because you can totally do that. This probably has some religious significance but I've not been inducted into the rolled-up trouser-leg brigade like Ridley, so couldn't tell you. David seems happy though, and even happier when he finds a live engineer. It cuts away. Presumably, from what is said later, David sits there pushing buttons and lights willy-nilly "figuring out the broad strokes" and this alien spaceship doesn't budge an inch.
Holloway is having a bad time of it and is having a serious bout of man-flu. Shaw wants to save him but Holloway has realised that he's a threat to the gene pool, literally, and begs to be flame-throwered. He poses like Christ because hey, religious movie, even though his sacrifice really isn't on a par and Charlize obliges by turning him into extra crispy Holloway wings. It's about damn time, I was getting bored with Mr "Tom Hardy was busy doing Batman so we got this guy instead".
Shaw falls suddenly pregnant. David has got back onto the ship and is suddenly the medical expert. He takes her cross off of her because hey, religious movie. He wants to put her into cryo. Is any of this in his orders? Wasn't Weyland after eternal life? What the hell has this subplot got to do with anything other than to give us a "virgin birth" sequence in the movie because this is all supposed to be terribly religiously profound.
Shaw is understandably upset. So she slugs some of her crewmates (who thoughtfully decide never to hold it against her when they recover, or ask about her alien baby) when they come to take her away and runs to a medibot thingy in Vicker's quarters. I should have mentioned that was there earlier, but my brain was occupied by other lunacy so it slipped my mind. The medibot thingy is male-only, because that's how these things are built in the future. Presumably it's there for Weyland.
Shaw has an abortion. Despite having her abdomen sliced open she seems remarkably able to engage in physical activity beyond this point. It's suggested by fans her meds are really potent future meds. I bet they are, everyone else in this movie seems to have been abusing future meds recreationally judging by their stupidity. The alien baby squid is then gassed. Which does absolutely bugger all to it. This is curious since the exploding engineer head I think was similarly treated and yet that cleared up that infection. But there's so many inconsistencies in what the alien goo can do that inconsistencies in how decontam treatments affect it are par for the course.
A zombie turns up and they stupidly open the doors so it can slaughter people willy nilly. Apparently the only weapon which works in the future are flamethrowers. Some expendable people who had little say die along with the idiot geologist whose second demise seems only too fitting considering what a dingbat he was.
Shaw stumbles into Weyland's chambers. David is washing his feet because it's in the Bible a few times. Nobody asks Shaw what's happened to her apart from David who has mastered deadpan sarcasm, an unusual skill for an android.
Janek stumbles out of a deleted scene to tell Shaw that this is a weapon's facility. Inviting the question as to why, exactly, the aliens told us where their weapons facility was. And inviting the question why, when they need a stable environment, they chose to build a weapon's facility on a seismically active, tidally affected by gravity moon which should have massive extremes of temperature. It seems like the Engineer's are idiots, but as can be seen, so is absolutely everyone else in this farce, so they shouldn't be excused.
Charlize Theron delivers the worst piece of acting in her entire career.
It's 1:30 on the clock and the absurdity of this movie isn't done yet.
�That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.� ~ H.P. Lovecraft

AgentMothman
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:28 AMAll but four of the crew head into the pyramid with Weyland. Nobody seems surprised to see Weyland alive and nobody seems to want to tell him where to get off considering the, ummmm, umpteen deaths there's been already. Because when you're the money man everyone instantly obeys you, even if you want to do things which don't make sense.
The captain on the bridge, for the first time, decides to monkey with the hologram and reveal there is a ship in the pyramid. "Jesus Christ" says Theron, because we really can't hammer home enough this is a movie about religion. "It's a God Damn ship" concurs the captain, because look, it's funny cos it's true! It's a ship with which our "gods" are "damning" us. FFS, Ridley, go boil your head, please.
Meanwhile David is playing a flute, despite not being able to breathe. He's mastered this ship already because you can totally do that despite only certain things being labelled, random button pushing having no detrimental effects and there apparently being a full load of holograms which you can watch and learn how to pilot and navigate an alien spaceship.
Shaw figures out the Engineers were going to kill us. The implication it's because of Jesus as mentioned earlier. When these guys have a grudge, they really have a grudge.
They wake the Engineer. The Engineer doesn't seem terribly surprised to see us and instead seems kind of annoyed to have been woken up. You might think he'd be curious, but that's really expecting intelligence from this movie and you really should have had that expectation beaten out of you after what you've seen so far. No, the Engineer goes mad because an insane doddering old codger says he's a god and wants eternal life. (That might be the deleted scene version, if it is then in the theatrical cut the Engineer just flips out for no reason that actually seems reasonable). He kills people and lets Shaw run away. He must carry on with his 2000 year old mission! Because that's what you do. You don't check the time, or ask how long you've been out. You follow orders. Hey, that's the Nuremberg defence. Didn't work there either.
Vickers comes to her senses finally and realises they really ought to go home when she sees everyone die. Hooray Vickers, finally you got brains. Though not for long.
The Engineer climbs into the giant penis gun thing and presses buttons. David is supposed to know how to pilot the ship from this. And yet you can clearly see he can't see what the Engineer is pressing from where his head is lying on the floor.
Suddenly Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls appears. This causes Shaw to mutate into a parkour expert, despite her surgery. She talks to the ships captain and says he's got to stop the alien vessel reaching Earth.
Charlize is having none of it. She leaves. The crew members all pose like Jesus as they fly their ship into the ascending alien croissant. It's religion people. It's sacrifice. It's everything. It's a deeply profound Hollywood blockbuster isn't it? No. No it's stupid is what it is.
The croissant then falls. I must say here, the second time I watched this movie I watched it with an engineer. An engineer massively into aeronautical engineering. He can make your eyes glaze over with tech details about planes. The croissant crashes and, as my engineer chum points out, would actually have disintegrated on impact. It's taken a hit right on the weakest point of it's structure which has damaged it so it will fall. If it lands on the same point it will collapse. It doesn't because - science fail, okay one most people wouldn't spot, but it's still a science fail.
We're then treated to the ludicrous scene of it rolling. Which it really wouldn't do either. But Ridley thinks this is cool and he has the money so it rolls. Hundreds of people are screaming for the two girls to run to the side. Charlize doesn't. She gets squished. Hurry up and kill everyone else off, please.
Shaw goes to the lifeboat with 30 secs of air left. In the airlock she grabs a handful of tubes. What are these? Air I'm guessing, she was short of the stuff. Then she hears a noise. It's her baby squid. Except now it's a big squid. What? How? Why? Wasn't it dead? Oh ffs, pleeeaaasse make sense movie, it's not too much to ask is it? An Engineer appeared. His ship fell out of the sky, didn't exploderise on impact and he managed to get past the hold full of canisters of black goo which didn't break after a fall from altitude and yet will leak at the drop of a hat if you so much as breathe on them funny. How did he ...? Oh screw it, it's nearly over.
He hunts her down, she sets a squid on him. He gets face-raped. She runs away. She has no food. There is a squid and an engineer in the life pod. David speaks to her. Can she come get him? Sure. She manages to get through a hold full of containers of black goo that apparently didn't break. She gets David's head. He tells her there are other ships.
She lugs his head and body to another ship. She has no food. She decides that what she really wants to do is seek out the homeworld of the aliens who want to destroy her entire planet and have just tried to kill her and ask them "why"? She doesn't think "I should go home and tell people all this". That would be far too sensible. No, she decides to seek out her would be murderers.
With no food.
But thankfully this assault on our intelligence is over.
�That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.� ~ H.P. Lovecraft

zzplural
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:47 AMThat is the most idiotic critique of the movie Prometheus that I have ever seen. Well done for finding such tripe! Stars duly awarded.
Why do you love it so much, I wonder? Is it the general antagonism, inaccuracy or just the wild departures from logic in this tosh that float your boat?
The most terrifying fact about the universe is not that it is hostile but that it is indifferent

AgentMothman
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:52 AMJust about everything in his post was spot on the amount of inaccuracies and plot hole in the movie. The only thing I don't agree with his statement on artificial gravity and large thrusters on ships. The two do not have anything to do with each other.
�That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.� ~ H.P. Lovecraft

thevvhiterabbit
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 11:02 AMI made an account on this website for the sole reason of responding to this post.
I loved Prometheus, BUT, and it's a large but, I completely understand why some people didn't like it. The plot was a little overly complicated, there were some odd twists in logic, the allusions to past films weren't relate-able to people who weren't big fans of the first films etc. Many flaws to be sure. But the number one flaw this idiotic article keeps pointing at is how unbelievable it all is. Like seriously, your science FICTION movie isn't believable, tell me more about how intelligent you are? The first thing they crack on is rationalizing the actions of an alien race... are you seriously that dense? They're aliens, their rational for their religion and technology isn't important, that's the damn point, someone made it up and if the writer says it's because of religion or that's how the technology works then you just fucking accept it!
Ok, imagine a review of the Chronicles of Narnia where they didn't talk about the acting quality, or silly over simplified plot and jesus allusions, and instead they just focused on how the portals to narnia didn't make sense.
That's this review in a nutshell. They don't focus on the quality of the film and instead nitpick random and contrite details that don't matter at all. Oh this rejects Darwin and there's no sound in space OH REALLY? GEE THANKS, so I guess starwars was the worst movie ever made because the explosions were inaccurate, there was sound in space, why would anyone live on tatooine, lasers don't stop mid air etc. etc. etc. it's absurd. Dear pretentious reviewer, next time write about the actual problems with the movie, not how the FICTIONAL world doesn't fit modern science.
CantSpaceJockTheRock
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 11:57 AMI got a good laugh from this doesn't surprise me the author has the same opinion, they seem to be a little on the dull side. When you're that unintelligent it has to be easy to miss a lot. Many and most of the things they complained about do have simples answers or explanations in the film. You did actually WATCH it right? Anyways don't quit your day job cause your mental capacity seems too limited for a complex assignment like movie plot analysis.

Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerFeb-27-2013 1:45 PMI guess this reviewer did not like 'Cars" because cars cannot really talk?
nostromo001
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 1:55 PMOk, first of all I did get a kick out of it but it doesn't in anyway affect my attitude regarding the movie, which is that I loved Prometheus even with all of its inaccuracies. The reviewer did make many correct points about the lack of scientific validity of many scenes. Lets give the devil his due. And he has a hilarious sense of humor. I don't at all mind that he criticized my favorite movie - one of my favorite movies of all time actually. My reasons for liking Prometheus have nothing to do with its scientific accuracy. I long ago realized that suspension of disbelief was a necessity to the enjoyment of this movie as it is for the enjoyment of all vampire movies and other supernatural or sci fi movies or novels. If I had to make it a requirement for all the above classes of stories that they be scientifically accurate, then none of any horror, sci fi or fantasy movies or novels would make the cut and that would be a tragedy causing my intake of acceptable entertainment to drastically become reduced. So all in all lets be honest, the guy is funny and for that he deserves kudos. But none of any sci fi, horror or fantasy would stand up to his standards without the suspension of disbelief necessary to enjoy them. So based upon this factor, we can simply enjoy both the movie and humorous reviews like this one with no harm no foul. If we become too rigid and neurotic to accept critical reviews of movies like this, then it says more about us then it does about the movie in question. I personally got a kick out of this review and more than a few laughs out of it and I still love Prometheus! lol.
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Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerFeb-27-2013 2:10 PMI do not understand being a member of a movie site to a movie you did not like? Is it just to be a buzz-killer? I do not go to the site of a movie I did not like to discuss how lame it was? To the haters, I can only say, "Oh well, see you in 2015 & party on then." LOL!

Cerulean Blue
MemberFacehuggerFeb-27-2013 2:14 PM“Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people.” -Eleanor Roosevelt

Batchpool
MemberFacehuggerFeb-27-2013 2:15 PMWell lets just say that’s shattered a few of my illusions. Prometheus just seemed so real. So the Wizard of Oz was’nt a documentary either. So enjoyable as well.
nostromo001
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 2:18 PMAgain cerulean blue, we all know Prometheus is a great movie so don't let this guy upset you at all. I just took what enjoyment I could out of it and I had to admit he did make some valid points. I do wish Ridley Scott had hired some scientists to keep the fictional ones in the movie on a more professional track! For Paradise he should hire me! lol.
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Mekja-Tek
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 3:11 PMThe scientist did not behave like scientist, and Pinocchio did not act like Pinocchio, the ALIENs were a bit to human, you don't say.
In the beginning Ridley/The objective reviewer created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness...
nostromo001
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 3:24 PMI guess I should add Batchpool to that last statement. The key phrase in this context is 'suspension of disbelief'. We go to fantasy/Sci Fi / horror for escape from reality, not for more of the same! So we should not expect too much reality, scientific or otherwise in such movies or books. But the proper purpose of small tidbits of reality in an overall unreal tale such as a vampire story, for example, is to ground it and create an illusory semblance of reality. In a novel or other example of the written word, the correct descriptive title for this is a literary device: the use of real items added to a story to enhance the level of reality in an otherwise unreal context. One famous example used by Bram Stoker in his most notable book, Dracula, which I have mentioned elsewhere on this site recently, was his usage of actual European contemporary train time tables from the late 1800s. In fact, the character of Dracula himself was culled from a dinner conversation that Stoker had with a historian friend of his who described Vlad Tepes, the impaler to him and stimulated his imagination with the result that in the end he wound up using the Transilvanian prince as the protagonistic vampire in his famous novel. By using a real historical character he added a teaspoon of reality to his recipe and as a result brought his vampire to life. The combination of the train timetables and the historical prince gave the story a duel dose of reality to create a gripping fiction that is as unforgettable today as it was over 100 years ago.
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Batchpool
MemberFacehuggerFeb-27-2013 4:34 PMHow does any story teller put forward a concept that falls outside normal perspective or convey a message that can inspire or influence thinking into a certain direction? There are literary devices that add weight to the credibility of a story, even when suspension of disbelief forms a subcontext.
I cited the ‘Wizard of Oz’, since this is a tale that was created/ inspired by the social and economic observations of L Frank Baum. The use of the word ‘documentary’ I used in my previous answer on this thread is actually not that far from the truth, with respect that it is an artistic interpretational tale, but evolved from events of the time.
I am always happy to suspend disbelief, where appropriate, with a film like Prometheus because Scott has a great way with giving us the visual wallpaper on which to hang a story.
My enjoyment of films like Prometheus will cease when bumble bees become convinced, that technically they should not be able to fly.
@ Nostromo001, yep, you have mentioned about the time table previously. Dracula is certainly a fine example of your point. I would like to mention Frankenstein as well since part of the credibility for that tale was evolved from what was believed to be the ‘spark of life’.

Korpen
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 5:22 PMfirst of all dude, its just a movie.
Second, this is a forum for prometheus fans, what are you doing here?
ALIENS THINK HUMANS ARE ALIENS

Batchpool
MemberFacehuggerFeb-27-2013 6:06 PM@ Korpen
I don’t know if you agree, yes it’s just a movie but there can be a fine line between criticism and insult. The thread title does not really suggest criticism imo.

Major Noob
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 8:17 PMAgentmothman- here's the thing: those of us who liked Prometheus are dead tired of senseless vitriol by "critics" who need to pleasure themselves at the expense of accomplished artists ( this is undeniable ) who poured themselves into a daring project and produced a true marvel. There are those who are genuinely disappointed and even betrayed by this new direction and then there are the rest: silly effete dilettantes who will seize on any detail and tear it apart , no matter how trite or pointless the argument, because the Internet and cable have empowered anyone with a keyboard, a half baked idea or both and propelled them to the media stage. Prometheus was a fun, exciting movie produced by masters, something we don't get too often. It's an offering. It deserves a little respect. Everyone is different, we all have our tastes, and its one thing to dislike it, or to be disappointed by it, but to slather it with gleeful hatred when there is so, so very much worse on view is just preposterous. No offense to you, and I've said it before, your avatar rocks.
nostromo001
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 9:06 PMPrometheus is a great movie and it really needs no defense from anyone. The critique was extreme and was funny at points but I can't see taking it too serious or getting upset by it. The guy did make some valid points and yes lets face it, Melbourne was an idiot regardless of how good Prometheus was and Holloway did act like a jerk to David and I felt that he got what he deserved so I can't see getting down on the critic. We here who have all seen the movie countless times are fully aware of its pitfalls but to its credit, even with all its flaws, its still an amazing movie so those of you who take offense to someone blasting this movie need to just relax. The critique does belong here because all things related to Prometheus can teach us valuable things about it. There is even a page here devoted to opinions especially for people who didn't like the movie. A valid critique is as useful as one that is completely pro.
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nostromo001
MemberOvomorphFeb-27-2013 11:48 PMEasy Major Noob!!!
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pulserifle187
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2013 3:50 AM"is prometheus a good movie?"...." yes, next stupid question"
"how do you feel?"-" great, next stupid question"

claudius
MemberOvomorphFeb-28-2013 8:04 AMit s a hard movie maybe the hardest about religion,but my wish for paradise is to be more easy and then more people will understand!you mast go far then everybody else to understand this movie and see far than artistic image.

Kane77
MemberOvomorphMar-01-2013 11:29 AMQuite funny article. No doubt, Prometheus divides people. And I´m on the fence..well..the flaws, the plot holes, the weak character development..we all have been there.
The point is IMO to rate it AS A SCIENCE FICTION movie. It is NOT a realistic movie. Nor religious.
The ART of good story telling in Sci-Fi is actually to make it LOOK
reasonable, plausible or whatever the good concept is. It doesnt have to cost 150 Mio dollars either. It IS bad when it fails its own concept or looks like ´if only just´..like Pro..it is only VISUALLY stunning, what is too less.
ok, It could have been WORSE..battleship..
nostromo001
MemberOvomorphMar-01-2013 12:50 PMClaudius, not quite sure what you are saying here. Regarding Prometheus, I wouldn't want them to make it more accessible to people by simplifying it or taking out some of the controversial aspects of it so I am not sure what you are asking but it you are suggesting this then I would strongly disagree. Correct me if I got your post wrong.
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Mateo
MemberOvomorphMar-02-2013 10:00 AMLike Blade Runner, the deleted material is huge. I still think that FOX should bring out us a new edition, is a film with a very short footage, in my opinion.
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