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Journey to Paradise takes about 25 years?

123Engineer

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Ridley Scott had already 3 years before a very exactly imagination. 'It is now thought that the first film is set 30 years prior to Alien, with the second movie five years before.' [url=http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/ridley-scott-two-alien-prequels-on-the-way/171884]Ridley Scott: Two "Alien" Prequels on the way [/url] Prometheus: 2098 (about 30 years prior Alien) Paradise: 2117 (5 years prior Alien) Alien: 2122 So it looks like that the journey to Paradise will take for David and Shaw a long time. What are David and Shaw going to eat? Do Shaw use the hybernation pod in this Juggernaut? Maybe if Shaw doesn't connect David's head to his body, is will make his own ideas of Paradise. He might dream of electric sheeps? If Shaw connect David's head to his body, there is the danger that he will become evil... So what do you think? *Link made clickable by Svanya
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Thinking about the food thing. The life pod would have had two years supplies on board it. Mind you with the amount of booze Vickers liked, I bet it is just two years supply of Vodka.

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Shaw will either find a food source abundant enough to last such a long time, or she'll use one of the hyper-sleep chambers of course.
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Well we have to assume that David will be able to hook Shaw up to the Engineer Cryo Pods and they sustained the Engineer for over 2000 years. And we have to remember that we can assume these Engineers Juggernauts can travel far faster than Prometheus, this would explain why Shaw was concerned if they did not stop the Juggernaut now there would be no home to go to, so that could imply that had it set off to Earth there would be no way that Prometheus would had been able to catch up. So if we assume the Juggernaut can only travel at about the same speed as Prometheus and it would taken 2 years to Earth then indeed if Paradise is set 25 years after Prometheus then that would mean we could be looking at almost 500 Light Years travel from Earth to Paradise, maybe much more if the Juggernauts travel vastly greater speeds than Prometheus could. This would mean the Home World would be far to far away for Weyland and their Colonization missions to ever be able to reach and detect the Home World in Alien Franchise. It could also go with a idea that maybe the Engineers on the Homeworld actually may not have known about our creation and maybe it was a rogue set of Engineers stealing the tech to create us for their own agenda? This could be then that the Engineers was created to serve and perform some task for the Elders or indeed another race/being and some of the Engineers got fed up of being subservient and wanted to be their own Gods, and maybe created us so that we would serve them, just as they had served some other being or Elders. Ultimately there come a time when mankind stopped serving and recognizing the Engineers as our Gods and creators maybe just as the Engineers did before hand with theirs... This leads us to mankind who creates Androids again to then serve us, our goal reached to create life in our image like David...... And again ultimately seeing some evidence in David of him rebelling against his creator and wanting to be free and not seeing why he should serve Mankind... A viscous circle of a beings/lifeforms creating life to serve them, which rebels and creates its own life to serve itself, and then sees its creation do the same.

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[b]I really like all of your ideas.[/b] Especially the idea that the Engineers in Paradise don't know about the creation of mankind. In Blade Runner, creation and creator have met. But this encounter had an very brutal ending. I do not hope that Shaw or David attack their creator. One of the last scenes in Prometheus it was. The fight between Shaw and the Engineer... Maybe David will create his own race... :D But he has already when he let Charlie Holloway drink a bit of the black liquid.
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Well i had that thought a long time ago..... You see because there are a few questions with regards to the Engineers and if they wanted us wiped out. And the Engineers/Elders on the Home World had ordered this or they knew about it and agreed. 1) Why did the Engineers not go to check on the outcome of the proposed mission to wipe/reset mankind. Surely they would have wanted to had known about the outcome of such mission, and after not hearing from LV 223 for a while they would surely had sent out a ship to investigate. Then found out what happened and if they still wanted us dead then why not carry on another mission or other means of doing so? 2) Surely between Prometheus and Alien Shaw will find the Elders and if they feel the same way as the Engineers on LV 223 and deem we need to be wiped out then well why are mankind still around come Aliens, and why no contact in the franchise with the Engineers. To me this means only 4 outcomes... 1) The Engineers on Paradise are all gone or near enough gone and that what little is left is a mere Shadow of its former Glorious Self and they are not numerous to go to the effort to travel fast distances to wipe us out and decide to let us be, knowing we cant affect the Galaxy as we are primitive. 2) They are aware of our creation and set destruction but the mission failed and at a high cost that the Engineers determine we simply are not worth the hassle, and decide to let us be as again we are no threat but to our own planet and to let us rot. 3) They simply are not aware of our creation at all... 4) They was led, maybe by Last Engineer to believe that the mission to reset or wipe us out was completed and so they thought we was gone and no longer a threat. Many of these are bound to be effected by when Shaw turns up at their door step, and indeed with a David who will be up to no good. Surely after such a event maybe the Engineers on the Home World would realize just how much of a threat mankind is and that indeed they know about LV 223 as they sent a mission to there and thus mankind can traverse the Stars, and if they know of LV 223 and have beings (Androids) that can pilot their Juggernauts and may be immune to the effects of the Black Goo (as they are not organic) Then surely that would but the fright of God into the Elders/Engineers as no way can they allow mankind to have access to the Bio Weapon and Black Goo and Juggernaughts. Either way surely after Shaws visit the Engineers would feel the Galaxy is not a safe place with mankind and at the very least they would attempt to eradicate LV 223 and all evidence of the Bio Weapon etc.... (this could explain why it appears Weyland etc never had anything from LV 223 in Alien Franchise). Or maybe the Engineers would deem that in fact Mankind would need eradicating... So why are we still around by Alien 3 etc.... This to me could imply that something occurs to the remainder of this race by the end of the Prometheus Franchise... if something had not all ready all but wiped them out by the time Shaw and David Arrive!

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1) They had already sent a spaceship to earth. Charlie Holloway (the name suits to him) showed us the star maps from the ancient cultures. Maybe they want to know about us. Or the people from the ancient world killed them. 2) David and Shaw hide on the planet Paradise and don't come out. In the end they might encounter the Elder Engineer/god. ... I can't imagine a young version of those engineers. We know that we have the same DNA like them. So is it possible that there are other planets where the engineers used the black liquid to create life.. Maybe those human have already been in Paradise and some of them became engineers. Maybe just some of them wanted to destroy planet earth. Or all of them. Because they don't want that a n other race put them away.
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Yes there is no denying the Engineers had been to Earth, what my point was is what if that was a fraction of Engineers that decided to create us without the others on the Home World knowing about it. And you make a good point about other creations, i had raised this a few times as far as Paradise goes and if they do not include a sub plot around Weyland and LV 223... If its purely about Shaw and David, then what a small cast, but then Human Actors can play Engineers/Elders and we can see Human Cast used in flash back scenes like the beginning of Prometheus and Shaws Dreams. And then the biggest one of all........ WAS EARTH THE ONLY PLANET THEY SEEDED TO CREATE LIFE IN THEIR IMAGE? Surely we are not a one off creation, or purely accidental one?

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This will be an encounter of all creations. God of the Engineers, Engineers, Mankind, Robots, Alien/Deacon Do Shaw age in a Hybernation Pod? Do you think that Noomi Rapace get a 25 year older make-up?
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"Do Shaw age in a Hybernation Pod? Do you think that Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender get a 25 year older make-up? I think David is laying around." No 123Engineer, David would not age no matter how long the trip takes and Shaw will need to be in stasis for the trip. When "Bob" climbs into his chair, the helmet and suit extensions presumably protect him from inertial forces generated by the ship, otherwise he would be crushed by the forces involved in FTL travel. The question becomes "does 25 years onboard the ship equal 25 years of relative time?" IOW, if 25 years elapses onboard the ship, how much time really elapses back on Earth? This is the problem with FTL travel in science fiction. In the beginning of Prometheus we see a ship streaking across an expanse of space. Assuming this is Prometheus, how fast is this ship moving? If we can watch it move it can't be moving anywhere near light speed, correct?
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Sry. I have correct it. Right. David doesn't age. Yeah, Prometheus doesn't move with light speed. But the Juggernaut. Time dilation, right? Time elapses in space slower than on earth. Especially with light speed. Maybe 100 years? In Aliens it was the same. Ellen Ripley was 57 years in a hybernation pod. But does Ridley Scott mean 25 years on Earth or in Space? I think he means 25 years on Earth because the Prometheus was 30 years prior Alien. (Time on Earth)
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[b]Do you think that Noomi Rapace get a 25 year older make-up?[/b] Well you answered that yourself, you see indeed Ripley had been in Cryo Stasis on the Narcissus for 57 years.... did Ripley age 50 years + No she did not. For the whole idea of Hyper Sleep as far as the Franchise goes we have to assume that 25 years would age you only a few if any years. So we have to assume that Shaw will not age at all, while she is in Cryo Sleep. Well only a fraction so like a year or two,

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The engineers died 2000 years ago, give or take. What happened about 2000 years ago? Jesus died on the cross. Religion a side, Jesus was here to check on our progress and help spread peace and love to the people. What if Jesus was the engineer’s creation? This brings about the Alien Jesus theory. That Jesus was an alien human hybrid sent to earth by our supreme beings. So after the death of Jesus the engineers were outraged and planned to destroy the human race. After all, how can they serve us if they no longer believe? Things went bad at planet LV 223 and in Mr. Weyland's selfishness to live longer nearly trigged the completion to wipe out the human race, but only 2000+ years too late.
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I believe we are the monsters the engineers and their Gods were trying to destroy. We were a mistake. We were never to be allowed to exist past being slaves and a test bed for their research. I believe this is the "At the Mountains of Madness" story. We are part of the Cthulhu experiment, and the elders, our creators, are gone because their experiment killed them. Maybe Earth wasn't the only outpost. In the film it doesn't say Earth, it says "A Planet". We were part of a bad idea, and brought their whole uberman thing to a big colossal end. Our parents are gone, but I bet they left a really HUGE Museum we will get to see that is infected with Aliens that can't get off that planet unless we let them off........
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I believe we are the monsters the engineers and their Gods were trying to destroy. We were a mistake. We were never to be allowed to exist past being slaves and a test bed for their research. I believe this is the "At the Mountains of Madness" story. We are part of the Cthulhu experiment, and the elders, our creators, are gone because their experiment killed them. Maybe Earth wasn't the only outpost. In the film it doesn't say Earth, it says "A Planet". We were part of a bad idea, and brought their whole uberman thing to a big colossal end. Our parents are gone, but I bet they left a really HUGE Museum we will get to see that is infected with Aliens that can't get off that planet unless we let them off........
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@123Engineer I don't think you can put too much credence on an article written in April 2010 about the time frame for Paradise. The whole concept of the franchise has changed since the time of that article. The original plan was for a direct prequel to Alien, and Prometheus was many things but definitely not a direct prequel. In addition, I believe after the article was written the plan changed to have two sequels to Prometheus rather than one. That being said, it still could be a long journey to the Home World. That could explain why the Engineer's visits to earth were eons apart, and could also explain why nobody bothered to check up on the LV223 outpost after the "outbreak". The bigger question is whether Ridley is going to try to tie this franchise into Alien or not. In other words will the Prometheus series conclude prior to the Nostromo showing up at LV426 or not. If it does take 25 years to get to the Home World, then barring time travel or teleportation technology, David and Shaw are effectively out of the picture for any direct tie in to the Alien timeline. Another reason I question the 25 year gap, is that I don't believe nothing of interest is going to happen in the Weyland-Yutani universe for that long. I don't think the company is going to sit by and absorb the loss of its Founder and his heir and a $1 Trillion spaceship without trying to find out what went wrong. In short, I foresee a follow up expedition which would take place within a few short years of Prometheus - not 25 years.

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