please , no queen

Absolutely noob! I exhausted my self on long-winded explanations and flowcharts, then read Ridley's last interview on the subject and he implies that the derelict had a cargo of urns or 'bacterial drums of shit' that got out of control. Seriously, how would it drop eggs on worlds if they were the original cargo let alone get them on the ship without being sprung by a facehugger? Prometheus contextualises Alien by showing that its cargo was originally urns; volatile bioweapons or 'bacterial drums of shit you could drop on a planet'. Indeed, what would happen with eggs splattering on worlds on account of gravity, even if we were to grant that they would land intact how would that guaranteed that they would land top up? The Juggernauts are only stockpiled with urns and that is all there is to it. This goes all the way back to Dan O'Bannon's original screenplay where the eggs were originally identified as 'urns with strange markings' or 'bottles'. Indeed, the goo was melting through the metal oozing from the top down, the two scenes; the egg silo and the ampule chamber share so many similarities and the biggest hint to me is the fact that when the temperature raises enough to change the murals we see an egg grasped by a xeno. Urns become eggs and xenos replicate themselves by morphing hosts into eggs, that is Ridley's vision.

I cant remember where it was and word for word... maybe i have to have a look online... But i do remember Ridley saying the Derelict contained a Cargo of Eggs and that one of them had got lose and infected the pilot the pilot then set a course to the nearest baron place to Quarantine the Cargo and he crash landed on LV 426 then set off a SOS... The thing is if the Urns change to Eggs, then we have to ask how come we see a Xeno with a Egg in one of the Frescos.... And we know what the Urns do and i would not think getting infected with the Goo would result in the Space Jockey getting Chest Busted. All clues would point to that he would either 1) Explode/Break down to nothing..... 2) Mutate into a Hybrid Engineer and Xeno-Esque Organism. The thing is though will we ever get the complete answers to where the Xeno came from and its connection with the Urns? I still have the impression that what ever is in the Urns is a Evolution/Improvement/ Re-Weaponizing of the Xeno Eggs.

Regarding the Xeno and Queen, i doubt we will see any in the movie, i think we would get a explanation from a Engineer, or maybe some Murals and Frescos and Hieroglyphs that will explain maybe that.. 1) These race experimented on a Organism that that deemed perfect and they either tried to recreate it or tried to manipulate it to create a Hybrid or some other use.... and they ultimately either created the Xeno from this..... or the stuff in the Urns from it. 2) They some how Engineered a Organism and futher attempts to Engineer and improve it produced either the Eggs/Xeno or that the Eggs/Xeno came as a evolution from the stuff in Urns. I think this would be done vaguely mind...

Ridley's last interview would be the most reliable here, and he states the engineers cargo 'got out of control' or 'evolved' and yes the pilot was a victim in the process, i.e., facehugged, when the mural changes on account of the atmosphere this indicates what the ampules change into, Ridley stated that the derelict brother ship was roughly of the same period give or take a couple hundred years. The ampule chamber shows a history and there are many smaller and rustier looking urns indicating that they are the oldest artefacts of the bioweapon. It's the most Occam's razor friendly explanation there is and the simpler explanation is always the most likely.

Yes i seen that one, it will be interesting to see the connection, as it appears that Ridley is explaining for most part what we see in Prometheus as far as the Goo and what it could do should even a drop get into a Water Supply. But again it could be in regards to the Derelict also, he says that ship Evolved, and its open as to say does this Evolve after it crashes, is whats on it evolved before and being transported. Thats the thing with the movie and interviews as Ridley releases comments that can contradict each other, and the movie also has clues that do the same. And what they do is give us clues where we c an try and connect the dots but ultimately are any of us right or wrong? And will we ever get a better explanation in future? It appears the latest interview is more of a gearing towards the Urns as opposed to early drafts that seemed to indicate Eggs as Cargo inc Spaights.... The Murals do show that they was aware that the Urns are connected some how to the Xeno and Eggs.... There still is no 100% proof can prove or disprove which came first though... Hopefully we will though.

Yeah, I don't think it matters if the urns changed before take off or after, Ridley seems to suggest that they did around take off which means that they were undergoing the process of changing unbeknownst to the pilot before taking off. All that matters is that these things are sensitive as hell; time bombs waiting to go berzerk. I think we will get more [i]explicit[/i] confirmation on this since Shaw and David are taking a Juggernaut stock-piled with bioweapons, yet for now we have some very strong visual hints and implicit explanations from Ridley, not to mention Dan O'Bannon's original screenplay where the crew initially identify the eggs as urns with markings, vases, or bottles. I love that Prometheus is such a realization of O'Bannon's original vision and concepts.

Personally, after reading about the original ideas in the first [b]Alien[/b], I began to despise Cameron's simplistic ideas. The xenomorph turning its victims into eggs is 1000 x more disturbing than a big-ass Alien Queen lying eggs around. Cameron made everything seem too much like extraterrestrial insects, therefore making them less "alien".

[b]meshuggah[/b] is into something here! Quite a simple and credible theory.

[i]"Personally, after reading about the original ideas in the first Alien, I began to despise Cameron's simplistic ideas."[/i] while Aliens was 'a very entertaining rollercoaster-type film' it literally drove an artic truck all over the basic [i]xenomorph[/i] concept, then reversed back up the road and ran over that shit again, just in case. Reboot Alien Franchise (based on two concepts i: Space Jockey origin and ii: transformation evolution) is the only answer, imho.

[quote]Reboot Alien Franchise (based on two concepts i: Space Jockey origin and ii: transformation evolution) is the only answer, imho.[/quote] Agreed 100%. I can't see them continuing the story after [i]Resurrection[/i]... And I wouldn't want them to! Cloned Ripley? Argh. Honestly, I think a reboot will happen in the near future, maybe after [i]Paradise[/i].

meshuggah- I bow to you! Your idea makes total, logical, sense.

Hell yes, O'Bannon IS Canon!! Also that cargo on the LV426 derelict could have been intended for the Engineer/Elder homeworld, to transform them?

Great thread Pulse & terrific input from all posters.....*waves to Big Dave & The Noobmeister!* ;)

Transformation rules! I seriously doubt Ridley would want to include any Queenie reference given that this is now HIS chance to evolve the story.

I dont think we will even see anything related to Eggs and the Xeno... The only thing i think we would find out is the connection ultimately between the Black Goo in the Urns and the Xeno... i.e If the Goo created the Xeno, then we may be given clues to where that Goo came from and a hint of what other creatures it could create. If the Goo came from the Xeno, then we may be given clues to such and also ultimately where the Xeno came from.. But without us actually having Eggs, Face Huggers and Xenos running around. Ultimately i think the Eggs and Goo was created some how from something else, that the Engineers either found and experimented on to create such things.... Or was created by something else that had also created the Engineers.

Yeah, well as I said, we haven't seen the last of the goo and the urns and I suspect things will be more explicitly laid out for us. I think the urns changing into these biomechanoid biohazards makes too much sense and lines up perfectly and simply; Lindelof in the commentary speaks of 'these things in these vases...sought of encased in that black goop..." and Arthur Max in the Art of the Film speaks of creatures inside the ampules thus I think no matter how implicit the connection between the urns and the 'eggs' I think it is rather quite obvious. The reason I think that others didn't make or didn't want to see the connection between the two is that it is a) Simple, b) Complex and long-winded explanations are more tempting and give fans pretentious boners to impress the perplexed and c) Many of the Aliens fanboys are hung up on the Queen being responsible for the very first eggs despite the fact that Ridley has stated repeatedly that the derelict was carrying 'cargo' and cargo that 'got out of control'. It doesn't make sense that you would be able to control the eggs before storing them as cargo let alone try and control a Queen. How would you even [i]drop[/i] the eggs onto planets? They all seem to stick together so as to be stationary for hosts. This is why ampules or Urns make more sense as artillery to drop onto worlds, ergo, the derelict was carrying urns that got out of control and evolved; the film implicitly puts the chicken or the egg issue to rest. As to the origins and ultimate 'purpose' of the black goo in and of itself, and as it pertains to the culture and motives of the engineers or, indeed, a faction of engineers, that is still unclear but hopefully Paradise will clear that up for us. I wish more were appreciative of how much Pro realised and paid homage to O'Bannon and it's not just those urns with strange markings.

I am pretty sure the insect thing wasn't Cameron's idea. Ridley and the other original creators of [i]Alien [/i], Giger, Shusett and Ridley have all been quoted as describing the Alien/Xeno as being insect-like. [i]"I wanted him [the Alien] to be insect-like. Like an ant. Because if you examine an ant under a microscope they’re kind of elegant, and I wanted him to be very elegant and dangerous". ~Ridley Scott (1991)[/i]” [i]“We decided to make a very elegant creature: quick, and like an insect.” HR Giger, Cinefex, 1979.[/i] [i]“It was our idea that it would be the life cycle of an insect. The way a wasp will sting a spider, paralyse it, and lay its eggs in the spider … that we did want it to be …. We thought people might pick up on it and say, ‘yeah, an alien life cycle can be an insect life cycle".~Ron Shusett[/i] [url=http://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-insect-influence/]Alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/10/18/the-insect-influence[/url]

I can remember clearly, on one documentary for ALIENS, somewhere on the internet, that Cameron based ALIENS on the STARSHIP TROOPERS novel (poop) I will try and find it. "I'll be back"

This isn't the documentary but it's something else that shows Cameron was inspired by the STARSHIP TROOPERS novel. [url=http://www.film4.com/reviews/1986/aliens]ALIENS kissing and cuddling upto STARSHIP TROOPERS[/url] In my viewing of Ridley Scott and H R Giger interviews, where they have mentioned that the Giger Alien was inspired by an insect, or that they wanted it to be like an insect, was just the aesthetic in my opinion. Ridley wanted the creature to be "alien" to our way of thinking about reproduction. (That was his real goal.) And he achieved that with the cacoon scene, which he later released in the DC of ALIEN. A Insects reproduction method is very Earthly (ie not alien to our way of thinking.) Cameron creating the queen to explain where the eggs came from was VERY lazy on his part IMHO