Petition to 20th Century Fox: Keep Ridley Scott away from the Prometheus 2

??? First off, while I agree with SOME/NOT ALL of what David Trebuchet has misgivings about regarding PROMETHEUS, I just can't bring myself to do something as laughable and stupid, as to sign a petition by someone who assumes that there is somebody better for the job than Ridley Scott. This is Ridley's creation and he should see it through to the end regardless of wether or not he will scare the c**p out of us in the sequel. But that's just my opinion.

Another thing @DeaconLove. If you think that members on this site will sign a petition to put Ridley out of the picture, then you are mistaken!

I respect your opinion, but I don't agree. I think Ridley is still a visionary director. He's taken the Alien franchise and given it new life. With the sad decline of originality in the sequels following [i]ALIENS[/i], and then the abomination [i]AvP[/i] films, the Alien franchise was dying a slow, painful death. [b]Prometheus[/b] set out to take what we already knew and make us think, we really had no idea. Ridley Scott is the perfect man for the job, because he created the origin to this story in the first place. He is the mind behind the camera and say what you like about Prometheus' mixed reviews, but there are just as many, if not more, who loved the film, as there were those who disliked it. I DON'T want another [i]ALIENS[/i], I don't want an Alien chasing a small crew around a massive space freighter. I want to be exposed to a plethora of new ideas and concepts which stem from the one movie which changed my childhood and kept me hooked on its mythology for a decade. Ridley Scott switched the game up, and that's what this franchise so desperately needed. I think it's silly to try and petition the man out of directing the sequel. Who would you rather, Paul W.S Anderson? No thanks. I'll stick with Ridley.

I would rather use my naked armpits to open bottles without twist off lids before signing that.

I agree with Necro, Chris & Batch, well said guys! :-D My god you are missing the whole point. Who better than Ridley Scott to continue the story!? Ridley was passed over for the sequel to Alien, which I have always thought was a huge mistake, as the quality of the sequels has declined.....well lets not go there again! Now he has the chance to show us more of HIS wonderful vision!!

LOL Batch. I would rather drink from a bottle that you've opened with your naked armpit than sign that!

Now now N4, I'm sure Batchpool has a lovely and erudite armpit... What is it with this need to tear artists down? Some of the terrible things being said about RS and DL when the movie came out were mind blowing in their ignorance. You don't like it? Move on! Are you going to tear down Andy Warhol because you don't like his technique? Is the future of pop music endangered because you don't like Radiohead?  There are plenty of been-there-done-that slasher in space films, and plenty more to come. If that's what you want, go watch them, or better yet make one of your own,  but don't condescend to try and demoralize a great director, particularly one who's managed on not one, not two, but [i]three[/i] different occasions to propel the often laughable genre of science fiction into world class territory, with a "petition". That said, thank you for the fun that is sure to follow!

This is just cruel. I can understand the disappointment in some others who worked in the franchise, but not this man. On both the Alien and Prometheus filming he worked exceptionally hard and displayed a high concern to make the films perfect. Prometheus is a good story. I think Prometheus would have been a lot better if they had kept most of the deleted scenes, but that is the horror of editing. If we think about it, the only really big problems in the film were the characters, Fifield and Milburn, getting lost and the baby trilobite looking like a squid.

I would rather lick Batch's naked armpit than sign the petition! :-D

What an incredibly trollish petition... [Center][IMG]http://i39.tinypic.com/2u96cm1.jpg[/IMG][/Center]

Good luck with that. Chris... AVP: Abomination, damn that hurts man LOL Could be an appropriate name for the third film in that franchise though.

I think you might be barking up the wrong tree by posting that petition here. As 'Prometheus' was released over a year ago, I reckon most people that still frequent this forum are fans of the movie and, most likely, Ridley Scott as well.

I smell a troll

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The title is meant to read 'Keep Ridley Scott away from the script' unfortunately I cannot edit it. If you fanboys took the time to read the case study, you'd see my reasoning, it's obvious that Ridley messed up Jon Spaihts brilliant story. [img]http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa407/redafx/jarjarbender.jpg[/img] Ridley Scott will destroy his own franchise in the same manner that Lucas did with Star Wars, in fact half of anyone you speak believes that's already happened.

Deacon- you had to know this would happen. If you read any of the interviews with Spaihts or Lindelof or watched Furious Gods and paid attention you'd know Fox initiated the changes you so dislike, and amazingly their meddling produced something new and wondrous, rather than redundant. And if anyone has rights to take charge of the story, it's Ridley. He created a dense, saturated Chinese puzzle box of a story that rewards any level of scrutiny with threads of philosophy and existentialism and love of filmaking and seated it in a classic sci fi adventure with a flair few other directors could match. The only way to destroy the franchise, or the future of science fiction, is to destroy all the movies and books that have gone before and everyone's memory of them and any artists present or future who might create more. Your franchise is still there, 50-60% or more it mouldering in mediocrity at best, regurgitating the same old idea over and over again like cow chewing its cud. Let the man have his head and show us something new. That's what real artists do.

@DeaconLove-Hey change.org is not for petty crap like this come on dude use your damn head. That website is for serious stuff and helping to protect others not for your horse manure. You stay away from here you got that! For one its an opinion based petition not everyone will agree with you like me I think you suck! Ridley isnt going to destroy his franchise hes NOT George Lucas and IMO he didnt even ruin Star Wars so shut the hell up and go TROLLING somewhere else. Jon Spaihts story sucked dude not only with his premise but for showing the creature bursting out of him way too soon. I've seen all sides of the story and frankly go away troll.

Fair play, the title of the article does indeed draw attention to ‘script’ only. I can live with that comment. However, the following line opens with “Ridley must be stopped, or the future of science fiction will be put in danger “. Personally, I call that provocative. But hey, lets see where things go. Ok there are just two parts to this article imo. One is character assassination by evaluating the casting, the other is leading roles. The character assassination does have a couple of valid points that I can go along with. Some may agree, some may disagree. Now for the next bit. Leading ladies. The backbone to this argument is built up on the premise that having a woman in the leading role is a bad idea. The evidence to support this rationale being Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, and Back to the Future. The earliest written one being Lord of the Rings. I’ve never really had Sigourney Weaver down as a young farm boy myself. If we are looking for a young farm girl on the other hand I could point you in the direction of something written much earlier, that being the Wizard of Oz where the leading lady is called Dorothy. The story being about a young farm girl who kills an old woman, then forms a gang to kill again.

Then. Who is supposed to direct p2 ? The warchowski brothers ? What is being asked here ? That spaihts writes the p2 script ? As chris said : no group of people being chased around a space freighter. Chris when I read that I saw in my mind's eye (sarcastically) a xenomorph chasing the crew around a bale of hay . He was picking the crew of one by one . When he got to the 2nd last guy he he was really tired and zapped the guy playing the piano but as the music stopped they all had to sit down. Since there were plenty of chairs. That wasn't a problem. There were lots of beer and bacon on the ship. It was a beer and bacon freighter. They bale of hey was of the kind that doesnt burn out when lighted. Before the 1st guy got xeno'd he cast his still burning cigar into the bale of hey. And it began to burn. You see they were drinking too much beer ? So what's the moral of the story ? Too much beer nearly destroyed there bacons !!! Sorry chris The sarcasms is not aimed at you but I thought that it was appropriate because I agree with you !!!! You have to be a member for at least a year or so to get the joke . To the op ? Are you agreeing with the petition or are you sharing it with us ? What is your take then ? Should spaihts write the script of p2 ??

Batchpool- nice Oz parallel! You just showed me something new. Oduodu- Spaihts probably did write the next installment, formally or informally, whole or in part. There's ideas he has alluded to but can't share, which suggests they may be slated for future use. Like it or not, same goes for Lindelof. I have no problem with any of this, I liked both their drafts, for different reasons. And to hear Spaihts himself tell it, his script was [i]strongly influenced by Ridley[/i]. It's probable that Paglen has either unified and polished what was already there or hit all the right marks on his own. So what's the problem? Now Ridley must be kept away? Believe me, I don't think for a minute that it would happen, but it's offensive to me when any pedestrian goes this far to attempt to derail an accomplished artist from dressing their creation. To quote the Cowardly Lion: " Tha noive.."

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Well this was Ridleys Baby... well Alien was but its Dan O'Bannon script and i think Ridley may not be the best director far from it as far as errors in shooting..... never mind Edits, i guess thats why Ridley can release all his movies with Cut after cut after cut.... Ideally i think Peter Jackson would had been great, or Cameron but they have busy schedules. Some would like to see JJ Abrahams but i not sure.... We need give Ridley a chance he started this project and had a vision lets hope he Sticks around to complete it and i think he should be given the job and then ultimately any disappointments can only be aimed at Ridley then... for example some never liked the Queen and Bugs idea from Aliens onwards, but if Ridley directed Alien sequels and they ended up with worse ideas then only Ridley can be blamed. What i am saying is if someone else did Paradise and it sucked, we would be thinking what if Ridley had stayed on board.

@Svanya- My sentiments exactly. Come on guy!! Give your head a shake! Look at what happened when Ridley wasn't brought back for the Alien sequels!! They immeiately spiralled into B Movie territory and abandoned everything that make the original great!! (lifecycle, suspense, horror, etc) Prometheus brings back ideas from over 30 years ago that Ridley and Obannon wanted to use in the original. Spaights draft was OK at best!!!! It was just another uninspired Alien movie and the David character was garbage. It reeked of rookie writing and desperately needed to be polished up. I can't believe how much this amazing film was wasted on your completely stunned ass. Seriously! F**k man, my blood is boiling over here- i guess this is how to push my buttons.

I agree Lindeloffs ideas did seem better as Spaights was well more of another Aliens flick, Spaights had some nice ideas and many Lindeloff took and changed a little, the biggest thing Lindeloff did was take out the Eggs, Face Hugers and Xenos etc.... Lindeloff does have a habit of writing stuff that dont add up or even contradicts other parts, he will have ideas run with them, then latter fail to explain or even finish off what he started. i like a bit of Ambiguity but some stuff never made sense.... Spaights did, but it was a little too much Spoon Fed.... but i did like how his Scarab instead of Goo was more consistent in effects, while i prefer the Goo i think we are shown ways it was used and then Ridley and Lindeloff and Fox gives clues to the Goo that well go against what we saw in the movie... I would liked another person to had gone through Lindeloffs Draft and tidy it up a bit but to be fair his Draft was not so bad... The way the movie came off, was not as well done as his draft and that is to do with Ridley and Fox. One biggest gripe is shooting errors, and Ridley did same thing with Alien, the idea of a 27 foot tall Space Jockey that he used Child actors as they walked to it, to give the impression of 27 foot but actually it looked about 20.... to then shots when Dallas was up close that revealed we have a 15ft tops Space Jockey, and same errors happened in Prometheus where our supposed 12-15ft in the drafts became 10ft Engineers that we could see on screen appeared from 8-9ft tops (Ghost Engineers and Space Jockey Suits) to well 7.5ft Tall Engineer who attacked Shaw.... But taking that away Ridley always seems to Shoot so much stuff that never gets used, that then eventually when we see other cuts of the movies he does they end up much better than the Original Cuts.

Major noob Hi there I agree with everything you say. What I am on about is this : What the hell is the point or purpose of this thread ????? Have you ever heard of someone petinionng against any director of a franchise before (well at least alien) and the scriptwriter ????? What's the point of that ??? What will it achieve ??? What will be gained ??? The story of prometheus can't be changed now . I juist just don't understand the logic by petinioning against a movie that already has been made . Anf now the scriot of p2 must not reflect the existance of p1 ??

how dare you speak ill of RS..... [img]http://global3.memecdn.com/grumpy-cat-hates-you-no-matter-what_o_969550.jpg[/img]

Wow. Much as I have my issues with the theatrical cut of Prometheus, I must say. I wouldn't want anyone else at the helm of a sequel. Besides, considering the issues many of the film's detractors have, and I liked the film, the last thing any continuation of the story needs is a breakdown in creative continuity. I've stripped this film down from top to bottom and it is by no means a lost cause. Some will disagree, but I merely felt the final result suffered in the editing process. The film Prometheus could have been was lost in the cut and while I find that disappointing, I don't hate it and the notion that Ridley needs to go is frankly, ridiculous.

And if we're going to blame anyone for mucking up the script, look no further than the studio, which insisted, if I recall, that the typical tropes of the series be removed in favor of a new direction. Is that Ridley's fault? Hardly. And if anyone should be sharing blame, it's Lindelof. If you read Spaiths' script, which did need SOME re-writing, many of the character choices we see in Prometheus were retained by Lindelof. The issue is that in Spaiths' script, most if not all of these characters' decisions have logic or a reasonable thought process behind them. Lindelof retain the decisions/actions and, for some reason stripped all that logic away, leaving with questionable decision and questionable action made by characters we have trouble believing after awhile. I'm not going to bog this down in specifics, but let's wake up here. Ridley deserves some criticism, but not the axe. I just Thank GOD Lindelof is out...

Agree some of the Characters that Lindeloff rewrote was a bit daft.. But if you read the Lindeloff drafts, then the crew was not as stupid, the script seemed to flow better. To me Prometheus was like a 2.5 hour movie that got caught in a shredder and they tried to re assemble the movie, but some frames too badly damaged and they left them out, some of the movie was re arranged in a fashion the original never and some gaps they re shot scenes... Thats what it seemed like... If you take into account the deleted scenes, and then some scenes we never saw at all.... inc full Sacrificial Engineer Scene with Elder and Sacrificial Engineer Dialect... The Alternative Hanger Scene where Weyland was in the shot and Shaw driving the Transport that ran Fifield Over. The Engineer running from the crashed Juggernaut to Life Boat Scene and then full Engineer vs Shaw scene with the Engineer reading a Book he found on the floor in Vickers Quarters. These scenes when you accept and look at them and logically figure where they would fit in sequence, give the impression of a movie that matches more Lindeloffs draft... And while Ridley can take some blame....... [b]ULTIMATELY THE FOX EXECS[/b] Have the Final Say...... If they want Paradise to contain Xeno Eggs, and Xenos and a Xeno Queen at the End and pass that off as what the Mural showed in Prometheus. Ridley could say... no way i ant doing that..... And Fox can say ok... bye bye and get someone else in to do the movie how they want.... BOTTOM LINE... FOX owns the Franchise and they could go the route of Predators created the Engineers and Xeno and if Ridley wants no part in that, but Fox do then Prometheus 2: Paradise will have Predators etc in it...

I'm not feeding this troll. The nerve to ask me to sign a petition to block a visionary sci-fi auteur from directing the sequel to an offspring of "Alien". No, thanks.

No Deaconlove, Luca was simply greedy and out of ideas....

No predators needed in any Prometheus storyline none. I love the Predators dearly but they need to stay within their own franchises. You can still have an Alien vs. Predator but they should have made it in the future like the comics but FOX didnt give us that. In other words just keep the Engineers and Weyland away from the Predator movies. You can still mention them but they need to be ambiguous and say maybe hunters but thats it.

Yeah i am not saying the movie should have Predator Connection, or though if done correct it could work... But after the AVP movies and how they was not the best way to fully introduce them to the Alien Universe, i am not sure it would be wise to try and do it again.... But saying that, as i said if Ridley does not explain the Origins and Connections in a way that he wants, then there is always a chance that someone else will be given the job to show how the Xeno came to be and connection with the Engineers and LV 426 and it could end up being ideas that Ridley would not like one bit.

Just out of morbid curiosity I decided to check on the petition... 1 supporter. Yup.

ya did freeze!? lol. i didnt bother cus it annoyed me, but i figured the petition looks a lot like this [img]http://soxialmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/forever-alone-meme.jpg[/img]