Last Engineer Turning into a Xenomorph?

Hello Peter. This topic has been discussed a lot, but it's always interesting to have a discussion about it! I for one have always assumed that Bob is either part Giger Alien or gradually mutating into a full Giger Alien. He was in cryo sleep, probably for thousands of years and he didn't last long after he awoke, so maybe if he had survived the squid attack, we may have seen him mutate further into a Giger Alien. We already know what the black stuff is capable of, so who knows?

Also, we know that the engineers probably worship or at least hold the Giger Alien in high regard, we know this from the mural in the ampule chamber. So maybe that's what they want to become? After all, the Giger Alien is the "Perfect organism." Or maybe they create the Alien because of it's super tough exoskeleton, which they harness and somehow intergrate into their own DNA to give them bio armour to protect them in battle with some other alien or humanoid species?

The xeno looking part is just the engineers bio suit and I reckon it could even be that the deacon takes some of the bio suit tech and integrates it thus looking like it - I think for engineers technology mech etc. has no separation bio and technology is blurred impossible to say were one stops and one starts.

My opinion is this is not the case.... You see the Ghost Engineers in the Control room all had the same kind of pressure suits on, as they was preparing to go into cryo-sleep. The Pressure suits are just some kind of advanced some what organic, silicone based suits that the Engineers have to wear for some purpose. The Space Jockey Suits are also a Bio mechanical extension of those suits, that attach and infuse with them. However yes there is some connection with the appearance of the Xeno, the Engineers Bio Tech and this includes... The Pressure Suits, The Space Jockey Suits, the Juggernaut Ships and the appearance of the walls etc... These all do have a common look that the Xeno has and also the material the Xenos use to cocoon its victims... The Engineers appear to not use this Tech in the opening scene, the Saucer Ship does not look Bio Mech as in Gigerish..... This could indicate one of 3 things... 1) The invented the Bio Giger Mech Tech latter and the same process or Tech also created the Xeno... 2) They borrowed/stolen or re-engineered the Tech from the Xeno or indeed something related to the Xeno.... 3) Maybe some other being or Organism create both Engineers and Xenos and the Tech.... So its a case of the Xeno Bio Weapon is just a advancement or part of the same Bio Tech the Engineers possess, or its Bio Tech they came across after coming into contact with the Xeno or its Ancestor Origins... or finally they are both just creations of some other race or being.

Great ideas here! I agree the most with Necronom 4, as that is what I was leaning towards, but everyone else has good possibilities as well. There are so many possibilities with this movie, it's almost overwhelming! That is one problem (in fact, the only one that somewhat bothers me as I adore this movie) though, and that is Prometheus is not really a stand alone film. It needs a sequel/s to completely finish the story. Maybe that's not a bad thing, but it's something I think is good to have in a movie, especially one as divergent as Prometheus.

If you look at the sacrifice engineer and ‘Bob’, especially around the neck area, there is no way that I am accepting that they are both the same. There is a real visible difference between the two, and I for one would go with Necronom 4’s view on this to a large extent.

No what they wore are biosuits they are not turning into xenos. Necronom4 he wasnt going to mutate because he's wearing a highly advanced suit period. Furthurmore the reason IMO why the xenomorphs look the way they do is because they are "designed" beings they are supposed to have a technological organic look to them. I find no complete cororlation between an alien syphoning his suit tech no they were made that way.

@ Anunnaki50 Is the sacrifice engineer the same as Bob ? or do you claim it is down to a suit, because I'm not buying that it is just a suit difference. If you are going down the "designed" route, well thats a different proposition. I'm of the thinking that there was a transitionary state in progress that explains the difference.

I subscribe to the Morb biology angle. They engineered that suit from the goo. So cool. This could explain his ability to survive LV223 atmosphere at the end of the film, among other things. Maybe its a curse, once its on it can't be removed. The pursuit of immortality once again gone wrong? In the deleted Engineer speaks scene, when it becomes clear Weyland wants immortality, the Engineer asks "Why?", so they say. I like that response. It's scary, given what they must know.

Well according to Neil Scanlan and Neville Paige have both been into the making of the Engineers so has to be just a suit. Neville Paige designed the pressure suit as a suit.... so acts like a duck, quacks like duck...its probably a duck. What Ridley wanted was not a new "body transformation" he wanted a type of under armor for them. Whos Bob? because I call them by a different name, the regular old character names from the script. To me its down to a suit no matter how you spin it its still just a matter of wearing the technology.

This has been covered before, and i had made some detailed posts about it.... All we have is the Engineers have advanced so far that they can produce and wear suits that are Biological and that actually are able to fuse with their wearer. As i said before, people can buy and wear a Fur Coat all the Engineers have done is advanced to produce a Fur Coat that would actually bond and fuse with the body so the Fur Coat when worn would be part of your body as it is to the animal it came from.

I think its the other way around. Perhaps the original Xeno in Alien took on the biomechanical appearance of the Engineers bio suit. The designer of the Deacon should have taken this into account. Also the lack of a tail worries me.... Too far evolved from Giger's masterpiece for my liking...

I can answer those for you... 1st yes indeed there is some connection between the Engineers Bio Mechanical Tech, there suits, their ships they all have a very Gigerish connection and so does the Xeno. There has to be a link and connection, and it appears at default the Engineers are more like us than Xeno, so there Tech must have been something they either created or came across and thus they either had part in the creation of the Xeno or the Xeno had a part in the creation of the Engineers Bio Tech. 2nd as far as the Deacons look, yes lets look at it in depth it does have not tail but lets take a look at differences to a Xeno. 1) Its has no Tail... 2) Its hands are more Human i.e no 6 fingers. 3) It has more Human Teeth and not a Metal looking jaws of a Xeno 4) It was born with a Placenta... This means the Deacon carries Human DNA a lot of it in fact the reason.... Well we know the look of the Xeno came from the Face Huger, but we do not know where the Face Huger came from. Now Shaws Baby was a evolved version of a Face Huger, it was a Face Huger that grew from Shaws Embryo in her Womb after Holloways infected with Xeno Goo Sperm made Shaws infertile Eggs fertile. Thus the Shaw Baby Squid Face Huger was Part Xeno Organism Life Cycle and Part Human. This is why the resulting Embryo it implants carries Human Traits as well as Xeno Traits on to its intended target, the Engineer to produce the Deacon. We have to assume had the Engineer been Face Hugged with traditional Alien/Aliens Face Huger then he would have been Chest Busted by a Xeno, maybe one much larger and powerful than those that come from Face Hugged humans. Bob the 7.5ft Engineer would thus produced a Smaller Chest Buster that would grow to a 10ft Xeno.... or as the Engineer was supposed to be 10ft tall then it would grow to a 13ft+ Xeno. We do not know what would become of the Shaw/Xeno DNA Deacon just because it was much larger than original Xeno chest buster does not mean it would grow to like 20ft+ The Xeno goes through cycles of growth, the Chest Buster is not merely a smaller Xeno.... The Deacon would most likely be similar now to what it would be as a adult the only difference would be it would grow in size, how large is unknown. But i would assume it would grow like a Human would as opposed to shred skin like a reptile like the Xeno does, but we cant be sure on that.

Big Dave, i like your logic. However this would mean that the original Alien must have originally come from a creature which has 6 fingers and toes, a long tail and has a similar biomechanical look to it as the Engineers bio suit. This creature was either face hugged on LV426 after the crash landing, via the Zeno which bursted from the Derilicts Space Jockey, or more likely created the hugger which hugged the Space Jockey before he crash landed...... Confusing hey, but the tail at least must have come from somewhere. I think Ridley overlooked this in the design of the Deacon.

There is a connection for certain, and the Murals in Prometheus had one of a Xeno holding a Egg, now this was starting to break apart when Shaw looked at it, but the actual Mural they used in that shot was a traditional Xeno Hand Clutching a open Egg. How the Xeno came about and connection is uncertain but there is a link between Engineer and Xeno and i would not be surprised if Ridley will answer this as they are both a creation by some other being we have yet to encounter.

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