Deacon What Next?

Bigdave Could it be that the creature chasing the engineers in the tunnel and screaming be able to simply spitt or inject you with the black goo ??? implanting an embryo directly in to you be virually same thing just more time saving since no sperm plus egg to create facehugger route saving you time . Thus explaoinig the holes in the cryo tubes. An ultramorph simply grabbing you and injecting you with an egg.

I would have loved to have seen a type of facehugger (^^like in your picture^^) burst it's way out of Holloway! I personally didn't like the squid, (design wise.) I love the humanoids being morphed into eggs scenario, but I wouldn't like to see the deacon do it (unless they changed the design.) I like the idea of the eggs from ALIEN being the product of an experiment, millions of years ago. Where primitive humanoids were forced into the silo aboard the juggernaut from ALIEN, where they became the victims of some sort of Gigeresque abomination, that turned them into eggs.

Sorry to fried up your bacons but Prometheus is proof that Giger has retired to the dungeon of his castle. His involvement was mostly inspirational. The creatures designed here are creative but representing a simpler pre-evolved species than that from Alien. That's why the Deacon kinda looks like a dinosaur. They should have kept the tail and tubuals. I liked the insectoid aspect of the Xenos from Alien and Aliens but to ramp up it's alienness with some cybernetic connections like the Borg. One thing I really liked about Prometheus was the indestructibility of these creatures. Just throwing it out there...I didn't really like the human connection to the engineers. WHY? I originally imagined the pilot absolutely melded to the apparatus with No legs. Like as though he really was grown there. First taste of terrorforming or at least ..What would have been neat is when they put on the helmet they became a new creature. Kinda like the beast from KRULL Evilving from Humanoid to Alien devil beast? Like the Mural in humility to ? To think maybe in a few decades when we can watch or be in 3d Virtual movies someone will remake Prometheus. Still in keeping with that old twisted play of Good and Evil.

^^ "Remake Prometheus" I can't believe you dare speak such blasphemy here, haha! Agree with Necronom- LOVE the egg morphin' Gotta say, i can't stand James Cameron's 'Bug Hunt' vibe or the insectoid appearance and elephant sounds from the sequel. Closer we can stick to Alien DC, the better. I DO also like the evolved Deacon with the ability to directly impregnate- nice one Big Dave.

I like that idea too of having them directly inject an egg into your chest/diapragm region. Then have the host basically contain the face hugger instead of a huge leathery egg. I have to condone that mention of 'prometheus remake' its sacrilidge LOL. The Deacon should have other ways of impregnating because of its unique DNA so its reproduction cycle is going to be similar but different.

Nice comments... And by Deacon i am talking about the one at the end of the movie, it does have some similarities with the one from the Mural but then the Mural is abstract that it kind of can resemble the Deacon or even Xeno as it does not quite look like either and it may even be some kind of original Organism that predates both. The Deacon at the end of the movie is different to the Xeno.... No matter which aspect you look at be that Alien DC where these Eggs come from a unknown source only that they are Biological Warefare Weapons.... and that the Alien was able to Transform its captured victims into a Egg, well at least one and maybe it could transform more than one into Eggs which need a Victim as Host, but then guess why not capture all the crew then? This Alien and the Aliens and none DC Alien showed us that these Xenomorphs all came from a Face Huger via Eggs.... we can only assume that the Alien DC would have produced a Face Huger or kind of Face Huger that would have gone on to implant another embryo into Dallas... Both movies and indeed the whole Franchise showed us the Traditional Face Huger.... Now in Prometheus although the route to the Chest Buster Deacon was the same... i.e Face Hugged = Embryo = Chest Buster. The actual Face Huger was a result of different procedure it was not a tradtional one incubated inside a Egg, it was a hybrid one that came from one of Shaws Eggs infected with Xeno DNA. Thus the Squid Baby was a Hybrid it was a Xeno/Human Face Huger and as a result the resulting Chest Buster was more Human than Xeno. I would assume had Shaws Baby got to a Human we would have seen the same kind of Deacon only slightly different and smaller, and had the Engineer got Face Hugged by a Traditional Face Hugger we would have seen a similar yet larger Xeno to the traditional ones. You see original Xenos had a life Cycle that starts from Implanted Embryo to Chest Buster (After Face Huger implants said Embryo) Now the Chest Buster does not look fully like its Adult form, but many organisms are like this, for example insects well some start off differently such as Larvae before it becomes fully grown Adult, and goes through some kind of Metamorphosis, same for Caterpillar to Butterfly. Even Amphibians have stages such as Tadpole to Adult... Well the Deacon we saw at the end is fully developed pretty much like Mammals are when they are born, and thats why we see the Placenta etc. Thus like a Human i would assume the Deacon looks pretty much like it does when it becomes Adult, only it may grow and also become Sexually Mature. Now its this Sexually Mature part that is of importance and what route would it take... As i said Egg Morph has been done and really for a the ultimate Organism, its not a ideal way of doing things. As you require a Host to Morph to a Egg the only way this would make sense is if this process is required to produce a Egg laying Queen. Now take away the DC scene and the Xeno was pretty much a killing machine, the DC showed it had a game plan to procreate via capture and Morph of a Victim and capture of another for Host. Aliens was not so much dump bugs.... those Xenos did the same thing and that was capture victims to be used as Hosts for the Eggs, they also showed signs of great intelligence. And ok some may have just acted mindless to attack the invading Marines, but that was because the Marines was a threat and the Xeno numbers was great so they would attack knowing sacrifices would be made. A lone Xeno would approach with more caution just as it did in Alien and Alien 3. Anyway back to topic, the Queen laying Egg route is a more effective way of procreate the species. Now ideally combining the two would be ideal so that Egg Morph is used under certain circumstances... But the Deacon is a new Organism it is part Human and Egg Morph and Egg Laying has been done. Thats why i think having it able to either 1) Implant a Embryo that becomes a kind of Face Huger Chest Buster like the Holloway concept. 2) Implant a Embryo that becomes a new kind of Xeno Embryo Chest Buster. Seem to be a newer and better way to Evolve the Xeno..... But there could be a 3rd.... 3) What if the Deacon can implant a Embryo/Virus that attaches itself to the Host inside and then begins a process of changing the Hosts DNA from inside, pretty much like we see the Goo do to the Worms that became Hammerpede. We would not see no Chest Busters, instead the Deacon implants or infects the victim with a Embryo/Virus that then Mutates the Victim into a horrific new Organism. I prefer the Implant route as well infect is what the Goo does, and i think seeing a Deacon going around and Face Rape its victims like Shaws Baby did to the Last Engineer makes for a more disturbing creature.

What if the deacon reproduced sexually? Not the traditional face rape, but actually had to have sex with someone. Now that would set up for what could a very odd scene or two in the movie haha, but yeah. I think that's a possibility too. The result of that sexual encounter would be a new xeno or deacon type of organism burst of the victim's chest or stomach

I dont think they would go the route of showing the Deacon have sex with someone, so i think the whole implant via mouth options is all we shall get. Anyway i do have a feeling that Ridley will be the end of the Franchise give us clues and while we will never see what happens to the Derelict and how it got on LV 426, i am sure Ridley will answer the connection between Xeno and Engineer and how the Xeno came to be, and who the Engineers and there creators are. But i wont rule out Ridley leaving the Deacon and what becomes of it as a Mystery. So we may never know.

Well now, this is all very interesting! Hmm how will this Deacons ability to reproduce evolve? It may well be by the good old facial rape scenario. Those wide open inner jaws could envelop the chosen ones face, then the seed/goo is projected down the throat! Of course as mentioned, this particular Deacon may well have more than one method of reproduction, given it's birth origins.

The original Alien sounded as if it was raping Lambert, albeit off camera, so who knows? Dan O'Bannon- "I wanted to make the men in the audience squirm." "What could be worse than male, oral rape?"

Lol Ridley got his own back in Prometheus, with the self-c-section! I think it would be disappointing if the Deacon goes unused in the sequel. As I've mentioned before, on the last page of The Art of Prometheus, the Deacon is seen striding across the landscape with purpose. I would like to see that included!

Gigeresque abomination morphing primitive humanoids into eggs. Yes, much scarier and alien to our way of thinking than a giant alien insect laying eggs!

I've always suspected that we might not see the Deacon again, although I do wonder what it would look like. There have been a few good guesses on this site. I rarely rule anything out 100%, but the story has left that planet behind. I suppose a second ship was following the Prometheus and wants to investigate the crash, look for survivors. They could do that, but I'd like to get on with it, follow Shaw and David to the far corners of the Universe. They might do both, have two separate stories that eventually converge.

Although that the presence of the Deacon in the sequel is uncertain, I would like to see something completely new about the life cycle, for two reasons specifically: 1) It's Not a biomechanical monster born from the mind of Giger, therefore I'm not sure about the cocoon thing. 2) It's Not a Cameron's bug, and obviously the queen has nothing to contribute here. So I like the idea of a deacon with the capabilities of a facehuuger.

I do wonder if we will never see the Deacon again, well the one on LV 223... It will be left a Mystery i feel, and i also think its presence was purely as a Plot Device it was the final piece of the Prometheus Jigsaw to link to Alien. By that it shows that under a certain series of events via the Goo within the Urns we can end up with a Organism that is very reminiscent to the Xeno, yet Different as it also carries Human DNA. I felt i basically was a way to show that the stuff in the Ampule/Urns is some how connected genetically to the Xenomorph Organism or some common Ancestor/Origins. And comments by Ridley and Lindloff at the time of Prometheus release and shortly after was that any sequels would steer further away from Alien, and by that i also think they mean everything to do with Alien as far as LV 426 and the Xeno etc. And thus Paradise will focus more on who these Engineers are, where they come from, how they came to be and what there Agenda is and what has become of them now. But i do hope we get to find out about how Weyland and Yutani got merged in a future movie and does that have to revolve around a rescue mission to LV 223? Who knows, but if we do explore the Deacon in future then indeed it has to offer something different to the Original Xeno in Alien or Aliens.

"Reboot The Film From LV-223," it's the only way to be sure. :)

Ha Ha very good Custodian! :-D

To be Honest i cant see any Reboot.... I dont think Ridley wants to rubbish the ideas of Alien Franchise after Alien. He played no part in Alien Part 2 onwards and so the movie Evolved to maybe different with what he would have intended. But he did say he liked the Queen Concept. The basis of Prometheus was and is, not to show us how that Xeno on LV 426 got there or the Eggs. It was to answer why no other movie in the franchise showed who that Pilot was and where was he from and why he was carrying the Cargo. Prometheus showed us the Space Jockey was to all affects a Humanoid in a Space Suit and his Derelict was a Bomber Cargo craft these beings used to carry and store Biological Warfare on. The movie then expanded on this by showing us indeed these beings created mankind with a strange substance, and that they had a new Bio Weapon that contained another substance that just somehow had connections with the Xeno DNA as opposed to the substance that created life on Earth. Ridley and Lindeloff said the idea is the franchise will go further away from Alien one and any links to the Alien movie will be less evident in Paradise than they was in Prometheus. What links was in Prometheus... 1) Similar Star System i.e events set not far from LV 426 2) Derelict/Juggernauts and their Bio Weapon Cargos. 3) The Mural of the Deacon/Egg and Face Huger type creatures. 4) The Space Jockey Suits 5) The genetic link to Alien via Goo, i.e Hammerpede and Shaws Baby that ended up Face Hugging Engineer to produce a Deacon. Now if they plan to go further away from Alien Franchise, then most of the above may not be touched up..... only a few via Questions posed by Prometheus plot and basic plot line for Paradise. That being. 1) Where do the Engineers come from. 2) Why did they create us. 3) Why did they want us destroyed 4) What became of the Engineer Race 5) How did they come to be. These can be done without us seeing Xenos etc, as i think Prometheus wants to contain some Mystery, and i thus think the Derelict will remain such but clues are given enough and thus connection with Alien is and we may not get much expansion in Paradise... Engineer and their suits and Juggernauts are connected to Space Jockey and Derelict, and that both ships are Bio Weapon Cargo Ships only while both Cargos are connected they are different. The Engineers had contact with the Xeno, and their new Bio Weapon or Older one on LV 223 is connected to the Eggs and Xeno and basically the Engineers plaid some part in either creating the said Organism in Alien or they came across it and created the Tech from the said Organism or its Ancestor. This we know from the movie, and i am not sure we will have any further explanations in Paradise, we will get clues but i dont think as much as we got in Prometheus. However.... That said things can change.... Fox is the owner of the Franchise and they could even get rid of Ridley for part 2 and 3, that means if Fox decide they want more Xeno answers then Ridley would have to do so. Or they simply use someone else. Also we have to remember while Paradise may revolve around the Engineers home world, and history. That does not prevent a 3rd movie to tie up lose ends and give more answers to Alien, Prometheus and Paradise. And one big lose end is that if LV 223 is so close to LV 426, we know by Aliens the company has sent down people to LV 426 as cononists and some in the company was aware of something on LV 426 even as of Alien. They would also know Prometheus went to near by LV 223 but nothing was heard from them, apart from maybe transmissions David could have sent back to HQ. But certainly, unless LV 223 is Destroyed, then by Alien and very latest Aliens the company would have got Shaws SOS. And after Aliens (movie Canon not games etc) that the site of the Derelict and Xeno outbreak on LV 426 is destroyed, so the company has nothing to gain from there. But what about LV 223? LV 223 has even less hostile atmosphere, it is where links to our past is shown (Star Maps) there are temples and more than just the one, and there would be the wreckage of the Lifeboat and Shaws SOS, on top of another crashed Engineer ship. And as David said.... many more on LV 223. So yes this is a massive area that has to be covered in future and by doing so we could see what becomes of the Deacon.... Unless LV 223 is destroyed by Alien or Aliens which would tie up lose ends.... but Destroyed by who? Humans on another mission who realize like Shaw and Janek did that this place must be destroyed so nothing can get into wrong hands? By Shaw and David after Paradise? Or by Engineers or another being encountered on Paradise?

According to Ridley Scott, the juggernaut is a sister ship of the Derelict; ie two parallel spacecraft, with different technology, and different biological weapon. If the sequel is directed by Ridley Scott, then there will be nothing about the xenomorphs, and this will be a new monster. HOWEVER, this depends on who is in charge... What if the sequel will be directed by someone else? (this is not a personal desire btw, is just a hypothetical question) The visions of the filmmakers are different, because one of them can see the Deacon as a predecessor of the xenomorphs, but still we know that Ridley Scott thinks differently.

Yes depend on Ridleys vision on how he wants the franchise to change and we can speculate all we want, there is no definite why to see which way some things will go due to the Ambiguity of the movie... There is a rumor that Fox brought Lindeloff on board to spice up Spaights Script, which could mean Ridley was not massively against Spaights draft... The only things that seem to be what Paradise at least will be mainly about are the comments made by Ridley and Lindeloff, and then also the Edits and changes Ridley, and Fox execs made inc Weyland Files. Firstly Ridley stated after Prometheus that the idea was to explore the Engineers and that they are related to the Space Jockey. They wanted the movie to not be too linked to Alien and wanted to keep many questions in Alien unanswered...... More proof of that is in Ridleys comments and Lindeloffs... Lindeloff has on more than one occasions said the Ambiguity was to retain the Mystery of Alien, and to leave Prometheus posing new questions that are not related directly to Alien... He did say however that the movie does answer the questions and its not that ambiguous if you can read into the movie, as a lot is spelled out for us. Now what i think he means is via comments that cast made in the movie... for example Shaw kept saying about Outbreak and this could be Lindeloff using this to show thats what happened, even though we physically dont see the outbreak occur. Janeks comments about a Facility of Bio Weapons and how he witnessed the distruction of a Facility on Earth because one Scientist split something and they then all had to be wiped out. And how he said he felt the same thing happened on LV 223. Again is maybe Lindeloff Spoon feeding us what went down on LV 223 without showing us much of it... Hence maybe no need or reason to show us the outbreak in future movies. Like other comments throughout the movie are there on purpose, inc when Milburn pondered is that God to the Head Statue, and Davids sometimes to create one must first destroy. Anyway Ridley did go as far as to explain what happened on LV 426 in one of his interviews and so again i feel he gave us more clarification that way as he may not intend to answer it on Film. So we are left with both of those saying the idea was for the franchise to retain some element of Mystery as far as Alien connection and what went down on LV 426 and that any future movies would steer further away from the Alien franchise. We are left with these questions from Prometheus... 1) Why was we created* 2) Why did they want us destroyed* 3) Why did one Engineer survive the outbreak. 4) What is the connection with the Mural. 5) How did the Urns come to be and connection to Xeno. 6) What connection does Engineers have with the Xeno. 7) What has become of the Engineers why did they not revisit us* 8 ) What remains of their Race on Paradise* 9) Who created the Engineers and Why* 10) What is the whole Engineer or creators Agenda* Now only the Questions marked[b]*[/b][size=200][/size] may be the basis of Paradise the others we seen enough clues in Prometheus and would tread over ground covered to a degree with the movie and link to Alien. So taking them into account and comments made by Ridley and Lindeloff, and looking at the edits from Prometheus.... 1) The lack of Elders Scene 2) The lack of Engineer conversation Scene. 3) The full Engineer on Lifeboat Scene inc reading of a book shot. These all seem to point to Fox and Ridley not liking the appearance and personality shown in the movie of the Elders and Role of the Engineers. This tells me they may go for a redesign on the Elders, and maybe portray the Engineers as less independent and more servants to the Elders or who ever is top of the hierarchy on Paradise. If you take a look Psychologically at the Last Engineer scenes and those that was deleted, the theatrical basically shows the Engineer to had awoken been a bit shuck up and disorientated maybe due to Cryo Sleep... Then here David basically just tell him, somewhere along the lines that the mission to LV 223 was so Weyland can find cure for more life and the Engineer just went postal... Gets burnt during the crash and now wants take revenge on Shaw and how ever else may had survived from Prometheus Crew. Where as the deleted scenes give us a much different view, one where the Engineer is not just a mindless thug hell bent on our destruction. One where he seemed surprised and intrigued at our arrival. One where after the crash he was intrigued by the Lifeboat and the Violin Girl and Books he found on floor. It gives a more deeper view to the Engineer, and maybe hints at maybe he survived because did he really want us all dead? Or was it the arrogance of Weyland that kicked him off. The Elder scene also gave a sense of purpose to the Sacrifice and especially if we got to see the full version with Elder Dialect to the Sacrificial Engineer. Yes there are a number of questions remaining from Prometheus, yet alone those from Alien, and yes there still would be the questions of what becomes of LV 223 after the events or near events of Alien and Aliens... And how did Weyland and Yutani Merge.... but i think Paradise will mainly concentrate on the Engineers origins, Agenda and who is behind their creation. And maybe we find out why we was created in the process.

[quote]1) Why was we created* 2) Why did they want us destroyed* 3) Why did one Engineer survive the outbreak. 4) What is the connection with the Mural. 5) How did the Urns come to be and connection to Xeno. 6) What connection does Engineers have with the Xeno. 7) What has become of the Engineers why did they not revisit us* 8 ) What remains of their Race on Paradise* 9) Who created the Engineers and Why* 10) What is the whole Engineer or creators Agenda*[/quote] You think that a movie would be sufficient to answer all these questions? or would require a trilogy? Anyway the third could be used to establish connections with Alien.

I would assume the following.... 1) Why was we created* That eventually Shaw finds out about this, but who knows maybe our creation was done so with out the knowledge or permision of the Elders or who ever persides on Paradise.... kind of maybe the Engineers created us, so we can be slaves to them and perform tasks for them that they was created for to perform for the Elders who knows. But i do think we would get more clues to why we was created, just maybe not full answers. 2) Why did they want us destroyed* Again this one depend on if those on Paradise was aware of our creation or the Weaponizing of the Black Goo on LV 223, if they did not then we would maybe not get our answers fully, but Promethues granted us a few hints that seem to point to we was either created for some purpose and cherrished but our behavour and ways had offended the Engineers, or that indeed there was some reason for our creation to eventually be used as testing for the Black Goo. But its then a case of was they trying to receate or create something new from the Goo, or was it simply just a way to Test a Weapon on us first? 3) Why did one Engineer survive the outbreak. This one i think we cant expect any real answers, it may be left a Ambigious Mystrey. 4) What is the connection with the Mural. Again as above this one we may not get many clues about. 5) How did the Urns come to be and connection to Xeno. Again this as above would depend on if those on Paradise knew about LV 223 and its purpose as far as the Black Goo Cargo. 6) What connection does Engineers have with the Xeno. Maybe we would get some clues to this or maybe not and again i guess depend on if the occupants of Paradise had contact with the Xeno and knew about the Weaponized Goo in Prometheus. 7) What has become of the Engineers why did they not revisit us* Depending on how the above are answered would give us that information. 8 ) What remains of their Race on Paradise* This i feel we would in more depth find out about and will be one of the main Plot Points of the movie. 9) Who created the Engineers and Why* As above this will be one of the questions we would get much more answers about, but like Prometheus i expect the Answers to pose more Questions. 10) What is the whole Engineer or creators Agenda* Pretty much would be covered in answering the above two questions and again may leave us with just as many new questions as Answers.