Plotholes? I think not.

I agree and I tried so hard to explain why the nay-sayers shouldnt be bothering with those there are relatively no plotholes so why do people still complain it boggles me?!

Yes and the other point is the reckless nature of the scientists and their gung ho approach. Is it suprising that we may have become arrogant with a belief that nothing can stop us. We can travel faster than light, terraform planets, create life etc etc. We are the masters of the universe (or so we think) as evidenced by Weyalnds obsession with not dieing. If you stop reading a book a third of the way through you will also find plenty of holes in the story but those holes are filled in later.

One- They can't use the map as it's connected to the digital map on the Prometheus vessel, which because of the storm outside they couldn't connect to, just like when they talked with Janek they kept cutting out transmission. Where did you hear that?? That's never said in the movie...

Btw, a plot hole is an inconsistency in the story line or a GAP in the story. some gaps: *how come Holloway is disappointed after making the most important discovery in his life? *Why does no one react when Shaw crashes all bloodied into a room? *how can David read the engineer's language? *Where did some members of the crew go? Some are never seen again. There are bound to be more, but it's late and I'm tired.

A plot hole, or plothole, a play on the word "pothole," is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot, or[b] constitutes a blatant omission of relevant information regarding the plot[/b] sometimes even contradicting itself. These include such things as [b]unlikely behaviour or actions of characters[/b], illogical or impossible events, [b]events happening for no apparent reason[/b], or, statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. Plotholes? I thought so.

Op You might find this interesting: [Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/20587]plothole and answers thread[/url]

*how come Holloway is disappointed after making the most important discovery in his life? 1- "I wanted to meet them."-Holloway. (Clearly was disappointed they were all dead. Or so he thought.) *Why does no one react when Shaw crashes all bloodied into a room? 2- They don't care. simply put, most of the men that come and go are obviously mercenaries, Weyland is likely nearly blind from his age and looks awful due to his expansion of his life-span artificially. It's obvious David just wants to go and meet the "Engineer" and you have to remember the Fitfield attack happened at this time and it's likely they thought that's what her injuries were from. *how can David read the engineer's language? 3- Did you watch the film? He's studying different languages at the beginning of the film, he obviously recognises the hieroglyphics. *Where did some members of the crew go? Some are never seen again. 4- Other parts of the ship? Killed by the explosion or Fitfield. You're also wrong and tired. There are no unexplainable events just ambiguity. I've noticed that a lot of Prometheus, unlike many other films is visual in what it tells you rather than being explained through a character. For example, the crew's breathing opening the vases, causing a storm and creating an atmosphere by the end of the film. (Blue Skies) Also many hieroglyphic symbols and imagery giving a greater depth and explanation than the film does in an auditory manner. Also a certain someone in Alien touched an egg just like Milburn. So it's unfair to say that a Scientist who is obviously very excited about finding extrestrial life, is stupid to interact with it. Many people would do the same thing.

Not so sure how the crew taking their helmets off caused the Storm, there is no proof to say that the moon just has a bad weather system... I guess when people say plot holes it depends who they define them, some are just inconsistencies, others just not ideal character use or written plot.. For example the crew for most part where useless... Mercs Aside and the Pilots and David off course.... but answers are in that Vickers hand picked them... So maybe they could have gotten better crew, but Vickers may have her own Agenda and wants the mission to fail for her benefit and as long as the Pilots can fly them to and from LV223 safely and also Mercs to protect her then that is all she needed. As far as the Goo goes, well its a bit inconsistent but everyone will have their own way of trying to explain it or not.... i do not wish to make a essay on the subject but suffice to my point a most likely answer back would be that. The goo effects different Organism differently and that Engineers mutate differently to Humans if consumed or in contact.... But then the Spaights draft was simple and made sense those Nano Scarabs which Black Goo replaced was consistent. My explanation for inconsistencies is that the Goo at the start of the movie, is used to break down the genetic material of a Organism so that it breaks into a different compound/material that can merge and mutate the cells of another organism and imprint genetic traits to this new Organism, that the substance inherited from its victim who consumed it. Thus the Urns contained said result from use of the Sacrificial Substance and not the same substance. The Sacrificial Substance was thicker, it was also a metallic color before broke down. Weyland Files came along to clear up the mess, and basically made even more contradiction. I think most what people call plot holes have occurred purely because of the nature of the cut of the movie. What we have is a movie shot from a script and changed some what and we get so many hours and minutes worth of footage, that we then saw have parts cut out and parts replaced and parts that even appear to maybe be put together in slightly different order... Its as i have said plenty of times, the Draft was not too bad, when we look at all the pieces of the movie and try to logically fit them into a cut of the movie, we can find one that makes more sense and flows better. Thus only leaving a few disappointments compared to the script such as Engineer sizes, but then maybe due to budget and time they simply could not have used other effects to create our 10ft + Engineers. sorry if went off topic.... lol Yes as you said some Plot Holes are not what some would call Plot Holes.... such as Fifield being a jack £!"$ well he was in it for the money only cared about study of planets rocks and Eco system. Thats why he was not interested in taking part in what other crew wanted to do, his pups never did there job because there was glitches maybe caused by the Static and other things and also, he may not been the best man for the job on Earth... because well maybe Vickers did not want the best man for the job...

"We changed the atmosphere in the room." Which due to the well obviously had an effect on the Planet, (Blue Skies) and the Vases.

Lol ok just as I dont have much time to pick u up on one point: have you seen how simple the layout was of that place -I couldn't get lost without a 3D map let alone with one. You make up stuff about signals being needed but if I look at my google map app on my phone without internet connection on the map is still there do you really think that that far in the future technology will be worse than now. Its not hard this stuff is common sense. You know they sacked the writter yer its not just us that think things did not go well. This is not blade runner its just an amazing idea poorly executed and it will stay that way unless part 2 does something awesome.

Op In the spaihts draft the reason why there was a storm is because of the difference in temperature the day night line causes. Here is a link to thread that show the links to the legit drafts. Xeno alpha 07 provides a link to spaihts alien engineer draft in the first post: [Url=http://www.prometheus2-movie.com/community/forums/topic/28246] click here[/url] The idea for holloway taking of his helmet comes from the starbeast script when broussard takes of his helmet in the pyramid after receiving readings that the air is breath able: [Url=http://www.dailyscript.com/scripts/alien_early.html]starbeast script[/url]

djamelameziane › Did you completely miss my point that they had no where to go? Especially since they went the other way.

Op In the spaihts draft the reason they got lost is because they forgot to take the gadgets with them that show direction and layout of the temple. They simply never showed that in prometheus.

I don't think hes done any research based on his knowledge tbh. Hes not even making sense hes now saying the only reason they got lost is because they had no were to go LOL?! Do you realise how that doesn't make sense? And yes thats another common sense clue : spaight's script had logical reasons for most of the stupid parts of prometheus and if u watch him on the blu ray you can see how pissed off he was with the way it got stupified in the end result -terrible film making!

Yes well, the reason is different this time, and how do you fail to understand that they aren't lost, whenever they had no where to go except outside to the death storm. The reason they didn't leave was because they went right, presumably because they didn't want to walk past the other crew members and assumed there was another entrance/exit. Therefore they could only walk around in circles when they were told about the storm. How don't you understand this? The movie is obviously not the same story from the script. The script explanations aren't applicable.

Yes I myself am guilty of not doing research because initially I didn't know if it was worth it because there was so much info and viewpoints that I dedided to leave it because I couldn't find anything tangible to start working with outside what we see in the movie - that was until I read the starbeast script after svanya noted that prometheus was basically the starbeast script. So now I am reading all the scripts (not finished yet) - I am finished with starbeast - spaihts alien engineer - lindelofs draft - struggling to find the shooting script for alien (the one I found at alien experience cannot be the shooting script since the sj is fossiliozed outside in the outcropping outside the ship and only ash sees it in this script)-aliens first draft which end ubruptly with the fight between the marines in the processing towers (never finished ?) - wow I still have along way to go myself.

Op Yep cannot disagree with that as only what we see in the movies are really what matters . But the scripts tells you the originally envisioned idea was. But you are right.

I don't think it's necessary to investigate as I believe a script is not applicable to a movie that varies greatly from said script. Having said that thank you for being so forward and kind about it.

- "I wanted to meet them."-Holloway. (Clearly was disappointed they were all dead. Or so he thought.) Well, they also discovered alien structures, unknown goo, a giant humanoid head, a planet that has been terraformed etc... That's not good enough? 2- They don't care. simply put, most of the men that come and go are obviously mercenaries, Weyland is likely nearly blind from his age and looks awful due to his expansion of his life-span artificially. It's obvious David just wants to go and meet the "Engineer" and you have to remember the Fitfield attack happened at this time and it's likely they thought that's what her injuries were from. But why don't they care about it? They just picked her of the floor as if they already knew what she has been through. So you didn't think that was a little bit odd at all? And 'it's likely' isn't good enough for me. 3- Did you watch the film? He's studying different languages at the beginning of the film, he obviously recognises the hieroglyphics Oh yes I've seen this movie on first day. So he can suddenly read a totally new and unknown language just from studying other languages. So if you learn german, spanish, english you can suddenly speak chinese? 4- Other parts of the ship? Killed by the explosion or Fitfield Assumptions, assumptions. I'd say they used another escape pod, or they were banging each other on the Poseidon. Also a certain someone in Alien touched an egg just like Milburn. So it's unfair to say that a Scientist who is obviously very excited about finding extrestrial life, is stupid to interact with it. Many people would do the same thing. The egg didn't hiss at him three times dude. It clearly wanted to be left alone, but he still tried to pet it as if it was a chihuaha. Kane in Alien was curious, he didn't think he was in danger, where Fifield definitely should have known that that snake was extremely dangerous and pissed off.

And another thing dude. You just signed up yesterday and you come barging in here to tell people who have been here for more than a year and have discussed this movie in depth that we should think things over and use our headmeat more? Seriously?

Milburn was the one who touched the "snake", and he was arrogant as we seen before, also clearly wanted to impress Fitfield forgoing common sense. On the hieroglyphics, they said they had samples all from different civilisations on Earth. He likely learned them all. A combination of these was probably the Engineer language, plus David would've said he couldn't read it if he couldn't. For a corporation that has always been known as not-giving-a-crap about employees? No. Holloway's a selfish piece of (Swears) lol, what do you want me to say? They didn't seem that bothered about discovering the S.J in Alien, maybe they've discovered structures on other planets before and I'd say so as Holloway says "Just another tomb."

Well. I tried signing up last year, but the forum didn't like my email t'ill recently. I apologise if I appear rude but I've wanted to discuss this for a while now. I do think people in general need to use their "headmeat" more though. xD

On the hieroglyphics, they said they had samples all from different civilisations on Earth. He likely learned them all. A combination of these was probably the Engineer language, plus David would've said he couldn't read it if he couldn't. probably, aha, but we don't know that do we? Holloway's a selfish piece of (Swears) lol, what do you want me to say? They didn't seem that bothered about discovering the S.J in Alien, maybe they've discovered structures on other planets before and I'd say so as Holloway says "Just another tomb. Did you see the look on Kane's face when he climbed atop the fossilized space jockey? They were all very much surprised and they didn't have time to care about it too long because one of the crew members got facehugged.

besides the SJ was dead, what should they have done, build a camp fire around it? No, they researched the ship till everything went wrong...

Where the h*ll is Custodian when you need him...

Well he'd have need to have learnt SOMETHING to read it so... Report it? Look at it for more than five minutes? It doesn't matter really but Holloway's line "Just another Tomb." Proves that he has seen most of this before and is disappointed by both this and that they are apparently dead.

I love the idea of them making a campfire around the S.J though.

Yes and that stupid line really pisses me off. Because now we have a Weyland employee who says they knew somethingg about the Sj's, wheras in Aliens That same company, although it merged with yutani, couldn't believe a word of what Ripley was saying. If that's not a plot hole, then I don't know what is...

Your mistake is thinking anyone in W-Y is genuine.

Not to brag or anything but I got 18/20 for 'film analysis' at university for a movie that wasn't even up my ally (Vera Drake) , so this is the last thing I'm posting on this thread. Take care man, but I'm not arguing with someone who thinks this piece of sh*t movie is in the same league as Alien. this is corporal Gimm-e of the prometheus forum, signing off

I really don't think it's anywhere even near on the same level of quality of Alien, I just think it's unfairly treated because in some respects it's better than Aliens. No need to swear, you're clearly angry and seeing as you're not a Prometheus fanatic I don't see why if you dislike it you're here in the first place. I don't care how much you got for film analysis, I'm a professor in both art and English literature but it has no relevance to this discussion. See ya, and likewise.

No its clearly not on the same level as alien. The1 your digging a bigger hole lol. You have muddled things up. Fifield and milburn both say they are going straight back to the ship. They then set off BEFORE the others there is NO STORM outside at this point so all you said is basically false they dont have no were to go and the signal is perfect! Its like 2 minutes to the outside and there freaked out do you really think they wont make it with a 3d map rtc. ! Its like : left right straght on left and there out type thing look at the maps!

I suspect we will find out that Weyland had uncovered an artifact or something to that affect n Earth or another planet that gave him a clue as to what he might find/who they were. All that he was missing is where to find them. Yes David is studying the language but he seems to know what to zero in on which indicates some idea of what the language might be. He also goes off and investigtes on his own, suggesting once again a mission within the mission. Throw is that he also seemed to have some idea re what was in the urns. Is he super intelligent or just very well briefed? Will Paradise show a younger Weyland finding something?

As I stated they went the other way, I don't know why perhaps they were flustered by the dead body but they did. That direction lead towards the pile of dead bodies. They probably thought there was another exit. In the two minutes it took them to realise this, it was too late to go outside.

Very good hypothesis mirobot, I definitely hope Paradise will explore more of that History and perhaps be a more literal rather than visual film for those people whom had problems with Prometheus.

Lol ok yer your a typical lover make it all up and not watch the actual movie and realise basic problems with its logic just dont add up. You can keep ignoring the facts if you like - just seems a bit pointless not going by whats in the actual film - might as well stair at a wall and make up the story totally :p . Professor lol thats the funniest thing I heard in ages. I saw an interesting thing the other day about lovers of prometheus loving it because they WOULD do all the things the crew did in the the film - kinda says allot! :)

People interepet a movie or book based on their own views/beleifes etc. I think its great that different people see different things and are prepared to share them. It makes you look at it from a different angle. Whilst we wait for next two instalments all we can do is specualte on which way it may go. But when we look back a lot of the things that do not make sense in movie one will as the thread lines develop. I think the mission was sham, an excuse to go there. The specialists had not even met before going on board, its like it did not really matter. Weyland was running things behind the scences with his own agenda and David and his mercs were his arms and legs. The other guys were a smoke screen.

Sounds like you're the one in denial not me, because I have explained my viewpoint and you have yet to refute it successfully. It's really only a title, Professor, I did a B-tech national diploma of 7 years to get that title. Well, fifteen actually for both art and English Literature. Whether you believe me or not makes no difference to me. If you intention is to insult me, which it obviously is, I must point out that your grammar and refutation of my opinion is laughable at best. I will not be replying to you further in future due to your lack of ability to follow basic logic and your unfortunate need to resort to insults whenever you don't have a leg to stand on. Sorry to be negative, but this argument was over three replies ago.

Excellent mirobot, the most productive reply in this thread so far.

so let me see your idea is fifield and milburn walk off in the wrong direction even though its obvious which way to go then don\\\'t bother to check there 3d maps. For god knows how long. Ignore janeks warnings of the storm...lol im in the floor laughing...its so true what I said...grammer attack so high school seriously 15 16 no? Probably should explain I dont totally hate this film the over all idea is amazing its just so disappointing the way it ended up. Im actually not against the idea of David learning the language as if engineers visited ancient cultures and spoke and left artifacts with engineer language on (like we see in shaws notes on website) then some of these languages maybe could of adopted engineer language and indeed you could get the basics down enough to launch into working out their language if u were david. Its far fetched and im pretty sure the film does not cover this but that is actually logical many other parts are not.