Plotholes? I think not.

Op Prometheus was written to be over ambiguous and confusing no doubt about it . But the true beauty of the movie lies in the fact that there is something bigger - something intelligent behind the design of the xeno - they are no accident. Prometheus makes that claim alive and we can now see that there is a possible link between the engineers and the xenos. That's what I like about the movie . That's like in contact when jodie fosters character speaks to the vegan that looks like her father he tells her that they don't know who build the worm holes. I got a huge kick from that because it says that there is something bigger than us - something powerful beyond our imagination . And prometheus addresses this and I. See it as a spring board for approaching the mysteries of alien (sj and xeno) as I believe they will not really answer it but that might be a good thing. So trying to defend the potholes is a praiseworthy exercise - if we assume them to be potholes. I love prometheus for the reasons stated above - but by itself without connecting to alien it has very little value imho even if achieves the bigger goal as I described above because then the bigger picture means nothing if it doesn't describe the beings deities that's behind the xeno and the engineers. But I applaud your intentions. I just feel that the true value of prometheus will be achieved when we se p3 tie into alien. That's why p2 has got to be really good. And will ridley be around to do it ?

A hierachy of beings tha might be actually be controlling everything !! I wish I had your degrees !! Mu spelling and grammar is horrible !! Lol !! Think of prometheuis as a necessity . Something without which the frachise would have died a slow death. I have tried every conceivable idea to try and explain the mysteries plot holes and have failed on many. If you really feel the need to solve then try the thread on what happened to the engineers on lv 223. . That's a tough one. As for the black liquid I am of the opinion that the black goo at the start of the is a virus that breaks down the being that consumes it and turns it into a virus that can write itself into the genome of any life form that comes into contact with or tha also orally ingests it. You break down a xeno by giving it this stuff and I believe the resultant virus is what is found inside the urns that was inside the amoule room.

The main plot hole imo about Milburn and Fifield being lost is why Janek had to ask where they were when the rest of the team arrived back at the ship. This is highlighted later when both Milburn and Fifield are next to the pile of dead SJ’s and Milburn confirms their position to Janek as 7401477. I say confirm, because Milburn and Fifields position are clearly seen on the halographic layout. So why did Janek not know their whereabouts earlier?

Correct Batchpool, twice Janke tells them he cannot see the vid feed when he clearly can. As I have mentioned previously I believe there is something else going on here and there was a mission within the mission. Weyland/David/Janke may have deliberately misled them, jammed their 'GPS' etc because they had other motives and wanted them to get lost. Weyland and co seem to be on a completely different page to the rest of the crew.

There certainly are inconsistencies throughout the film, but to be honest, as much as it pains me to say, I really think that it is down to Ridley applying his own idea's into a already finished script. For example; Spaihts finishes his final draft. Ridley likes it but feels that it needs a different perspective. Lindelof's hired and does a re-write. Ridley likes it but wants to change certain elements. Production begins and THROUGHOUT the process, Ridley has idea's that he wants to throw into the mix. This results in a film that is inconsistent and confusing. That's just my opinion. The only REAL problem I have with PROMETHEUS is the ending. The last 30 mins or so. I love the rest! Just thought i'd throw that in.

The way I see it, is that anything that appears to be a plot hole or inconsistency is merely a mechanism to raise questions, and allow a point of entry to provide a means of continuing the story into another movie. Prometheus was conceived as being a movie that could stand on its own as well as set up the need for more. If no questions were raised in Prometheus, then there would be no anticipation for something more.

@ The PO, there is no need to talk about your education, we couldn't care less about it. IMO. I don't care if the opinion comes from a Phd or from the boy who sells me a ticket, to me all the opinions worth the same, the difference is the way people use to express them selves, and don't bring that thing about you were no trying to be negative when you were trying to do it, all seems as you are writting it, to be 'readed' and no more than that. plot holes or no plot holes, the treatment to the scientist is a joke! , and there is a lot of things more that brought us a big disappointment, and how on earth could categorized something Lindelof wrote as off of plot holes? anyway, welcome to the site, is filled with information contributed by members here since time ago, so I hope you will enjoy all the reading you will find here.

Guys Guys Guys.... it does not matter what qualifications etc you have i could be the King of England and it would not mean my views are better than anyone elses... Every one has their opinion and i think we should try and respect them even if we disagree. @The1PerfectOrganism They did get lost in the Temple, now Milburn was proper lost reason well its not his field of expertise and Fifield well he really was a clown and not the greatest for the job. What we have to look at to back up how could they have got lost is, well maybe the Pups was not doing there job because they take time to start to map and when it did map enough the storm causes interference we can see this from when they tried to contact Prometheus and the transmission was not clear or stable. We do not have enough evidence in the movie to suggest how the crew would find there way out via the map process unless its in their visor in which case they all should been able to, and only Shaw and Fifield carry the different looking box with a torch light, is this a map? Not sure. Maybe they need directions via the ships map and so had to get them from Prometheus? Also Fifield was spooked and the tunnels looked like a Labyrinth and you could see they was lost, we cant explain maybe why they got lost but they did at first get lost.... We can only assume as they was spooked they ended up taking a wrong turn and well got stuck in a labyrinth.... Why did the others not get lost? David 8 off course he is a Android and he would no doubt be able to remember every step and turn they took to get to where they was without maybe the help of any map. Thats only real valid reason to how they never got lost and Fifield and Milburn did. Also we have to remember when they left the others and got lost it was not for like hours, and as OP stated, once the other crew had left... Fifield and Milburn could not leave as the Storm had came in and it would be too dangerous to go outside. Maybe just maybe they took a wrong turn and in the area they was they could not get communication with the Ship, as they received info off Janek about the Storm after Shaw etc did. Unless it was a individual communication to Shaws crew and Janek neglected to inform Milburn and Fifield at same time. As well we did see Janek pretty much never cared much about their safety while they was down there.

As far as David translating the Engineers Language. Again there Language Verbally is based on Ancient Proto Indo European and he was being taught that by a Professor while on the Ship, and David would have studded vast amounts of Ancient Languages and Hieroglyphs etc. He was basically the Ships C3P0 lol and the Weyland Files and Draft shows that Davids Eyes can detect things and see different spectrum than our eyes can. And the draft suggest that there was in the air Engineer Hieroglyphs that would have been invisible to the Human Crew but not to David. Essentially David being able to speak and read Engineer is not a plot hole at all.

@the1perfectorganism I'm sorry that I was so cranky yesterday. I went to the halloween-night friday and I drove straight to work after. So I still have a whiplash regarding my total hours of sleep. Welcome to the site and I hope I didn't offend you too much. But you can't deny that there's absolutely nothing wrong with this movie. And the reason I'm here is because ALien 3 scared me sh*tless when I was a kid. Have you ever visited a toy store when you were young and you looked away from all the alien stuf there? I did. Hope to see you soon, and just because you signed up 2 days ago, doesn't mean your opinion is inferior to others. Greetz from Gimm-e

I wouldn't have said anything about my Education had Gimm-e not. In fact I was just proving the point that I don't care about backgrounds and neither should any of you. And yes, I attacked your grammar because it is simply horrid and finally, it's quite obvious Janek was hiding something from those two a genuine man whom just flew the ship but he also took orders from "the company". Just like Vickers gave David his own little mission and so did Peter Weyland within that. Prometheus leaves a lot of ambiguity yes, but at least in an artful manner which is all you can expect from film, in fact Alien leaves more questions concerning Kane's son than the whole of Prometheus. We're just in a technological age now when people despise not having the answers to every-little detail. And as for Fitfield and Milburn so what if they're stupid or aren't? "This is a commercial run, they ain't telling us shit." Proves the very point that everyone except Dr. Holloway and Dr. Shaw and the higher ups had no idea what they were getting into.

Gimm-e, it's totally fine everyone has their ups and downs. Yeah there's plenty wrong with the film, as there is with any film but I honestly thing it's not any worse than the Alien3 D.C and the hate it gets is unreasonable compared to the roads it opened up to the franchise. Thank you for your apology and I hope you didn't take anything I said the wrong way either.

"The main plot hole imo about Milburn and Fifield being lost is why Janek had to ask where they were when the rest of the team arrived back at the ship. This is highlighted later when both Milburn and Fifield are next to the pile of dead SJ’s and Milburn confirms their position to Janek as 7401477. I say confirm, because Milburn and Fifields position are clearly seen on the holographic layout. So why did Janek not know their whereabouts earlier?" Lol oh yer another one to add to the hundreds already out there - thats so funny two markers saying F and M above them show the exact position then janek asking were are they lol! They also seem to know which way is east and west and they are talking clearly to each other so clear everything is still working absolutely fine! This means that the storm did not affect there maps. And no Janek had no indication of any other secrete mission. Sooo many mistakes.

Yes indeed they as most never knew what the mission was. And also Vickers was not interested in this mission, she would rather the Company never funded vast amounts of money and bothered. She had a agenda and she hand picked the crew so she may have known Fifield was not the ideal man for the job, but thats why she picked him. She was not interested in finding what Weyland hopped for, she would rather have saved the money as to leave the company better off for when she would gain control of it. I think a lot of problems arise from some areas of the script and how it was shot, in that some things could have been less ambiguous or some things had more sound clues. I am not talking every scene, but lets take the getting lost one.... Fifield was spooked he wanted no part of this mission they found dead bodies and he must known something killed them or caused them to die and he wanted no part in that. So he was freaked out and wanted back to ship ASAP... if they added a scene where he was holding some kind of map device that read what the pups had mapped and as he was looking at it they turned a corner and pumped into another Dead Engineer and dropped the map in shock or tripped over the body.. Fifield could then go made and like $"£% thats great now the maps broke.... Milburn would be like well thats %$"£%" great how we going to get out of here now... The stressed Fifiield would be even more so now that Milburn is stressed and Milburn is no expert at finding his way out of caves etc and a stressed and spooked Fifield with anger problems would be even more angry now his map is useless.. This anger with stress can lead to people especially those who are not calm and stable anyway to basically make mistakes... This would have explained better to how they got lost for a period. And its as i said the reason the others not so lost can also be attributed to that David would we could assume be able to retrace their every step.

Nah man, we're cool. And I also agree that Alien 3 doesn't get the credit it deserves. But Fincher did a great job imo considering they started shooting when the script wasn't even finished. But about the grammar comment. This is a global site and we all do our very best to use the English language the best way we can. Everyone dislikes the grammar-police here, just saying.

I'm sorry about the grammar comment, I'm very much stuck in an English/Irish writing mindset in which Grammar shows intelligence, I will refrain from that in future. About Alien3 what do you personally think of them retconning Hicks death in Colonial Marines?

Albert Einstein's grammar and spelling were awful clearly that way of thinking its self is totally stupid. I'm seeing a pattern here :D .

Hey Grammar does not be the only means to measure intelligence, and even if someones IQ was 75 or 150 should not matter to them having their own views even if they are correct or wrong... Talking about Grammar etc well sometimes it would take David 8 to Translate and Understand my Posts ;)

@djamelameziane As I said I will refrain from such in future, I've seen the fault in this. Your weak insult is simply immature.

@BigDave; I don't know about king of England, but you could defo talk for England Haha. There are certain parts of the film that don't make much sense to the average audience member. I personally didn't even take much notice to some of the issues that others have, like, Milburn and Fifield getting lost and Milburn trying to make friends with the hammerpede. However, now I wonder why the hell did Milburn do that? He's supposed to be an expert in creatures, right? Could he not tell that the snake was p**sed off and ready to strike? He was behaving like he was stoned. Did he also have "tobacco" in his helmet? The other gripe I have is with them taking their helmets off in an alien environment. Even though the scans showed that the air was clean, any rational person would have kept theirs on, just incase! Actually, i'm starting to get angry now just thinking about how stupid they were! I mean, what was the point of that scene anyway? Was it to show how moronic they were? Was it to show that scientists may be really intelligent but have zero common sense? Well, as this thread seems to be the place to vent ones anger, I will proceed to vent. ALL the crew are thick as f**k! The crew of the Nostromo were feckin miners and they make the crew of the Prometheus look like a bunch of brain dead apes. @The1PerfectOrgasm; The English language is a second language for a lot of the members on this forum, and they do a very good job considering! I don't agree that someone should be judged on their intelligence by their use of grammer. It's the substance of the comment that matters! :)

Exactly Necro its sooo obvious that many of these muddled parts are there because of the bad finish it all got with lindelof then scott trying to add bits at the last minute or simply wanting to do things for cinematic effect for want of a better word. They took there helmets off to create tension in the film and get better shots for RIdley is just one example sacrificing realism - many film do this kind of thing its just when the film is supposed to be real like this one it totally messes it up! Just had a look at that whole getting lost part of the film and I just realised they must have been lost and listening to all the radio conversations for ages and had a 3D map it wasnt just like a few minutes - they had left for like 5 minutes when janek starts to say the storm is coming then you have vickers saying they have 15 minutes before the ships doors are closed all of which mill and fifield would of heard. Sooo obviously not thought through!! They would of worked out in seconds they were going the wrong way even if they were below average intelligence - they clearly state they know which way is east later on after the storm kicks in man its so clear as day anyone denying this needs help! I probably should add my explanation for this : they wanted a way to get them lost to do the snake scene it plain and simple lindelof and ridley wanting that scene and just not being very good at making it come about in a real way - I just hope this new script writer is amazing because if no one else is checking these things and ridley just throws a few more in its going to end up messing up in these areas again. I agree its not the worst scene like the helmet one - god that will go down in history as one of the most almighty f ups ever if part 2 does not give some new reasoning to it :O !

Yeah I agree. They obviously made it this way for the sake of continuity. But Ridley has sacrificed realism to show these idiotic moments. Surely he could have done it a different way. A big part of Ridley's craft and what he is well known for, is making his films as realistic and believable as possible. Instead of having Milburn trying to make friends with the snake, why didn't they make it so he backs away from it, very slowly, while telling Fifield not to run away or make any fast movements. The hammerpede then gets closer and closer as they both back away, and then strikes. That would have been more realistic, while at the same time, sticking to the continuity of the story. But i'll tell ya, the one thing that baffles my brain the most about all this, is the fact that i'm obsessed with a film that frustrates the f**k out of me! It's like I love it and hate it in equal measures LOL

There is a minor bug related to one of the mercenaries (but is independent of the editing process) and apparently there are a couple of twins [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/revelados-extras-el-final-alternativo-prometh-L-UCTHfY_zps683d370e.jpeg[/img] And one of these twins survived during the attack of Fifield [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Vladimir_zps6a891ca6.jpg[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/vladimir4_zps21dde2e7.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/vladimir3_zps89e01f21.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/Sheppard_zps47bcafa4.jpg[/img] Then ... Where was this guy in the scene with the latest Engineer? or during the kamikaze attack against the Juggernaut? Do we have another survivor for the sequel? :p [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/shoot1_zps93a9be77.png[/img] [img]http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj636/skybeast3/w8bJatt_zpsdbfcca52.jpg[/img]

Love the last shot its the only one that creates a good illusion of the Engineer you could be fooled that he is like 9ft plus here... But even so how the angle is and measurements would put Engineer at 8ft this is considering Merc is 6ft, but then Merc pose is bent so takes height off and so take into account that then we get Engineer size of just over 7.5ft lol.

As far as the Helmet Scene... Again their readings suggest atmosphere is clean, and breathable and David confirms this and Ford confirms cleaner than Earth Actually. Now Holloway is a different kind of Scientist and he is very excited and in the moment of excitement and having been told Air is Breathable he takes off his Helmet. Shaw causes him a Crazy So and So. Also maybe they should be more cautious as you dont know what kinds of microbes could be airborne etc... and can we trust the crews equipments? As dont forget they detected no hostile microbes or cotangents when they scanned the Engineer head, yet latter detected signs of cell changes and a cotangent thus outbreak.

Helmet scene : exactly - they dont detect the black goo or the green goo on the panel or the alive engineer or the dead one or god knows what else - there could of been traps / security none of which come up on scanners and they only really know whats in that room and a few others at that point - what about around the corner! And almost more importantly they are contaminating the environment even people who are not 'top scientists' (in Ridleys own words) every-day idiots know a find like this you go in sterile and try your damnedest to not contaminate the scene so you know what was already there etc. etc. in the future - you have no idea what your bacteria / viruses etc. would do in that place and to future studies. But yet again the director / lindelof wants to shoot with helmets off to see there breath to make it feel more tense etc. etc. - forget reality and what would actually happen...it goes on and on the list of reasons that just would not happen...just hope they make it more real this time round because I know allot of people that wont go to see it if its not and it could mark the beginning of the end...

I really didn't like the helmet thing but without it the vases would've never leaked and the story wouldn't work.

David's ladder was not a plothole.

Op That's a good point - but remember that the room was under pressure - when the door opened it shot out some gas and you could see the through the entire room a cloud of vapour running through as if the atmosphere in the tunnels was reacting with the atmosphere inside the ampule room. I don't think it was their breath - it was the temperature the content of the atmosphere remember that when david opened the door shaw and ford coughed. It wasn't very breath able inside the ampule room . Why ? More than likely because the ampules weren't sealed for transportation yet. The ampule room I believe was where the ampules were filled with broken down xeno virus and I believe the green crystal uses holographic technology to "beam" the virus out of the green crystal into the ampules. Afterwards they are sealed and then the atmosphere can't make them deliver their content. These vases were made to be dropped in the water supplies of a planet and then the water gets infected and all turns into xeno type creatures. So I believe the atmosphere in the ampule room had no oxygen - vapour - water - and was kept under pressure at a lower temperature to ensure that the contents doesn't become reactive. Once they are dropped their safety switch will be disarmed. That's probably why the engineers ran there as they were infected and the atmosphere inside would help slow the infection they had - my theory. So somewhere probably on the jugg one ampule probably wasn't sealed properly and got them infected- perha- nope that's enough.....

I thought that the idea of David being able to read the hieroglyphs was answered when Shaw says, "Can you read what is says?" and David replies, "Perhaps?". So with good ol'David, that could mean anything?

David very most likely could read, his perhaps could have been to throw Shaw etc off, remember David had his own Agenda. So who knows, maybe he could not translate everything but he would have gathered enough information to make a educated guess maybe? Meaning he may have roughly understood what he was doing. @oduodu Well it is interesting as to why they tried to get to that room, but we do not know enough about the lay out of the place, and so it could be that all the Ships are attached to that central area via corridors and these branch off from the center, so these passage ways each lead to a ship. If thats the case they could be running from one ship and trying to get to another in which case they may have had to get to the central room. But again as i dont have a exact map of the temple complex etc i could be just as wrong. In Spaights draft the Engineers was running towards the room where the Terra Forming was going on, i.e where Holloway took his Helmet off and these Engineers was trying to jump down that Well/Hole in order to commit suicide so they do not fall foul to the infection. Again we cant use everything in that draft to use as canon and the explanations to Prometheus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maOhqZUNldk @Necronom 4. totally agree! 'Prometheus, if you're watching this FREAKSHOW, we are taking our helmets off. ;) @The1perfect organism I can see you took the trouble to read my topic. Thanks! As for Colonial Marines...I got bored after an hour playing the storyline. I really wanted to play as an alien in multiplayer. And as for Hick's return, pfff...don't know what to think, man. Gearbox and Randy Pitchfraud lied to us, showing a different trailer than the final product...they ffed up, and Prometheus didn't do the franchise much good either.

Bigdave Yep. Certainly the ideas cannot be used as it is not established in the movie and we don't know what the fanbase would agree upon - therefore I can only show what the original intention was and that even lindelofs draft things weren't as ambiguous as this . Op Please read the spaihts and lindeloff drafts you'l see the only time outside of the ship they removed their helmets was on the juggernaut because it had an atmosphere and david informed them that the infection that got to holloway wasn't airborne. Then tou will see to how much trouble ridley fox brandywine (?????) Went to ensure that things pertinently didn't make sense and from the starbeast script it seems an unused idea when brousard takes of his helmet/mask after seeing the air was breath able. I implore you to so !!!!! You gonna save yourself a lot of trouble !!!! What was that ??? Albert einstein and me has something in common - poor grammar and spelling ???? LMFAO !!!!!!

Bigdave But that is interesting though. Did the engineers run there to get broken up into the virus. Perhaps they went there as there may have been some of the original goo the sacrificail engineer drank and thereby committing suicide ???

@Gimm-e; Nice song bro! Look at this: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x1YuvUQFJ0]Click Here[/url] I've watched it about 6 times now. I find it highly amusing! You've probably seen it though.

[quote]I really didn't like the helmet thing but without it the vases would've never leaked and the story wouldn't work. [/quote] Not exactly the same, but I guess it's not much different from the first movie when Kane (and the Facehugger) returns to the ship, without that we have no monster on board.

Shambs; Kane didn't take his helmet off

Ahemm.....

@oduodu Guess we will never know, its like i have said the Drafts give more insight and sometimes like with deleted scenes that explain or help us to interpret clues better.. Do we only go by what we see in the movie and have to scrap every bit of information from the drafts etc... Maybe the easiest explanation is the best, and that is as maybe there is a central part of the Temple which the Ampule room is part of, maybe this central area has branches of tunnels going to it and some of these each lead to a different ship bay and the other leads to the entrance to the caves etc. Then if they was running from something they would try to get to the ampule room because they could then maybe seal the place from within? These raises questions through and holes, as well surely they may have sealed it or if it was sealed then how did David open it from outside and if he could then surely other Engineers could who get locked out. Also if the basis is they was all infected then why did they want to get to that room, maybe getting to that room and then from there to the Juggernauts they are able to somehow prevent or slow down the infection, for example in Cryo Sleep. Maybe the Chest Bust Cryo Pods are just the Goo exploding from within...? Maybe the Last Engineer got to his chamber fastest and thus his infection was in early stages before he could have put stop to it. This would explain why he went postal and then went to carry on the mission knowing he is infected.. But again this poses a hole, as surely that would mean the Pilot Seat would contain or slow down the infection, because if not then we see it must not have been days for the outbreak to finish off those Engineers, maybe not even hours or even a hour. While we can assume at early stage of infection getting into Cryo Sleep may prevent rate of infection, surely flying the ship in Space Jockey suit would not? Well not long enough to reach Earth.... Which logically means the Last Engineer must have escaped the infection and outbreak.

Or the last enigeer caused the outbreak, came there to kill them all and take out earth, maybe with others, maybe with his 'pets'.