Does this Interview with Spaihts prove that Prometheus is not the movie Ridley Scott wanted ??

Becauise if this is the truth then the following: Ridley definitely did not want to move away from the facehuggers and xenos. Fox told him to hire lindelof and the resultant movie wasn't ridleys fault. Is this for real ??

Well as far as i remember, Ridley gave Spaights Draft the Green Light but then Fox execs felt that it needed to be toned down a bit as far as Xeno connection, and Ridley agreed that was good idea. As the bigger mystery was who was the Space Jockey and his Race. So Fox got Lindeloff and after he did a number of drafts Ridley and Fox finally agreed and gave it the Green Light. But to be fair to Lindeloff his draft was not bad, and it was correct to tone down the Xeno connections etc... Problem was changes to how the draft was shot on film and even so, a lot of stuff from the draft was shot and lots was added, and then these things dropped, well scenes cut out and we seem to have gotten a movie that was then pieced together where some scenes are not in correct order.. The Whole Shaw C-Section Fifield, and running to room where Weyland was, this was a edit and cut scenes... it appears originally Shaws scene happened then before the Fifield Attack. But this fuller alternative shot was never shown, as it had Weyland being escorted to the APC, and Shaw was the one who ran over Fifield.

Well spaihts was pretty clear in his comments. Anyhow I just feel that this article shows ridley was told to do as he did and perhaps his inclination from the start was to do a purely alien prequel. Well I just feel tjhis sums it up pretty clearly. Ridley was told what to do and deacon at the end was just inserted to keep the xenomorph link alive. I just feel that p1 wasn't ultimately what ridley wanted and he can't really say it out loud - he was prevented by contract from doing so I guess. But my faith in ridley is restored and this does put things into perspective.

Just as i answered in the other thread, i think the move was a good one, but i do wish someone else had come on board and looked at both final drafts from Lindeloff and Spaights and tried to marry the best elements of both together. I think the Space Jockey/Engineers is more important than the Xeno as its been done to death, only thing we would wanted to know was more of how it came to be and where from and thus only wish was their was more clues regarding that. Because then Alien and the Xeno could be put to bed and we concentrate on the Space Jockey/Engineer race...

I agree but that may not have been ridleys idea. As well as creating a new mythology - I am nit sure that may have been ridleys idea. But it may have been for the better. But at least people(me included) can stop blaming ridley for the way p1 ended up. So alien (franchise) fans stop blaming ridley if it wasn t the alien prequel you wanted. That's the main point for me !!!

Ridley definitely did not want to move away from the facehuggers and xenos. Fox told him to hire lindelof and the resultant movie wasn't ridleys fault. If this is true, then Lindeloff is an even bigger *sshole than I thought. But it looks to me like they just want to put the blame on one person and that they themselves had nothing to do with it at all... They are all responsible for this fiasco.

Guys watch the Documentary "The Furious Gods, the Making of Prometheus", it explains everything. It's really good. :) BigDave is correct, Ridley absolutely did want to explore the origins of the Space Jockey in the movie, he has for a very longtime.

Opinions are like *ssholes, we all have one and they all stink! Just saying because there's alot of criticisms regarding the movie.

Listen to Svanya she speaks the truth about the Space Jockey race.

Man I dont really like Jon Spaights anymore, hearing about him still is annoying. Jack Paglen is who Im putting my money on in 2015-2016.

To me the alien movies are at the forfront of concept/design and still to this day originality. I dont think the script was that bad. To be honest it added alot to the alien universe. I would love to see a alien movie by ridley scott with absolutely no other influences (the fox network, producers). Completely his vision.

Annu, Me too, i lost so much respect for Spaights while watching with writer commentary. Spaights has such an arrogance about him- it is obvious even just in the way he says things. Not to mention that in literally every scene he starts with " In mmyyy original draft" Seriously, i can't stand even the way he speaks, it's too deliberately pronounced, like a forced eloquence. What a piece of work. I can't stand the guy. Lindelof may have his faults, but he comes across so humble and level-headed. Class act. PS - fashioning super-glasses out of dead Engineer lenses- give your head a shake guy! What an idiot.

Well dont mean we cant blame Ridley lol.... But then i guess we can not be sure if the edits and cuts again was forced onto Ridley. As this is where the movie let down, apart from also the Engineers not so much being Giants. I do like the way Spaights script is written it makes more sense and is consistent and better character use if not a tad generic. But i prefer Lindeloffs ideas just not his execution of said ideas. If we had gone with Spaights draft then to me we would have ended up with a Alien Resurrection Again with Engineers.... And then we would got some inconsistencies, to why when the company had sent a failed mission to LV 426 and came across all these Xenos, and Temples and Giant Beings and Jugernaughts etc. Did the company not seem to have much of a clue about LV 426 in Alien let alone Aliens and while the temple and goings on LV 426 in Spaights draft could have happened on the other side of LV 426, surely the company would have detected the remains of what was found etc. To me moving the planet to being near by LV 223 makes much much more sense, and especially fits in with the Derelict leaving and not getting far. As opposed to take off then crash back on LV 426 well thats a short journey.... Unless the idea would have been the Derelict was carrying its Cargo to the outpost found on LV 426 in Spaights draft.

I found a safe copy of the documentary "The Furious Gods: Making of Prometheus"!! Here, please everyone watch it if you haven't, it explains so much about Prometheus, it's a must-see imo. [url=http://www.twitch.tv/sicktistik/b/334331177]The Furious Gods: Making of Prometheus[/url] ~Enjoy! :)

I think this needs verifying but tbh it was obvious spaights was pissed off in the blu ray and I totally agree with him - his script made total sense even though I felt his script needed changing for the final film - it was not an amazing story but at least it all pretty much made sense. It really astonishes me that people are still not realising even after spiaghts is saying all this and lindelof was sacked etc. etc. that the first part was a mess! All the evidence clear as daylight now. It is impossible to know the whole truth though yet I thought Ridley wanted engineers as the main part but possibly he didnt want some other things - im sure there was allot of meddling from fox -who were probably at the centre of all the crappy messy stuff outside of the film as well - viral websites etc...(even though the video content was quiet good live happy birthday david - (not fox) ). lol annu : "Man I dont really like Jon Spaights anymore, hearing about him still is annoying. Jack Paglen is who Im putting my money on in 2015-2016." did that mean your putting money on Jack Paglen writing the script for prometheus 2 that officially he has already written - kind of a sure bet?! :O I must admit Jack Paglen does look interesting transcendence looks very very interesting : [url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_2]http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2209764/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_2[/url] hopfully :S !!

I think someone needs make a thread..... Spaights vs Lindeloff to discus the pros and cons of both drafts and voice which they like. I was going to start one, but someone else can if they want.... When i look at say both scripts and add plots and think now if i had the last touch and could mix and match ideas which would i choose. And the draft i would make would have mainly Lindeloffs ideas, now yes it would have Spaights ideas as he was the reason for so many of them, i just liked Lindeloffs Evolution of the ideas. Lindeloffs work wins hands down for me, as far as changing the plot.... however his execution of it is flawed and while its ambiguous there is ambiguity and then there is plain making no sense but then anyone who watched Lost would notice that lol i gonna be busy now but i will post later my pros and cons and what i liked and never liked about both ideas from these writers.

Ok I'll reserve judgement until I've seen the furious god documentary.

I am not saying ridley was against p1 as it was released but I what mean is that it wasn't exactly what he envisioned. The alien engineer draft does explore the mystery of the sj. Once again the main point for me is that the way p1 was made as spaihts talks about 2 visions lindeloff had to balance(so that you are not quite sure if it is an alien prequel ie the same universe and exploring the sj / engineers) that was what made the movie "bad" so to speak. Lindeloff had to do a very difficult thing. My point is : ridley is not to blame for this. He (ridley) was interested to start a new franchise as spaihts indicated and the spaihts draft could also be used as a starting point.

Just out of curiosity: how many people will watch an movie that is purely about the engineers ??I will if it explains the difference in the sj and engineers size BECAUSE I want to know for sure beyond any shadow of a doubt that p1 and a1 share the same universe. As long as fox instructs writers to write stories that continues to pussyfoot around whether or not the two franchises share the same universe then how can a link be established to the origins of the xeno ?? Then how does the sj end up on lv 426 with a cargo of eggs ?? How wil they link it ????

Pre Prometheus, Ridley was enthusiastic and talked about how good it felt to return to Sci-fi and gave the impression that things would move very quickly towards a sequel or sequels.

Post Prometheus, due to it's mixed reaction, I wonder if Ridley feels disappointed, and that, perhaps is why he has thrown himself into other projects rather than get on with continuing the story?

I feel really sad, because given how Brandywine/Fox interfered with ALIEN, he probably felt that after the passage of time and his development as a highly regarded director, that they would have just trusted him and let him get on with it. He gives his all to these projects and is totally focused and committed, yet still has to contend with budget restraints and studio interference.

I just hope he hasn't lost all enthusiasm for the project. Given that he started it all with ALIEN, it would be great to have him finish it with a new trilogy.

@oduodu It will be canon and in same universe well time line, yes that would leave a potential plot hole in that what becomes of LV223 by Alien and Aliens and i would assume after Paradise Shaw and David go to LV 223 to basically take care of whats left and destroy that outpost.... Or else some other way it is destroyed by time of Aliens. As far as the SJ i do not think Ridley will show us anything about the Derelict and LV 426... all he has to do is show us more less ambiguously a connection to Engineers and Xeno Eggs and then basically we would have enough to know that the Engineer on the Derelict was carrying Eggs and for some purpose before the Cargo was compromised. Ridley has explained it before though.... Now size difference, yes Ridley can address this as Prometheus was was shown 9-10ft beings in Engineers who was supposed to be 10-15ft in drafts. We could all tell they only fooled us to see them as about 8ft tall.. and the Space Jockey was between 13-15ft so there is a inconsistency but that can be addressed by showing us different types of Humanoids created by those who created the Engineers. So we have Mankind who vary a lot but on average stand between 4.5 to 6.5ft with 5.5ft being average. We then have Engineers from LV 223 who could stand between 7 to 9ft and average at 8ft. And we can be shown a taller variation that stand 10-15ft... Now a Space Jockey Suit could make a 10-12 foot Engineer 11-13ft tall, then ossification could make the dead Suited Engineer grow from 11-13ft to 13-15ft and viola we have our discrepancy sorted.