Scientists destroy Prometheus!

Right, can we stop bitchin please? I don't want this thread to be locked..

Come on people, you're better than this! @Necro- I was locked once..........inside a locker, by a smartass Morb! @Major Noob- a ship's cat has been a tradition for hundreds of years. Just sayin'!

I know Lone. Damn morb! :)

Its ok I finished :) . Hes just sore I destroyed him in another thread. You know someones lost when they start attcking spelling etc...even if they are typing with one thumb whilst working at the same time :D .

Well i have skipped this thread as seems just nothing positive to contribute to the movie on it... I will add my two cents to the OP and not comments. First i would hardly call these guys in the video scientists, and some of their views are not science based and they even have no understanding its a movie and SCI FI not SCI FACT! I lost interest years ago in what this video was trying to say i could not watch it all as well they seem to no JACK Sushi! Besides the movie will have flaws and things that go against what would happen in real life.. 1) Its SCI FI and thus fictional and so many aspects are not real, well not proven FACT... Come on Giants Humanoids created us via a Goo... this is just made up... but then even the believe in real Magical God is well not proven and then Atheist cant disprove either. 2) Which brings me to the things in this movie as far as Tech etc, again we ant got none of that Tech yet... Realistic Androids etc etc, so its not real or fact.... but then we can not prove that we could not get to that level in 80 years time. 3) While we can debate about the Tech side such as achieving faster than light speed travel and cryo pods... which i explained above in 2).... what else we are left with is other made up stuff like Alien beings and links to a made up Alien Creature. Xenos do not exist.... only in Film.... and thats the point, its a fictional story and if you look at most movies that are based on Fact and Truth well they kinda make for bland movies.... Some movies stretch of exaggerate what is real, like some Horrors like Texas Chainsaw Massacre or even Fast and Furious movies etc.... but hey its done to make a interesting story.... You see for most part real life is boring, we use movies as a escape, to engage in other worlds other lives that are either far far from what we will ever do in our lives or even be complete fantasy. Yes some things in the movie are flawed but not many movies are Perfect.... And i think those so called Scientist fail to grasp the concept of.... SCIENCE FICTION...... That is they are Fictional Movies based on Future, Space, Robots and other Tech that would be classed under Science of Future or Science of another World... Scientists.... yeah and Milburn and Fifield are too lol

Regards to Fifield and Milburns actions.... Yes silly yes how did they manage to get lost etc etc.... simply put this is a movie a fiction one, and one where they wanted to add some elements of Horror to it and thus provide them as canon fodder. The same applies with many Horror movies, how many Horror movies, Zombie Movies etc etc etc have we seen when some casualtiies end up dead because they did stupid stuff that well you would just not do in real life.. Your left thinking that was a dumb thing to do, and they deserved to die... (this applies to numerous and countless Horror movie canon fodder). The reasons are, these characters are not main ones, they are not intended to survive and they are just plot devices for the movie, be that to show how dangerous the Zombies are, or the Killing living Plant Monster, or Wolf Man, or what ever. Same for to show just how Deadly these Hammerpedes are and and the Goo should you get it onto you skin/in your face. Thus the Fifield and Milburn getting lost and acting how they was, was purely a plot device to provide them as canon fodder... Lets say they never got lost...... They read the map and got out back to the Ship... We would not have seen the Hammerpedes well maybe latter we may, but the emphasis then was on finding the Last Engineer. And we would not have seen Fifield get infected with the Goo, which means we would not have seen what happens when it comes into contact with a living organism. And also we would have had many crew members left alive as no Fifield to go Postal on them... Even if they got lost still but when they found the Hammerpedes they then ran away and managed to find there way back to the ship then... Again as above, but we would have seen what becomes of the Worms that got into the Goo... so again the whole reason they got lost, and then Milburn petted the unknown Alien Creature was purely for the plot of the movie.

Same thing can be said with Alien, call it real all you want.... Compared to some safety protcols you would assume some missions would have, or more common sense from the crew of Nostromo... And here are two possible outcomes well 3.... 1) They find a huge dead space jockey in his chair, see a hole in his chest leads to the floor and they then think... sod this let get out of here and they all leave and report that nothing to find apart from a Dead Alien being and they are just a haulage crew and no way was they hanging around... That be Alien over and a bland movie. 2) Kane is infected with a unknown Organism and Safety Protocols are in place that they cant risk bringing him back on ship and they leave him behind. 3) Or they have him locked up in a Quarantined area, secured (i.e like Cryo Pod) but then with this one yes the Face Huger could come off but then the crew could be cautious to think well Kane would be fine.... the would still Quarantine him in Cryo Sleep... But again the Chest Buster could then maybe get out of Cryo Sleep... My point being certain actions occurred in Alien to allow the plot of the movie to carry on, and Fifields and Milburns actions was likewise if not a bit more silly and odd.

Oh, yeah, I was "destroyed" by someone that made fun of a dead cancer patient's name all right. I wasn't attacking spelling. I was criticizing your inability to construct sentences while calling someone else's writing "retarded." I agree with BigDave's analysis. If this is your stand-point, the original Alien is "dumb" as well. A lot of the same stuff, human error and mysterious plot elements, is pretty integral to that movie. I'm glad they didn't go the Alien Vs. Predator, spoon feed the audience route with this movie.

Major Noob said it best. Maybe next time these "scientists" can debunk fairies, leprechauns, gnomes, and elves for their next nit picking project! Besides its You Tube everyones a know it all and self righteous so it isnt new. The most arrogant a**holes are on YT plain and simple rude d*ck-ish people.

God creates Ridley, Ridley creates Prometheus, scientists destroy Prometheus!, HICKS TO DESTROY scientists!!

There is such a thing as healthy criticism. The video is bad, but the question is what faults does the movie have. There are many, from purely subjective points of view, and more objective points.

Ok Haters, go to see Gravity if you want hard science fiction. You talk about *the time when space travel is a common thing* but you dont know, you dont know if the idea of ​​truckers in space is the most plausible, could also be droids or drones. Space travel is a difficult task, and for me the true hard science fiction movies show us the future based on the current technological advancement. However, when we turn away from these short-term visions of current technology inevitably begins to resemble magic. There is nothing so realistic in Alíen, the big difference is that the characters are better designed, besides the fact that do not act like idiots, but there is no type of scientific accuracy in Alien, thats just your interpretation. It reminds me of Giger fans who had the misconception that Ridley Scott and Giger have exactly the same creative vision. If you dont like the movie, just deal with it and move on, but if I were you, I would not expect a hard science fiction sequel, less when all this mythology is based on pseudoscientific speculations.

It's not all science, not even close to that. Read craig and DJ's posts! There is a "missing human dimension" in the movie. Three areas can neatly be discussed: 1) characters 2) plot 3) science

Which I covered when I say *the big difference Is that the characters are better designed, Besides the fact that not act like idiots* ...and yes, I read these two post. No offense to the authors, but there is nothing new that has not been discussed to death here: the plot, the holes, the characters, etc, etc, etc. It is better to deal with it, and if you want to be consistent with your disappointment: 1. The best would not pay for the movie ticket the next time. 2. The new writer is a noob, and Ridley Scott is a man of visual ideas, so go figure. 2. And not buy the blu ray too. xD

I want the criticism which is intelligent and accurate, and which is delivered in a friendly way and meant to be constructive. I do not want to abandon the film.

The words from Craig and DJ are not so new, Im only in accordance with the characters Review, but I will not start criticizing the lack of science in a movie about ancient astronauts, because it makes no sense. Also Prometheus is not a horror film, that said, I can guarantee you that with a better cut, better characters and better dialogues too, we would be seeing their complaints anyway. Fans like to complain about everything, like Lambert :p because the hard core people wanted a horror movie, and this has more proximity to the space opera genre. But I agree, its good to see intelligent criticism, provided they are not being dominated by hatred, of course. :p

The "Scientific" aspect of a film really doesn't appeal to me anyway. The ALIEN universe doesn't rely so much on science fact, it is more of a work of art, a nightmarish fantasy which reveals, in part, the amazing mind of H R Giger. As I've said MANY times before, the only problems I really have with the film, is the creature design. Carlos Nuante's design concepts were amazing and I'm really annoyed that they weren't used in the film! But lets face it, even with it's faults, it has some of the greatest scene's ever made in film history, the opening scene being a prime example! So, what it all comes down to, is, what is more important to you the viewer? A film which contains science fact, or a film that is made from the mind of a good artist? I do get frustrated with it at times because I feel that so many different people have put their two pence worth in, that it became a muddled mess. If you can take a step back and see the beauty in it though, and realise that the sequel may provide the answers to the mysteries that Prometheus posed, it will be a much more pleasant experience to sit and watch. NOVELIZATION NOW!

"Science fiction is largely based on writing rationally about alternative possible worlds or futures.[2] It is similar to, but differs from fantasy in that, within the context of the story, its imaginary elements are largely possible within scientifically established or scientifically postulated physical laws (though some elements in a story might still be pure imaginative speculation). The settings for science fiction are often contrary to consensus reality, but most science fiction relies on a considerable degree of suspension of disbelief, which is facilitated in the reader's mind by potential scientific explanations or solutions to various fictional elements. Science fiction elements include: A time setting in the future, in alternative timelines, or in a historical past that contradicts known facts of history or the archaeological record. A spatial setting or scenes in outer space (e.g. spaceflight), on other worlds, or on subterranean earth.[3] Characters that include aliens, mutants, androids, or humanoid robots and other types of characters arising from a future human evolution. Futuristic or plausible technology such as ray guns, teleportation machines, and humanoid computers.[4] Scientific principles that are new or that contradict accepted physical laws, for example time travel, wormholes, or faster-than-light travel or communication (known to be possible but not yet feasible). New and different political or social systems, e.g. dystopian, post-scarcity, or post-apocalyptic.[5] Paranormal abilities such as mind control, telepathy, telekinesis, and teleportation. Other universes or dimensions and travel between them...etc. " Interesting reading that from wiki. And the comments here it seems the lovers of prometheus seem to generally not need it to make scientific sense which is lucky as allot of it doesn't. The haters being the opposite in general. Yet the very definition leans towards it being plausible scientifically lol! Alien was pretty much close to being totally plausible in every aspect that is why it is so highly praised and wondered at. It is its plausibility that makes it so. Prometheus has so many unplausible parts its hard to see were one ends and another starts. This is why a year and a half on most people still do not rate it anywere near alien. Its not going to change with time lol! So yer scientific plausibility is part of the very definition of sci fi well at least the straight up good sci fi. Interesting I never realised so many dont need it!

Oh yeah I defo agree that Prometheus would never be considered anywhere near on par with ALIEN. And part of the problem with this film is that it is categorised as Sci Fi, when it should be categorised as fantasy. However, it all depends on your own individual taste and whether or not you want the film to be scientifically accurate or a peace of art. You can't always have the best of both worlds. For example; If I wanted to make a film about a team of space explorers, who come across a planet that could possibly sustain life, and, eventually that crew come across deadly alien creatures, I should be able to do that without knowing much about science, but I wouldn't pretend to be an expert in science because I am not. So I would leave the science aspect out of it and consentrate more on the "unknown" aspect. I think that is what happened with Prometheus. It was not made by scientists and I'm glad!

You would be shocked how far some people go for pets many people see them as equals is it lone that's the cat lover I think (he/ she might have something to say!). That parts about ripley showing what a hero she is - no one gets left! And yer u don't want the film to be too factual and sterile I kniw but its so easy just to enploy a few experts on a film to keep most of it in check!

@Sixxshot; It is possible for a person to love their pet as much, if not more than a person. Would you leave behind someone that you love?

The smart science fiction is always necessary, but I separated my love of hard science fiction of my love of space opera. There are many different genres like Steampunk, Cyberpunk, military, post-apocalyptic, dystopian, etc,and I can not judge them all with the same parameters. For Prometheus, my greatest dissatisfaction was with respect to most of the characters and excessive ambiguity (a sign of a lazy script) but I was not expecting a masterpiece of hard science fiction anyway.

Lol ur not getting it - ripley thinks of the cat as a person she loves it. That part was showing her compassion and strength. A trained biologist sticking his face into a 9ft space snake that clearly looks aggressive is plain bonkers. And alien got quiet goid reviews abd still has it was blade runner that got slated I thought. Abd yer shams I know that part too...

[quote]history repeats itself with people too accustomed to stupid movies that explain everything to you instead of bothering to make the audience think about what is not pointed out to them[/quote] Thats a lazy script, because the filmmakers do not care to investigate, much less to develop adult characters. If you think its smart to make a mess full of random ideas go to see Alex Jones or Giorgio Tsoukalos :p

Ding Ding! Seconds away, Round 2

When people agree to live in ignorance is like religion, is not very smart indeed. In my case, I only see different styles of science fiction, but that does not mean I see Prometheus as an intelligent masterpiece. It is a fantasy film, visually elegant and epic, but with bad characters and poor story.

@Shambs; I agree completely! I love it and hate it in equal measure. A great film that frustrates the shit out of me!!! ALIEN is just great! But it's not a competition. Let's face it, Prometheus could have been better, but could also have been worse!

How were the adult characters in Alien developed? Was saying "right" over and over again great character development? Oh Ripley was developed all right, but it was James Cameron who did it. But the first film purists will never admit that. I wouldn't have a problem with the nitpicking if it the hypocrisy wasn't so bald-faced. Don't worry though, the film has already been re-assessed as better than you think. The sales on blu-ray were ridiculously good. I see this nerd shit with almost every franchise. The good, new entries are initially hated and then eventually they are accepted as being good entries later on. Day of the Dead (1985) was initially tagged as piece of shit, and now it's a classic.

Yer even I wondered at one point if lindelof had taken the b movie horror dark comedy aspect but just plain messed it up. I guess if you do take it from a fatasy perspective and gloss over things it does work but in this case its a ridley scott sci fi for me it should be totally plausible scientifically characteristicly and any other ...ly and amazing / highest standards! And yes I do love prometheus's overall original idea I not a xeno fanboi I love the engineer path just hope the ship can be steadied in part 2!

I loved the right bit it was a joke least he was set up as an idiot from the start unlike most of the crew in promethues that seemed to go from nrmal to idiot second by second. Six we are a year n a half past the release I don't see any - wow yes it is a masterpiece! Unless maybe part 2 3 drags it up but even then...why would they sack the writer if its going so well lol!

Quote; "How were the adult characters in Alien developed? Was saying "right" over and over again great character development? Oh Ripley was developed all right, but it was James Cameron who did it." They were SPACE TRUCKERS not scientists, and it was only Brett who kept on saying "Right" all the time. That was just to show that he was a YES MAN who would do what he was told. Most truckers don't have very much to say anyway. Also, there wouldn't have been any development of Ripley if it wasn't for Ridley and Dan o Bannon. That's a FACT!

So it's okay for space truckers to be one dimensional, but scientists, who are infamous for being antisocial nerds, have to be mutli-faceted round characters with layers and layers even if they're b-characters like Milburne? Jeez, you guys are making this too easy for me. Fact, Shaw, David and even Charlie are more complex than any of the archetypal characters in Alien. Ummm, Dan O'Bannon's Ripley wasn't named Ripley and wasn't even female. I think you need to read up more on this film because you definitely have that part wrong. The idea behind Alien is it was a b-movie with a-movie production values. Prometheus is a way more ambitious movie. Even Ridley Scott admits this. He calls Alien a ghost house movie for crying out loud. People just need to stop with the revisionist history. If you like "scifi," you should be thanking this movie, because it would have continued on the path it was on as a videogame action franchise aimed at tweens. Prometheus made this franchise serious again and refocused it on science fiction.

Lol funny funny one day youll think back to this and be so red faced milburn was not one dimetional he plain just didn't make sense its like night and day...in alien he mau not have said much but it totally fitted made sense and was believable. If you don't believe us go chat to the 97 percent of people that loved it out there lol... Ps did u know the reason that scene git so messed up was taking out the milburn fifield getting stoned part and them thinking the suits were 'bullet proof' resulting in a muddled end result. Even with those two things it would still only be half plausible but they took them out :O wgen you start chopping stuff up like that its gonna get muddled!

I see that there is no way to have an intelligent, rational debate with some people without them resorting to childish insults. 97 percent of people loved ALIEN. That say's it all!

Milburne's character makes sense. He's just a huge nerd. Not much more else you need to know about him. Thus him getting caught up in observing the new species like it was a puppy. It was totally in character for him. And Phifield was already smoking pot. It's in the film. He's doing the mission for money and only cares about rocks, he says it himself! If you're ok with a fucking spaceship engineer who just says "right" and nothing else, I'm hard pressed to see why that's okay and this is wrong.

quote: "I see that there is no way to have an intelligent, rational debate with some people without them resorting to childish insults. 97 percent of people loved ALIEN. That say's it all!" I never insulted you. And the later part is not an argument. The audience liked Prometheus as well, it was one of the most successful R-rated movies in years and years.

Ok, while we are on the subject of facts and what people will realistically do in any given situation, here I go: Quote; "Milburne's character makes sense. He's just a huge nerd. Not much more else you need to know about him. Thus him getting caught up in observing the new species like it was a puppy. It was totally in character for him." He's an expert in creatures isn't he? So why doesn't he pick up on the hammerpedes aggressive body language? I would assume that he has come across snakes on planet Earth before. It took an aggressive stance and hissed. Also it was an alien creature, he had no idea of what it was really capable of. I'm no expert in the body language of creatures, but I'm pretty sure that if an alien snake took a stance like it did and hissed, I defo wouldn't have put my hand out to it! For an expert in creatures, it was a pretty stupid move!

Lol stop it my sides are hurting so a biologist who runs away from s dead slien body - the biggest biological find in history then wants to hug a 9ft long skinless cobra space snake and thinks its s puppy lol this is getting funnier if you see nothing wrong with that well lol....and it was tabacco in the film...puppy lololol...