Scientists destroy Prometheus!

Milburn is a huge Steve Irwin, with that fantasy of *I can set up a special connexion with wild animals and yet I can be safe*... but in no way is a real scientific, its just a hipster :p

Necronom4 Thanks for showing what you think. From your comments it seems that you classify sci fi and then fantasy and that to a certain extent alien and prometheus might be considered more fantasy than science fiction. Am I correct ? I also have to agree with you that I both love and hate prometheus at different ways - but ultimately I still love it . Its beautiful it has a sense of itself unlike any other movie I have ever seen. What however pisses me of is that if you look at the earlier drafts of alien you can see that the fossilised alien was earlier fossilised outside(and very old millons of years) the ship earlier lambert asked where the crew was when the ship was of human origins and that's where the term space jockey originated from and where lamberts question regarding the rest of the crew was - the eggs were supposed to be in a pyramid being experimented by us(or an unknown 3rd party - not very old ) and then they all moved that into the ship and mixed it together - and it worked but it was never supposed to make sense - because as you rightly said it was alien by nature and could therefore seen as "alien" and accepted as not making sense. In prometheus however the actions of the crew weren't alien as they come from our world and we know them. That is what pisses me of. The behaviour of the crew was inexplicable - but what do we know about scientists in 2089 ?? What would the level of education be in a time like that ?? Where would genetics be by then ?? What about archaeology?? What level of technology existed then ? I could ask the same question about alien. IMHO Science fiction is the fictional exploration of what science might look lile many years from now . Wormholes makes more sense than ftl travel. Einstein (I think) believed in curved space. Dunno... So in prometheus they throw a lot of things together (like in alien) and now it has to float. But they overdo it and really makes things conflicting - yiu can go so many directions as to why m and f got lost . In the jon spaihts draft they just forgot to take maps with them but in prometheus the maps are in the suits ....so what now ...this is plainly deliberate misleading and conflicting to create confusion. So initially when prometheus came out I thought the idea would be to later on add more scenes in a Re cut that would better explain the actions of the crew. Like for instance that perhaps there were a scene where that the relationship between the points on the pictograms were so exactly the same (to the millionth of a millimetre) that it had to be made by very well developed atand higly advanced)technology. Perhaps later we might find a scene where the. The relationship between the points are all the same because that's how they were 35000 years ago and the oldest pictogram were 35000 years meaning you had to have technology that could calculate what stasystem would have had that relationshop 35000 years ago . Perhaps that's the hodden message the engineers left. And then a scen where the computer scientists finally realize this because the star systems shift with time and nothing really fitted in the present. Does that malke sense ?? that's how they found the system after looking at it and culcuilating how it must loolk now. And voila ..... Then with telescopes 50-60 times more powerful then we have right now they would be able to calculate that there might be a planet who can sustaon life in that system . Plausible right ??? And then the scene where a dying weyland sees this and decides to go .... He has trillions dollars , what would it mean to him dead. And them scenes might later be added in a recut or hints to it and the film will start to make more sense and this could be applied to other parts of the people. So 2 recuts dowm the line people will still make their money and everyones happy !!!like they did with blade runner. This was my initial impression. It seems now however that's not the case ..... Or am I wrong ???? Goshdarnit.... That's ehy the like / not liking is starting to reach similar levels . Otherwise why did they malke prometheus the way they did ??? I though they were going to the "aliens" follow up and the when they released the recut prometheus version everone could fight about whether or not it was "canon" or not. You see the formula they could possibly be using here Then otherwise why fox did make prometheus like it is ?? I can't see the logic ........

Now Milburn being like Steve Irwin would make sense, IF he had a similar personality. Which he doesn't.

I said he was a nerd. He's detached and let his fanboy fascination over-ride logic. That's what is portrayed in the movie. It also wasn't completely obvious it was behaving like a snake or aggressively. Regardless, it's not out of character. The fact he was a biologist is not his character. You don't know what kind of biologist he was other than that he's pro-evolution. He could just be a academic who doesn't go out into the field. His personality was also already portrayed as being goofy and nerdy beforehand.

Bigdave said all of what I said all along anyway. Necronom 4 Alien rocks. But what the hell are they trying to achieve with prometheus in the long run ??

@Oduodu; Quote " From your comments it seems that you classify sci fi and then fantasy and that to a certain extent alien and prometheus might be considered more fantasy than science fiction. Am I correct ?" Sort of. It may appear that I contradict myself sometimes, but that's just confusion on my part. Sci Fi is obviously fantasy but sometimes those lines between fantasy and fact get blurred. That's where my love of ALIEN comes into play. It is both an artistic masterpiece and a believable, possible future for what the human race might come across one day. That's the best way I can describe it. Fantasy possibly merging with reality.

Perhaps a deleted scene where fifield and milburn got into a place where there were no radio reception due to the structure of the pyramid. And they just entered into that part of the pyramid just as the as janek radioed them to come back ?? With their suit maps not working perhaps due some kind of electromagnetic interference ..... I can dream can't I ????

A one year old kid would know not to mess with that thing! Its that kind of unrealistic! Oduodu : the good news is part 2 will help us find out :) well maybe :O !

I have defended prometheus to my best and have looked for the good in it. And there is a lot . It leaves me hungering for those answers. But if they aren't answered in p2 ten a recut would be the only logical conclusion ? Right ?(For making money??) If not then what the “»%&^£@ is the point of the movie ?? In what safe are keeping that recut ??? What's the combination ??? Is t electronic or oldstyle ?? Have people been arrested trying to steel it ? Perhaps someone has died ??? Has people been fired over recutting the movie at a very late stage and not agreeing with it ?? Necronom4 that's the spice of life. It makes me feel better because better I can let go now. An alien prequel was the movie I have been waiting for my entire life . I think its nice to thinks of movies as works of art and not just as logical entities. You have tought me something here !!!! Thanks !!! Great thread !!!

With the release of Transcendence we can have an idea of ​​the quality of the new story...April 18, 2014 :)

I did read about someone saying that they thought dysgenics was the reason : [url=http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysgenics]Your text to link here...[/url] :s but I really don't buy that theres no evidence that was there intention in the film.

Shambs I have been looking for a biography of jack paglen. I have been unable to find one .

Yes trancendance now that does look very interesting! Hes new thats why no bio

I do not know from what point of view, some of you are doing the behavior of Milburn review, you must not forget the mixture of feelings and sensations experienced by Milburn and Fifield. 1 - make the most important discovery in the history of mankind! 2 - Transit through totally unknown places in almost complete darkness. 3 - see and hear without notice, the holographic recording of beings That are run through the tunnel. 4 - find bodies of alien beings 5 - we must add the fact of wanting to leave the spot (and then, Milburn and Fifield Were experiencing a mix of emotions and feelings: such as fear, panic, rage, claustrophobia, loneliness and many others. Now , add to this the fact , getting locked in almost total darkness , in a place that gives them plenty of negative feelings , do not forget the despair that naturally arises in such moments , ( the needfor want to be or become the place that provides the security and peace ) (no doubt a geologist and biologist , were not prepared to assimilate this set of emotions , were not prepared to withstand the pressures exerted by these feelings ) . seen from this point of view (which is also the most natural experience for a human being " not ready " ) , I must say : The erratic behavior of Milburn ( when encountering the hammerpede ) was completely normal (of course this " I was stupid ," but in what can be called normal 'circumstances given ) . we have a lot of negative emotions mentioned above , we add to this a pinch of adrenaline and have a stupid behavior Milburn ! .

Who decided who to use for writing the script for p2 ? Ridley or fox or brandywine ??

Guys! Nó are simple viewers! These Cientistas! Damn! , Have become quite a discussion!

Pretty sure with all thoughs emotions u woukd just run the hell away from anything moving! Not sure who picked the writer...

@HICKS; Excellent rational (Is that right?) Yes, he is on a foreign planet and encountered all these amazing things that may have made him dizzy with wonder and released adrenalin. Maybe we could all look at it from that point of view and move on. I really don't want to rip Prometheus apart! As I've said, I love it, i just want the hate to dissipate!

Hicks nailed it. The only reason you think it's "stupid" is because you are looking at it in retrospect. Letting in Kane's son was dumb as hell, but the situation is what produced the human error of the spaceship captain making that call that was against the rules and proved to be an extremely stupid decision.

OMG!!! Have you actually seen ALIEN? It was ASH who let them in and we all know what his agenda was! Ripley was adamant that they were NOT to be let in. Watch it again for fucks sake!!!!

Kanes son ?! Do you mean letting in kane? That was ash anyway he was on corporate orders and if you remember Ripley said no - absolutely air tight plausibility.

Lol both of us writing in unison - and the same thing!

@ djamelameziane I'm pretty sure, that, if I, the person who lived this set of emotions would come out running anything that moves. but in the context of Milburn and Fifield, they had a job, and most importantly, they had a mission to fulfill!. If you have a Millionaire by contract, (not that I think I ran out of the first thing you see moving!) (I'm just stupid to 12:00 pm)

They gave up the mission in .0001 seconds when they saw the body! So it was done and dusted they just wanted to get out adrenalin makes you fight or flight run or fight not hug lol! Anyway never mind six will enjoy alien next time with it all making sense :p lol.

Okay, you're both acting like bitter fanboys now. I know what happened, JESUS CHRSIT, but it was Dallas that was begging to let him in and he was the captain! It was ultimately his fault, even if Ash intervened to move things along in that direction. And yes, Kane's son was already inside him, good grief. I'm sorry Necronom 4 the fact I pointed out you don't know much about Dan O'Bannon's relationship with the film must have gotten under your skin.

Except when it comes to rescuing a cat, then you will use similar rationalizations to defend it.

another interesting point (before criticizing destructively) is the fact that: Professional large hierarchy structure (within the crew made ​​for the Prometheus mission) was crap. But this corresponds to the fact that Peter Weyland had already, with their last months or years of life. THE fact that Holloway and Shaw appear before him, and offered him the idea of ​​finding the (fountain of youth or 'eternal life) shit is like saying: Come on! Now! (Take this!, This, and this one) "but let's go now! with such actions, it can not form a professional structure (solid), I mean for example: Professionals in: security physicians protocols Logistica quarantine etc. Weland not have much time and it's obvious that things were structured more or less as before mentioned. That may be because, not even many of the crew were known.

Cut down on every point and still fighting lol. I knew you would say the captain next - yes he was shit scared. Butt trying to open a door is nothing like putting your face in a 9ft snakes wttack zone lol. Ok well its clear your inability to understand alien matches your pronethean one its like trying to teach Christians the universe is 13.7 billion years old not 10000 it just aint gonna happen lol. And theres someone risking there life for a pet google it there\'s hundreds more : [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100073/Man-crawls-frozen-river-rescue-dog-Most-barking-pet-owner-Britain.html]Your text to link here...[/url] siiighhh... anyway lets lets some other people chat now eh! I just relised the captain was trying to run away from danger as well as trying to save kane makes sooo much more sense than Milburn its crazy.

So u would leave him outside? Lol and again an egg is not quiet as Scarry as a 9ft snake lol this is funny - yes it was dumb butvtheres like 3 -4 stupid mistake parts in alien theres like 100 in prometheus. Anyway like I said moving off topic and time to let others chat I think its all plain to see - nothing more to say... one day you'll realise :-)

Haha. Ok, I know that it was Dan o Bannon who originally conceived the story of StarBeast, later to become ALIEN, and that he enlisted the help of his friend Ron Shusset. Their original main character was Roby (a male) who later became Ripley (a female) but basically remained as the same character as Roby. Are you really so stupid to think that I don't know that Ripley was originally a man (Roby?) ALIEN has been my favourite film since I was a kid. I know ALOT about it. If you have any questions about ALIEN just ask me.

I'm amazed your inability to understand things (I have never said that the behavior of Milburn "Nó out crazy") (on the contrary, I agree with it!) and say Milburn behavior was completely erratic! (Or as you say "Milburn went crazy") Simply, I am explaining (Milburn why he went crazy!) And that's what you! not want to understand! You're like those guys who read for reading! and not quite understand nothing of what they are reading because your fucking arrogance and ignorance, not allowing them a greater understanding of things! No offense, but this is the outline of a debate!

And BTW, Dallas is bound to tell the crew inside to let them in, who would want to die out there on that godforsaken planetoid? Ultimately, it was ASH's choice to let them in. Like I said before, we all know what his agenda was.

Hicks! I wasn't talking to you! I didn't even have time to read your post! Crossed wires - sorry I was busy yer anyway time for bed im off :)

Is that what you do when you lose arguments, claim they were trolling? I was talking about Dallas making the decision to let in Kane and the face hugger, not himself. Stop trying to twist out of that. Ash didn't make the decision for Dallas, he just pressed a button for Christ's sake. It was the captain screaming for them to let in the guy with the space spider attached to his face. If you think Roby would have done everything the same, which includes James Cameron's character development (the majority of her development btw) you aren't being honest. Even the cat thing wouldn't have happened that was later extrapolated into her relationship with Newt. I'm not trying to dismiss O'Bannon's importance, but he isn't responsible for Ripley existing.

Who's lost the argument? Are you for real? ASH knew very well that while Dallas was off the ship, he wasn't incharge. That was in the film for crying out loud. Ripley say's it. ASH CHOSE to ignore Ripley's demands, because of his orders from the Company! LOL He wasn't taking orders from Dallas you muppet.

Anyway, I'm off to bed, I have work in the morning. You can argue with yourself if you want. I get the feeling that's what you do when there's no-one else to listen. NiTe :)

You are forgetting Much of the History of Alien ! Do not forget that Ash was included at the last moment in the mission I remember a conversation between Dallas and Ripley, Ripley asked Dallas about his science officer and former Dallas also asked about the reliability of Ash ( if this was reliable ) . Dallas responded by saying that the company took his last scientific officer and put in place to Ash, and on the subject of trust, Dallas Ripley replied " No I do not trust !" . Ash obeyed no one except the company ( Weyland Yutani ) through "mother" Master of the Nostromo computer. It is here the logic part , Weyland Yutani company ( knew that route , planets , moons etc, there was something , I think more than anything, I knew the route, (which could be the path or course of Prometheus ) in order , what I mean is that ash had their own priorities , ( granted by the company ) do not forget that by order of the company ( all other priorities are secondary or expendable ) " crew expendable " .

To Necromon: You're a goon. I know that was Ripley's argument. But it was still Dallas, the fucking captain, who wanted to bring his carcass on board. Ash said he was following orders, you tool. He just ignored Ripley's assumed authority because he was the company spy. Dallas fucked up, not Ash, the fucking cyborg spy with the hidden agenda. You can't twist out of that. You're full of it. Just trying to change the argument to make me look like I didn't know Ash was motivated by his own agenda, when the fucking point was that Dallas still wanted and brought Kane onboard in the regular parts of the ship! Anyways, you and the guy who types like a 13 year old texting her bffs can get a life. You're terrible at debating things. Good night, I hope you have one of Giger's nightmares where you're done over by one of his creations.

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