Why is the Deacon so small in form? Will Shaw and David deal with him before they leave?

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I always felt like the black goo was like the engineers version of nano bots (but Not Robots) in the way that it transforms what ever biological entity it comes in contact with into what the goo is programed to do which is in this case something that bleeds an emzyme that eats away at anything , biomechanical(thats where the nanos come in) very robust flesh and can mate with anything . As for the end goal , maybe some supreme life form thats so far from the xeno ?

First off, the deacon is actually huge when compaired to the usual chest burster, God knows what size it will grow to be. The fact that it looks different to the usual Alien, that is anybody's guess.

We know that Ridley didn't want to tread on old ground and that he wanted to stear away from the Giger Alien that we all know. So, is that what he is doing here? Does he want to show us the Alien but by using a different design, when infact his intention is to show us the Giger Alien and hope that we will see the similarities? OR, is this a completely different creature?

This is one of the things that really bugs me about Prometheus! 

For me, the deacon is a horribly upgraded alien design!

That's my only gripe with Prometheus, that the creature design is terrible!

In the Hammerpede, Milburn and Fifield scene, we see two hammerpedes, one of them approaches the two idiots and sh*t happens, however, we don't see where the other one goes and we can't assume that there are only two. There maybe other hammerpedes in there, under the black stuff, still going through change or they may have just slithered off somewhere else?  

When it grows up it is called an ultra morph ( I think ) that's from the spaihts script . Where an engineer got facehugged from a normal facehugger. I thinh the deacon might acty be bigger. In this script the facehugger is a weaponised version of the of an octopoid creature found inside caves that of the structure the engineers (or whoever engineered). The creature that came out of holloway after being facehugged by one of them had the same dolphin type head as the deacon. That's where the idea for it came from and moight suggest that it is the forerunner of the xeno. 

And as necronpm4 said 
The deacon is larger then 
The ultramorph/xeno
When fully grown.

Odu, i can now read your post's. YAY!

All of them ??

Ok thanks for sayin .

No, just the last two.

Well, it's a totally different lifecycle to begin with, and it's a baby still.

I always liked this guy's explanation of the difference between the Deacon and a regular chestburster: 

Prometheus Answers Stuff About Alien, Asserts There Is A 3rd Alien Race, Poses New Questions

SO... The creature that gave the "biomechanical and insect shape" to the virus to create the classic xeno design is... the Bird head creature of the ampule fresco !!!

Based on the minimal evidence given in Prometheus, it would appear, and this is just a personal obsrevation, that we are looking at one of two options. Either...1) The xenomorph form, as its known originated from the black goo bio-engineering process and developed into the form we see in the original franchise or 2) The black goo is simply a bio-engineered delivery system for xenomorph form, which, it would appear, was engineeredprior to the black goo.

I think its fairly clear, based on the ampule chamber fresco and the means by which Holloway and thusly Shaw are infected, that the purpose of the goo is to infecdt a host and use its genetic material to ultimately bring about the birth of a deacon; which would also mean that the goo is a weapon meant for dispersal in waterway..i.e...David's infection of Holloway through the ingestions of tainted fluids.

As for the worms to Hammerpedes scenario....perhaps its only meant to break down human DNA. Perhaps with other organisms it augments physiology with that of the bio-mechanoid life its meant to bring about.....

I don't think Shaw and David are going to take the deacon with them. If we follow the chrono order of the movie, the deacon is birthed after they leave the planet.

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So I thought why not get this in fast before too many posts get in here. This is all quoted from wikipedia and as you all know we can always believe everything we read on wikipedia.
So here it is and I think this is a bit of shocker....I really did not know this and I think it\'s a wonder find for all us really keen fans....Enjoy!

\"For its grown form, the \"Adult Trilobite\", Max found inspiration from an arthropod-like creature from Earth\'s Cambrian period, and the alien octopus in Jean Giraud\'s illustrations for the comic strip The Long Tomorrow. Further inspiration came after Max found a formaldehyde-preserved giant squid, an image which met with Scott\'s approval. The film\'s last-unveiled creature, the \"Deacon\", was named by Scott for its long, pointed head that he considered resembled a bishop’s mitre. Scanlan aimed to represent the creature\'s genetic lineage, beginning with Shaw and Holloway who produce the Trilobite which impregnates the Engineer, in its design. However, they focused on making the creature feminine, and said that \"it was born of a female before being born of a male.\" Messing drew inspiration for the Deacon\'s birth scene from the birth of foals, and created an iridescent appearance for its skin, based on the equine placenta.[141] The Deacon\'s protruding jaw was inspired by the goblin shark.[39].

So that\'s it the Deacon gets it\'s great form and characteristics from Dr. Shaw, Dr. Holloway, the squid or trilobite, the Engineer, and the very dark and mysterious black goooooooo. Also lets not forget that way back a long time ago Giger wanted a much bigger face hugger and wanted the face implantation scene to be much richer and fuller....this is it. Scott is paying back old debts it would seem and it\'s a real treasure to see this bit of mystery revealed. That\'s it, hope that can surfice and shed some more light on this great film.

Redant

Yes goblin shark not dolphin
That's in the spaihts draft. 
Sorry I said dolphin.

Dont forget we still don't even know if the goo is a weapon or not! As in if the very similar black goo is the same stuff at the begining of the film then it is a force for creation as well. Maybe from one angle its actually a gift of power. I look at the much like most powerful things for instance nuclear. Which can be a source of great good as well as destruction. But yes I know it much more complex possibly the goo is basically controlled by who ever is infected so as we saw the mentally trained engineer at the start managed to create life with it. But in the hands of stupid worms and humans our sub consciousness untrained minds create monsters. Even the engineers who got infected were not ready and created some monsters.

Anyway yes I know its just one angle and we don't have enough info...I just hope they clear things up by the end...

Well this is why the movie has a lot of ambiguity and depends how you look at the clues and if you use delted scenes and concepts not used or even ideas from drafts and other movies.

You see the Goo is based off Spaights Nano Bugs, only the plot device of Spaights bugs was more consistant and made sense, if we take into account that the goo is the same just replace tiny Bugs that break down a Host and store its DNA, to latter be passed on to which ever oganism these Bugs then come into contact with... if thats replacing the Bugs with some kind of Viral Mutagen then it all makes sense.

You see either way the contents of the Sacreficial Bowl breaks down its consumer and breaks its DNA down, that then reforms into a new substance that then passes on DNA traits of the orginal Organism that consumed the Sacreficial contents.

Thus we have Engineer DNA

I would assume if the worms came into contact with the broken down goo from the Engineer they would attain more Human Traits.

Thus in those Urns could be Re-Weaponized Xenos, and thus it stores Xeno DNA and this is passed onto the Worms, hense they have some Xeno Traits....   Now the other Fifield concepts was more Xeno-Esque but Ridley and Fox wanted to tone it down.

We see via Holloways infection that Shaw becomes pregnant with the Trillobite which basically was a evolution of the Face Huger, it was similar and had same purpose and that was to implant a Embryo into a Host and we would see a resulting Chest Buster.

Why did the Deacon look different.... simple the Trillobite is not 100% Xeno DNA, it is a Hybrid with Human DNA, you see this Goo mutates and evolves Organisms to take on Xeno Traits i.e Hybrids...  and a Embryo be that Human, Cow, Cat, Dog Fish etc etc all look very similar at the first stage... at this stage a Embryo is like a Blank Canvas that then takes on traits of its mother latter.

Thus as almost every animal on Earths Embryo 1st stage is the same, then there is less DNA to recode for the Goo, thus why the Trillobite was the one Organism that had the most Xeno DNA and Traits and was essencially a Face Huger.

Now this Trillobite Face Hugger was also Human Hybrid and thus the Chest Buster would have carried Human DNA as well as Xeno to its Host.

This is why the Deacon had a Placenta, this is why its teeth are made of similar Enamel look to Humans as opposed to the Xenos, this is why the Deacon has more Human Hands and not the fingers of a Xeno.

The Deacon is born from a Face Huger that is part Human/Xeno i would assume that a traditional Face Huger would produce a Deacon that has more Xeno traits including the fingers and teeth and i think the Mural shows us a Orginal Deacon and not the one at the end of the movie..

As for the size?

Well the Deacon is about 5 foot born, maybe intented to be bigger because well the Engineer is supposed to be 9ft and not 7.5ft...

Anyway as i have said, if my theory that the Deacon is part Human, then we can not assume it would go through stages like the Xeno and grow in size and shape like the Chest Buster, else we would see a 70ft+ Deacon Adult.

Thus it may grow at the rate of a Human but faster, or other mamal, which means it could grow 3-4X in height which would make for a 15ft to 20ft Adult... which would make more sense on screen than a Godzilla sized Xeno Deacon.

But will we ever see the Deacon again?

Anyway when i have time and if i can get used to the sites new lay out then i will make a topic regarding the Xeno Types i.e Deacon (Mural) Xeno and Shaws Deacon and differences....

But the main purpose will be about something else i have noticed, that could be the Missing Link... i will call this thread.... THE MISSING LINK (ENIGMA).... As there seems to be another organism that is in Prometheus (Murals) that is also in Star Beast (Murals).

@BigDave,

You never cease to amaze me BigDave...perfect anylisis and incredible detail. This is not perpective rather its real definition. Some how you knew all along what was in the black goo and how it had created the Deacon. I would have never thought nano machines/bugs. Thought it was just DNA. Cheers and thanks for the wonderful comment. I really have to get a read of the Spaights scrip. I have watched the movie maybe 30 times trying to figure out the real details in the plot and this is so much better.

BigDave, "You see the Goo is based off Spaights Nano Bugs, only the plot device of Spaights bugs was more consistant and made sense, if we take into account that the goo is the same just replace tiny Bugs that break down a Host and store its DNA, to latter be passed on to which ever oganism these Bugs then come into contact with... if thats replacing the Bugs with some kind of Viral Mutagen then it all makes sense."

As us usual you have great persepective on this, much appreciated.

@ djamelameziane

I'm thinking Genesis torpedo 

Well i made that from the clues as the movie was originally intended, looks like Fox tried to change some things be first deleting scenes and then recut the movie so some scenes are not in the orginal order... they also changed few things such as Originally as Holoway walks up to the Altar where you see the Green Orb.... there was in the trailers the Sacrificial Bowl the Engineer had taken at the start of the movie.

And if we take that the Goo does the same as the Scarabs from Spaights draft then we can see it makes sense... you see the Spaights draft the Bowl had tiny nana scarabs that ate the Engineer molecule by molecule, these scarabs then had inside them digested parts of the Engineer and they flew away into the wind....

Latter we then see that one of these Scarabs then bites a primitive primate and it injects the contents of its stomach which inc Engineer DNA into this Primate and this Primate they mutates and its this the script hints at that is why the Engineers share DNA with us, because the Engineers DNA was consumed and then passed onto a Primate that then became a Hybrid with Engineer DNA and that led to Mankind.

Later Fifield knocks over a Urn and tiny Scarabs escape and they bite him, only he does not evolve into something that looks like a Engineer, nope he changes into a Hybrid that has a lot of Xeno traits and indeed the concept used for Spaights draft work shows a more Xeno looking Fifield was intended.

Thus this must mean those scarabs inside the Urn must have got its cargo of Xeno DNA that it passed onto Fifield from those Scarabs that must have consumed a Xeno before being placed into the Urns.

Now if we take a look at the Mural, its shows a Xeno related Organism in a Cruciform pose, in Spaights draft it also had this but also the Sacrificial Engineer had taken the same pose right before his body was eaten away....

What does a Cruciform pose mean, we usually associate it with Jesus, but why the image of him on a Cross why not any other image... well because the Jesus on the Cross is there to represent his SACRIFICE to mankind so we can be forgiven for our sins....

So the Engineer in Spaights draft had taken the same Cruciform  pose as he was Sacrificed.

so why cant the Mural be the same thing? To show that a Xeno related Organism was Sacrificed at the Alter to produce the goo in the Urns?  If we consider that Originally there was the Sacrificial Bowl in front of the Mural on the Altar. Does it not make sense?

Also lets assume that the Sacrificial Engineer was stood inside a large bath or a VAT and when he consumed the Goo and he broke down then the resulting material was collected and put into a bottle instead...

Would latter pouring the contents of this bottle of collected broken down Engineer DNA etc via Sacrificial Scene not produce the same result if it was poured into the lake?

This to me makes much more sense, if they had left things as orginally and then not tried to release clues like Weyland Files that describe the Goo in ways that contridict what we see on screen, then maybe we would have had our Answer.

Hmm maybe not Genesis torpedo u mean like star trek? But I know what u mean...im thinking psychicly controlled life creation tool. Give it to a genius who knows how to use it and they can become the best of there dnas potential as in maybe a human could become like an engineer level of development. It mearley amplifies what you want it too or does what you want it too if you know how. So in this sense it could be that the engineer was upgrading us to our full potential and just got annoyed when we got in the way...

I think one thing that i saw here is the question of the goo being a weapon or not...I think that that the door swings both ways. Asin, the goo can be used in violent ways and for destruction, but it is also a tool of creation(creation through destruction sometimes, I suppose)

And the size of the Deacon can't be too big! I agree that it will porbably grow to be anywhere from 15-20 ft. tall

I would say it has a lot to do with what the "Alien" really is. The Alien seems designed to be a parasite and then die off. Its interesting through the alien series that there seems to be a "normal" form. However, they evolve as was said and take traits from previous hosts. In every movie where we see them evolve we see how they become such a danger that they are killed off in extreme ways. This might be coincidence or it might not. Regardless, when a new alien threat has come, it has come from an "original" form. 

The image by the urns shows an "alien" like image, in which the details seem to be in constant fluctuation. It is possible that this is an early form or stage of alien before reaching the "original" form we are used to. It does bring up the question then of "how" it got its original form. Is it really through human hosts?

It could be that the decon we see, actually has minimum relevance and is just there to show "how" the alien might have come to existance. Though, there seems to be some evidence through that image previously talked about, about the decon like form, that it was in someway already in existance. The way Ripley shows the decon in the end seems to be no accident or coincidence, or even just something to relate this to the alien series, but probably to show a break apart from the original engineer plan.

Well from what i can make out i would say that the Deacon on the Mural is what a Face Huger produces from a Engineer, we dont see much detail as far as seeing its hands etc but i would assume it would have hands similar to the Xeno.

The black goo thats used as a weapon imo can either be destructive or creative. To me the Deacon even as a baby was big enough to face a human adversary. However, this creature will get even bigger and nastier than the previous xenos even though they are at the top right now of the alien xeno heirarchy line. To me the first biomech xenos are more of a real strong tough creature thats both living and slightly cybernetic but its a borg-like fashion but with better fusion of both. To be honest I dont like that the Engineers are being crticized because of a height difference. They cannot and are not biomechs they are fully living humanoid beings that are mostly male and maybe some females left behind or enslaved by the Y chromosome (possibly). Its their technology that is biomech NOT their bodies. @craigamore I agree maybe the goo reacts better with the organisms its intended to mutate.