Prometheus Sequel expectations and main plot points!

Not got long so couldn't get through all that Sry. But yes most important is it all makes sense and it's totally alien shit that blows the mind you only need to see what have discovered to realise how crazy universe is. We need to know things like how far they have traveled - in our galaxy or further? I'm thinking the more alien-y means we are going to see the God like being I'm hoping locked in a battle with the elders maybe a war that has been going on for thousands of years maybe there down to the last few of them and one genius type leader and David and Shaw can top the balance of the war!

And please only one or two idiots this time please...we need good characters!

maybe there home planet isn't a planet at all it's a gateway to millions of other places through a central black hole caged inside a giant structure. Want to see some crazy technology maybe that they are using against the God like being that doesn't need to be explained but just looks cool and gives a feeling of mind blowing power and intelligence.

Yer so the more info the better and make it make sense! :s

Also think maybe due to the being of prometheus that maybe they can not create life from elements etc. This is why they need to sacrifice one of them to seed new life? This maybe to final way point for the trilogy : who or what made the first life form? I'm guessing none of them know :) ...

Ah yes and I'm thinking/hoping 1 third is about the rescue mission from yutani that obviously is all about money n power and no rescue. And 2 thirds home planet...with maybe a little glimpse of the bigger picture of our universe our even other ones...

Coincidentally, I wrote a full article on my blog about 5 elements to be expected in Prometheus 2.

If only I had seen your post before... There are many plot points mentioned by you worth exploring further in this sequel. All your questions merit consideration because the mysteries surrounding many things in the first movie are fascinating.

The thing is - I don't think they should spell everything out didatically. It'd empty the first movie out, in a way. One can only hope the writers will shed some lights on those enigmas, but not in a really dumbed-down way, all the while trivialising the unknowable aspects of an ancient race of aliens.

Regarding this question: Are there more Urns elsewhere in that Temple or are some of the Urns not opened and still contain the Black Goo?

There might not be more urns in that particular temple explored by the characters, but one must remember there are many other temples on LV-223. You can see them in certain shots of the film, especially when the Prometheus is landing. Is it reasonable to assume all of them have a similarly sealed temple with urns? I think so...

If we look at the rumours now etc, this could point to the movie going closer to a Alien movie than steer away and into a Engineers Culture one, maybe the idea of the Engineers was going to be deep and its a very hard plot to do justice and one that gave me nightmares when i was trying to flash out ideas for Paradise in a draft i was working on but abandoned and mainly because the whole Engineer story could be too complex... maybe simplfying it could be the answer Fox want and also to please those who was expected a more direct connection and explanation to Alien.

Here is a little diagram of Alien to Prometheus...

Alien Xenos <-- Alien <-- Prometheus --> Paradise --> Engineers.

It seemed that any sequel would be going this route --> futher from Alien and to the connection these Engineers have with creation and maybe how they are tied to our interpretations of Gods etc, you know the clues Holloway and Shaw found and what they had hopped to find when they got to LV 223, and to then go get there Answers.

Prometheus touched up on this subject slightly, but vaguely, it also touched up on and showed us clues to the Xeno but again even more vaguely.  Seems the change of plan from Spaights draft was to distance itself more with the Xeno and its creations and connection with the Engineers to go down the route of the Engineers and Weyland and David than being more Xeno related.

Now seems maybe Paradise that looked like it could be distancing it self from the Xeno/Alien connection and thus how much Xeno changes was made to Spaights to Lindeloffs we could seen a futher dilution in Paradise.

Now it looks like the movie could instead now be going closer to Alien and fill in the gaps from Prometheus to Alien in the diagram above as opposed to going the Engineer route.

I think we would see our Engineers again but now they may be portrayed now to be more focused on creating a whole manner of nasty Aliens, fingers crossed this is shown on LV 233 and the different temples as oppossed to Paradise.  The only Alien  encounter i would want to see there are Humanoid Engineers and Elders and the only Alien element of Paradise could be after Shaw gets some Answers the Engineers have either a Agenda for her or a liking to her but discust at how we created Androids and then David decides to unleash hell and Xeno-Esque mayhem on them.

But not untill after we are shown a bit of Engineer History and Culture and what makes them tick and their whole purpose for creating life and visting them while they Evolve and Teach them.

I do worry the Engineers would only be a part of this movie and we would indeed spend more time on seeing LV 223 and more Xeno DNA creatures like we saw in Spaights draft which was more Xeno and less Engineers.....

@Cremildo

Yeah the purpose of this post was i listed as many potential plot devices that could be explored and a lot are going to give us a Alien-y movie as far as Xeno DNA. I separated them up because i did not want us to connect the Urns, Hammerpedes and Deacon as simply under the Goo.

Each now has its own path of possibilities.

The reason for the list is so we can discus and put in order of what points we think would need to be covered more, for example we could see Prometheus the Xeno links was put on back burner and the movie had more going towards infection outbreak of the Goo and how these Engineers created a Weapon they ultimately lost control off.  The movie had a larger % connected to Engineers but that was reduced when it hit the screen as a lot that showed us more info about the Engineers was cut.

As far as the Temples go, yes as i made in one of them points that the movie could explore them if indeed those are other Temples, if so then have they the same purpose?

Do they contain  the same Urns, or is it simply a different kind of DNA within those Urns in other Temples.

Spaights draft had many different varieties of Xeno Organism in his draft all within one complex, the idea being these Engineers had Engineered 8 different kinds of Xeno.

Lindelof tonned down that to give us the Urns that contained substance that can produce different kinds of Organisms that have Xeno traits depending on how they are infected with the Urns and what Organism is infected.

 But maybe now they can go and do a similar thing to Spaights draft and that each temple contains a substance in the Urns that affects the DNA or infected Organisms differently.

What i do hope is that we are given at least a hour however to seeing the Engineers History and Culture and Reasons for creating and maybe destruction.

And i dont want to see more than a hour given to anything Alien-y be that Xeno or even what other Organisms get created by the Urns or indeed how the Hammerpede and Deacon evolve.

If they are planning to make 2 more movies and the total 5 hours of screen time then i think yes this movie could give us more Alien-y answers so fan boys get them and leave a Part 3 to explore the Engineers.

But i think the idea originally was the other way around.

My ideas with Paradise only had the last part of the movie actually be based on LV 223, most of it was Engineer based, and setting up what happens to Weyland company.  Part 3 was then on LV 223, and seeing the Engineers wiped out then Shaw and David arrive at LV 223 to destroy that place aswell.... only at the end Shaw does not know about LV 426.

I have a feeling Scott and his writers will dwelve into the mysteries of the Engineers. People were baffled by many things in Prometheus - I don't think the studio will take the chance of making yet another movie with more questions than answers.

Therefore, I think we'll see something you mentioned in your post above, which is this: we could see Prometheus the Xeno links was put on back burner and the movie had more going towards infection outbreak of the Goo and how these Engineers created a Weapon they ultimately lost control off.

However, it has been leaked that the film will be "more Alien-y". Does that mean it will focus more on the xenos or does it mean simply that the film will be more suspenseful and less grandiose/epic? We dunno.

Dear Lord, you really put a lot of effort in your initial post. I'll have to check back later to read everything with more calm and then rank the plot points that (IMO) are most crucial in the sequel.

No we don't need everything just something!

I was thinking they could patch allot of problems up having a few flash backs to part 1 due to the God like being mind controlling the scientists and that was why so much stupidity existed. It was all the being controlling them so that only Shaw and David would come to free the being in part 2 as it is trapped by the elders on their home planet. Yer I know a long shot :D but not totally...

I think Fox may have taken on board what the public made of Prometheus, and some critics was about how confusing some elements of the movie was, this was in part due to Lindelof but also a lot had to do with how the movie was butchered in the cutting room.

So maybe Fox will want a story that will give us some Mystery etc and Ambiguity but will run more smoother and be a little more straight forwards in how the movie is driven. This would make it so less people would be confused and be able to follow whats going on.  The abiguity will be with odd clues like the Mural was, and Frescos they was Ambigious without being confusing etc.

Other main critic of the movie would be many expected the movie to link more to Alien, and some who loved Alien a lot may had been expecting more Answers, some may had wanted the Space Jockey Story but the main problem was those none die hard Alien fans..... you see for them they may have some idea the movie is supposed to link to Alien but when they see Prometheus they would see near enough no clues to how this is so.  They may not have known or cared much in Alien about who Weyland Corp and Yutani was.

They would remember the movie only as that movie where they find that ship that had those Eggs on, that well had a thing that got on one of the crews face and planted a Alien that burst out of his stomach that then went around killing everyone... then one of them survived and in Aliens she went back to the same planet as some company had built a Colony on the planet where these Eggs was...

For people who only saw Alien and Aliens as above, well they would make little or no connection with Prometheus to Alien at all.

So again i think Fox will make the next movie a bit more of a link as far as more Xeno looking so that some connection to fans and even general public can be spotted.

Not that this could be a problem not at all, i would however like to explore the Engineers more and have them adn there culture and maybe even flash backs to them comming back to Earth after the Sacrificial Scene, i would have loved to find out if these guys had a War or Rebelion between themselves or the Elders etc.

But as Spaights drafts Xeno related parts got tonned down, i now fear the planned Paradise Engineer ones will be tonned down. 

Maybe not... maybe by Alien-y they mean we would see more explanation of the Xeno, like in Prometheus had we seen the Frescos more clearer, and the Mural if maybe David made a comment on it to give us a clue more and if we saw Fifield mutate into something like the concept work.  We would have seen more Alien-y links.

Maybe part more Alien-y could be how the movie genre will be, Alien was a Sci Fi Horror, Aliens was a Sci Fi Action... Prometheus was trying to be too clever and attempted a Sci Fi Mystery etc.

Maybe they mean they would like to recapture some of the tense Horror feelings of the Original Movie?

I'd like a two hours and a half movie explaining points 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19. I don't want an alien movie, I want more enginers and their culture, their planet, I'd like to watch Shaw and David getting there, why the engineers created us, why they decided to destroy us.

But that's just my desire. What I don't know is if Ridley Scott is planning to make a trilogy, if so he'll have more room to connect all dots properly.

@something real maybe a long shot like any guess at the moment but not as odd as you might think. Because Ridley has said there will be a God like being 'that's also nasty one' already. And when you add this to all the other facts like why have the engineers not visited earth or lv 426 in 2 thousand odd years it kind of points to their empire being destroyed our almost totally destroyed. And what could do this? A God like being that's not nice :) . The crew also did not make any sense at times in part one so this could be a way out for that :p ...

It's also my belief that the black goo it's highly likely to have come from this God like being and that possibly the engineers thought it was the creator of the universe but were mistaken. And maybe it followed them back to their home planet after they got it from the being. I got the clues for this from Ridley also saying there well be multiple levels or layers to life out there the engineers created us something created them and maybe on and on through many levels. The alien products we have seen so far could be the beings DNA without any of the intelligence the original being which looks similar but is vastly more intelligent :D ...

@Erimriv

I think that was the original idea, i had a feeling they used the Goo --> Deacon simply as a plot device to show us a connection to the Xeno/Engineers. And that they would be concentrating on going to Paradise so Shaw and can get her Answers well thats what she wants but what she finds could be something not like she hoped for.

But alas a movie bassed on just Shaw and David going to the Engineer Planet and then if we see Engineers how many are there? How many people would be cast to play them.

Its for that reason i think they would also have alternative plots as another aspect would be what becomes of Weyland Company with its CEO dead and who we have to assume is next in line (Vickers) also dead, we know Yutani are a rival company and at some point a merger happened.

We also know that LV 223 is still there and that maybe the company would pick up Shaws SOS, especially if they send out a mission to go and discover what became of Prometheus and its crew. These elements allow for them to cast more people.

This is what i felt they would do, and what the draft i was working on was doing and that is to have two plots going on, well three.  And we will cut back and forth between thenm but in my idea i had them not be on LV 223, not untill the End of the movie when we see a Mission finally set down on LV 223 like when Prometheus landed and then we see the Cargo Bay Door open and some of the crew venture off, and this is where that movie ends and a 3rd part takes over, that would be based on LV 223 and that will then give us our answers to the Xeno.

But we cant be sure now if they will try and fit everything into ONE Movie, and maybe they would now also concentrate just as much on LV 223 and the Xeno/Alien-y things as it makes more sense to have more cast being used there as opposed to they too end up on Paradise.

@djamelameziane

This is the beauty of the plot when they made these Engineers our creators in some way.

It opens a whole world of possibilities, so many but also opens up lose ends as why they never came to see us again, or if they wanted us wiped out why they never checked back with the LV 223 outpost to find out the outcome of the mission... so many many lose ends, that would be hard to cover. Well that could have so many different reasons why.

Yes one logical one could be there is little left of the Engineers Homeworld, maybe they was at War with themselves?  Maybe our Engineers was at War and rebelled against the other faction or there creators on Paradise.  There is so many outcomes, but there must be at very least some Engineers or Elders left.  It would be a darn shame that they are all gone and we are left with there creator being a very Alien-y Lifeform i felt the Engineers and Elders was a very very interesting idea.

Another answer could be.... do the Elders/Engineers even know we was created are they completely in the dark about what happened on Earth and is it that a faction decided to create us without the concent of the Elders on Paradise.  This would imply that there Civilization  is in tact, which then leads to how do they then accept Shaw and David and surely would they then be intriged to come and vistit us? so why have we not seen them in any of the movies especially by Alien R!

Or even if they was upset at how we was created without there concent would they then want to wipe us out? Which brings us back to the same point how come Humans are well and alive by Alien R and no reference to Engineers etc?

Its these two scenereos that kept me from finishing my Draft as well i could not figure which way to go....

Only unless maybe a combination of the two had occured in which we was created without the Homeworlds knowledge and the Homeworld had been attacked by the faction that created us, this Homeworld was then near destroyed by the Engineers.. This is what i then decided upon but then trying to evolve that was very hard as even it had so many potential ways to be told.

LOL and there is the hard task of telling the tale, thus the movie would have been far easier to tell if these Space Jockeys was just a Alien Race out there in the Galaxy who never created Mankind at all, like the Predators was in Predator movies... (not AVP ones where they then tried to have them as our creators) you see by going that same route with the Space Jockey, makes for a interesting plot but one thats a NIGHTMARE  to tell and get Spot on...

Continued...

I do think that the connection to Ancient Cultures where Shaw and Holloway found their clues can indeed play a part, every culture and religon could have a vague reference of itself as the TRUTH to what went down and connection with the Engineers.

We see also the order of creation as a important factor, and rebelion... lets look at Mankind we create David in our image so that he can then perform tasks that Humans no longer have to do.  We get a creation that is faster, stronger and more inteligent than ourselves.  However as Weyland says, while David will never die of natural causes (as long as he is maintained).  He will never have a Soul, he can never procreate...... but i guess could Manufacture more of his kind.

Mankind has created a superior being to themselves, the only way David is not is that he does not have the Emotions and Freewill of a Human, that was the idea, but the Company had built a artificial Emotion Engine into his Processor Brain, and we see that while not Human, David can have some degree of Emotion.

We also see sentiments of rejection from David, a dislike for Humans and Ultimately he is gaining independence and freewill.  Given time we can expect these Androids to see no point to Mankind and Rebel and we could see a I-Robot/Terminator situation.

These last step of the order of Creation is not the first, you see these Engineers created us, like we created David.  Maybe for the same purposes?  But we are not as superior  as our Creators, not like David is superior  to his creators.. However maybe David has something in comon with he Engineers that is a area that makes us superior and that could be Emotionally how different we are and that we can PROCREATE.   Maybe this made us a threat as from Many thousands we could grow to Billions and Billions.

I thus likewise feel that we showed some kind of Rebelion, maybe more than once, and thats why the Many Cultures and Religons have many shared tales of Mankind being wiped out but to spare just a few or few hundred to start again.  This is maybe the reason for the Outbreak 2000 years ago, that these Engineers had simply had enough and that now they wish to not save any of us but replace us with something else they have grown to worship as a alternative creation, or a potential one.

But again is this the start of these creation/rebelion feud....?

Maybe not, maybe the Engineers are themselves created by some other being again for the same reason that Mankind created Androids, for the same reason the Engineers created Humans...

Ulitmately the Engineers had rebelled against their creators, and maybe they stole the Secret of Creation from there creators, and maybe there creators created something to use against these Engineers but this was turned against them, and the Engineers then tried to re-engineer this weapon intended to be used upon them...

Then ultimately when these Engineers having used a Weapon against there creators, once they then realised there creations was not worship them, then then chose to use a Modified version of this Weapon upon Mankind.

This brings me to David..... i think he as the bottom run of this ladder of creation/creators may now indeed wish to use this Weapon against us, so that the Androids can rule supreme.... Maybe Davids comments Big Things have Small Beginings fits with this.

David is said by Ridley that he is bringing Hell with him, and maybe he will first use the Cargo on the Juggernaught on who ever or what ever they find on Paradise and when you think of the idea in all above it makes sense....

You see because if who ever is on Paradise knows what these Urns contain surely they would not be silly enough to allow the ship to land on there homeworld.

Anyway thats just a idea and potential that i would like us to see, and it is the basis for the idea of what Draft i was working on for the movie.

I want to pick up points 16 & 17. I think there are not lot of options what could have happened to the rest of the engineers. As I watched the film I also asked myself what could have happened and especially: why did no one (of the other engineers) came there for rescue? What would we do if there's an accident anywhere? And what could be possible reasons fot this? The Prometheus' crew seemed to be the first "visitors" after 2000 years. naturally there has to be a reason and I have two explanations:

First, the engineers where annihilated - maybe by some of their own creations or an equivalent accident as on LV-223. Of course this would lead us to ruins and a few survivors.

Second, Janek was wrong and LV-223 was not a military base but something like a hideout of outlaws or even "terrorist-like" engineers ( Please don't forget: they were going to whipe us out :D ). 

Nevertheless there were these holographic recording and the last engineer went into hypersleep, so we can suppose he was waiting for rescue. But as far as both cases are possible. If there were no more engineers no one would come for help and if there was a war between the engineers we can suggest that one faction won and the bases simply were forgotten.

So, what do you think? Or do you see even more reasons?

there are very important points to explore.




it is important to know that any valuable information that was collected in the ship during the mission  was probably automatically sent back to the nearest weyland terraformed planet base . Therefore they  might want the mission failure to be kept secret ...


the "stupid" characters , fifield and milburn ,  were obviousely precisely selected for the mission because  they could be more easily manipulated or exposed to the dangerous elements of lv-223 in the same "crew  expandable" fashion as in the nostromo a couple years later...


Shaw might want to wait before deciding if she wants to go to another planet,
after gathering every detailed video or text information from David's database she might get angry  against the company ...

i think it would be great to see the next prometheus story from the weyland company's point of view . and the human bishop character? is he important ?