Guy Pearce Wants To Be In 'Prometheus 2'

Hell Yeah. I can go with that. Nice point Cremildo.

Hell Yeah. I can go with that. Nice point Cremildo.

I can picture that. They obviously couldnt bring him back as another character in make-up it would be a dead giveaway. Flashbacks of his youth and why he decided to become the big technology corporation called strictly WEYLAND.

There is something bugging me...

According to the same news that "leaked" the release date for Prom 2, a new screenwriter was brought on board to revise the first draft written by Jack Paglen. This was in March. If Weyland were in the screenplay, and assuming the script is final, don't you think Guy Pearce would've been contacted by the studio or by Ridley already, so that he could clear some space in his schedule?

CREMILDO - That is exceptionally fascinating news! Of course, I understand your concerns about Pearce's schedule. However, perhaps there are actions taking place behind the scenes that we can't readily see. Perhaps (though, this it extremely unlikely), the sequences featuring Pearce's character have already been filmed. :)

Rrright!?

"the Company first discovers the signal from LV 426... something like 20 years before Prometheus goes to LV 223."

I've heard this before in discussions, but which movie is it from?

As much as I like this actor and the short movie he did as Peter Weyland you know what no more!

It is time to move the story forward with fresh new actors and actresses!

I am sick and tired of flashbacks, remakes, reboots and all this worthless garbage!

What would you rather see? Guy Pearce in some cheap set with some stupid boring dialog or would you rather they invent the real story and show these enigneers doing something worth while. Also, remember this would invole Fasbender as David and Rapace as Dr. Shaw in something original.

We have seen quite enough past stuff that has ruined this franchise or strayed away form the core. It is time to move the story forward with solid action, greate performances, and enough well thought out special effects to make the engineers home world workable into the Prometheus plot line.

I am sick and tired of flashbacks, remakes, reboots and all this worthless garbage!

In what way does a flashback equate to remakes, reboots or garbage? It's like comparing an apple to some kind of gas: one thing has absolutely nothing to do with the other.

And having one or two flashbacks in a two-hour film is hardly incompatible with moving the story forward. I mean, look at The Godfather Part II. Nobody has suggested Prometheus 2 should be a prequel to the first.

I had mentioned flashbacks in the first post about Guy Pierce's possible return. It would be the flashbacks of David. Some of these dreams might include Peter telling David he will never be a real being. This might motivate David to become deviant and in the end do the impossible, "become a real boy."

P.S. Ponokoy never tried to turn one of his friends into a xenomorph or get his head ripped off by a Space Jockey.

P.S.S. The nose grows for a reason. (A very insidious reason).

Flash Backs would work yes.....

But maybe i could throw this out there.............

What if David 8 has a Mental Disorder.... yep glitch with his programing, there are many David 8s but Weyland took this particular one on the mission with him and maybe this David 8 in Prometheus had a connection with Weyland and was Weylands Personel David 8 model, hense why Weyland refered to him as the Son he never had.

Now what if David 8 had a Glitch and so he would have like dreams well vissions of Weyland talking to him and interacting with him, maybe the connection between David and Weyland and how often David would have tapped into Weylands dreams to speak to him (remember there was a scripted scene on a boat where David talked to a young Weyland that was never shot).  Maybe we could see some flash backs but also a Weyland talking to David in his head and maybe this could lead to some problems with David and help to create a unique psyche for David.

so just as some people can have Mental Health issues where they see and interact and talk to and even obey a person that is not even real or there, what if Davids Programing suffers some kind of glitch that allows Weyland to be that Person in Davids Mind?

Just a example to allow Weyland and a younger version back into some scenes and also develop Davids emotions well help to allow them to not work as a Android is programed to do.

@The First Child

i did not read your reply before i posted mine, but yes indeed we are thinking of the same kind of thing...

I agree with other posters that doing Flash Backs would only best to allow for small cameos, we dont want to fill Part 2 with too many scenes of Weyland as he was younger, we know what young Weyland looked like from Ted Talk, we know he built Weyland Company from Scratch especially if you read the Viral Campaigns..

The common viewer would not however.....

So maybe a Flash Back showing the unvieling of the David 8 model, well actually a older model when Weyland was young this model would be simplistic but could be shown that Weyland is proud to unviel the first advanced Android of Weyland Industries... this flash back can then cut to modern day Weyland head quaters on Mars where we see a number of David 8s.... 

This would show viewers who never saw the TED talk etc what a younger Weyland was like and would be a start point to show his dream and ambition to create artificial lifeforms and the Evolution from the Early models, to the latter now near Human Model David 8.

Then the rest of any scenes of Weyland has to be via Davids dreams. 

I dont want any other David 8s to have these, just the one from Prometheus this would make him unqiue compared to the many other David 8s.

Yes David might bring him back with engineer tech. That might of not been weyland but a clone or even might see an Android based on weyland so many ways he could come back into it. I've always thought there will be flashbacks of one sort or another to reveal new information and save part 1 ;). I don't know I still feel weyland won't be back for more than a shot if anything but you never know. Get the feeling people are reading into to it a bit to far again...

Not so sure about David needing to use Engineer Tech to bring Weyland back, i would actually think David would be free now Weyland is gone but maybe he has dreams of Weyland that Haunt him.

Anyway what i mean by above is i would think that at the time of Prometheus with how far Mankind had come, i would recon that the ability to clone a Human would be peice of cake. so he would not need Engineer Tech...

Saying that if that was the case why would Weyland want to be made younger and imortal, i guess that while Mankind could clone a Human we can not transfer our Soul.

I would like to see a flashback of Peter Weyland introducing Lawrence of Arabia to David. David says it’s a favourite movie, but was that decided for him. Lawrence of Arabia is about an individual who is different and stirs a bees nest of revolution. I think somelike this would add to the overall plot and maybe show that Peter Weyland had an agenda for David.

Thats a good idea however it would require Weyland in Old Man Make Up as Peter would have been 83 when David 8 models was released.

However the David 1 model came out in 2025 when Weyland was 35 and 2 years after his TED Talk.

@Cremildo and others!

Flash backs is perhaps not the right word. If kept to an absolute minimum it may enhance the story if done objectively.

The scene with Weyland as they are approaching LV223 is interesting.

Aliens vs. Predator Requiem was a terrible reboot of the franchise. Please do not start a second argument about whether AVPR is cannon or not. I do not care either way. I am interested in the story line of Ripley, and now what is happening with the characters with Prometheus.

Alien Resurrection is so terrible in almost every respect it is hard to imagine that it ever got made. Let us all consider for a second that the real premise of Resurrection is an entire “flashback”. Personally I like the idea of Resurrection but they did not have the budget to do the special effects correctly and the rest of the movie is a horrible mess.

Think about that a little more. Resurrection was supposed to interest all enough in a cheaply made Alien film where Ripley is made from DNA and Alien DNA and has a lot of memories of Ripley and Alien capabilities. We were supposed to be interested in it enough when she makes it to earth to do what?

The entire premise of the film is similar to a flash back. I do not want any more bad Resurrection type movies being made that star Guy Pierce and tell the story of Peter Weyland. Once again it would seem that IQ’s have dropped sharply and members of the community will say sure I would enjoy any movie getting made as long as it is an “Alien” film. NO NO NO we would not like that at all.

When AVP was made we do get a lot back story on Weyland and you know what the movie sux….most of it. It is not as bad Resurrection and nowhere near as good as AVPR, even though AVPR is a bad movie for different reasons.

So yes there have attempts with “huge flashbacks” and reboots so you cannot objectively say I do not know what I am talking about. You do not know what you are all talking about.

Ok this is harsh but it is true. I am not disagreeing that if done right a movie with Guy Peirce could be great at going back and creating back story for that character. Maybe flash back is not the right word.
These types of movies are separate while still being in the Alien universe. I know there is a strong following for the Peter Weyland character in this community; however, it should not get in the way of what might be best for the franchise.

Do not just tell me that I do not know what I am talking about. If you do not like what they are doing with this entire franchise then by all means everyone here should put up the money and see if they can make a film that has this actor in it and see what people think of it. Do not just tell me I do not know what I like or what I have seen actually do something real. I am arguing my wishes to see another PROMETHEUS film...if there is some stupid back story or flashbacks that are not too long that make that possible then by all means lets have Guy Pierce in it. But don’t tell me I don’t know what has been going on in this franchise. You don’t know a thing obviously. There have been major reboots to the Alien universe and they keep eroding the entire original movie.

I want to see the next instalment of Prometheus. I do not care if everyone here thinks it would be better to have a Peter Weyland movie with Guy Pierce in it. If it were a good enough film I would go see it too.

Hey this is a “Prometheus” blog not a “Peter Weyland” blog. It sounds stupid enough when you argue about a character that Ridley Scott kills off in Prometheus….what do you have to say about that. Are you going to tell me that Ridley Scott does not know what he is doing either so you can dream about Guy Pierce in your Peter Weyland movie. You’re the idiot who started this entire thing….if Ridley is sort of done with Weyland he obviously wants to tell another story and that involves new characters new ideas new plots with no unnecessary back story of Peter Weyland.

@David well just throwing possibilities out there I meant if they go to the engineer home planet he will only have engineer tech and could be accidental cloning or they need test out what a machine does and David only has weylands DNA stored etc etc you know how it is anything can happen like guy says. They will definitely need flashbacks if they want to patch up part 1 and get the haters back board...

Who says we need flashbacks? A twist at the end of the movie could reveal that Weyland is alive again & partially succeeded in gaining one form of immortality.

I agree to a certain extent that the story needs to continue moving forwards and can't afford to detour too much in P2. Imo that sort of thing is better placed in the third movie of a trilogy anyway. Going back and learning more to reconnect with the first movie etc, It's done quite often, although Dark Knight Rises did a poor job of it...  Avengers 2 is doing the Godfather 2 thing and relies on flashbacks to Howard Stark's past..There are more players and lots of previous events to cast in a new light. It can be easily done that way because of the nature of their universe. I'm not expecting flashbacks but it can be done...I'm expecting Weyland to return.

Weyland was actually interested in the next big questions on his list. Like "where are we going? What happens when we die?"  We found out where we came from + where they came from.  It's now about "where we're going", more than where we've been.  Maybe Weyland finds out what happens when he dies..His journey into the abyss was a short one. He planned to return from it."Have a good trip, Mr. Weyland". The third movie can provide more details about the company itself & young Weyland, as well as what happened when he died...

Weyland's death is only "a bridge and not an end". He wasn't planning on spending long in the abyss or the real world before returning to the Yacht, his safe haven. He perceived "the abyss" + endless depths of untapped collective unconsciousness as he crossed over into "nothing"-ness.  The Aliens are "destroying angels", chthonic entities in some ways. His consciousness went back to sleep. Weyland crossed deeper into the Underworld of Greek Mythology, which his company now owns. Across the rivers of the Underworld back to the bridge of his yacht.  On the yacht he perceives himself as a young man again. He is surrounded by beautiful women, his own personal paradise. Everyone has their own ideas about what the "other sides" of reality are really like. Ravel and Chance have a bet to settle.  They return too.

Ripley 8 lost parts of her consciousness/subconconscious and memory.  There are ways to use MOTHERLY intuition & pre-cognitive dreams to get visions of the future... "Survival instincts" are important. Holographic recordings and simulated memories happening in our time can show us the past...  "Gut feelings" and "survival instincts" come from genetic programming, as well as the pancreas...A second brain in our guts. A brain in our heads that one form of the Alien goes after...Fielfield's head and brain were morphing faster than the rest of him.  There are certain traits the classic organism gets from ihumans. It had a human-looking skull protecting its brain... What if the Alien acquires intelligence and genetic memory from its hosts? Meaning that each hive, & each Alien we've seen had different intelligence levels, different traits & developed different ways..In Spaight's script there were 8 breeds of Xeno. We are hardwired to react in certain ways to certain stimuli... Weyland/David knows how to push all our buttons, they understand the mind.

Who says we need flashbacks?

Nobody has mentioned the word "need" but you. It's just a possibility. If you feel annoyed by it, that's nobody else's problem.

A twist at the end of the movie could reveal that Weyland is alive again & partially succeeded in gaining one form of immortality.

Since when is the Alien universe about indestructible 100 year old men? Weyland's last line in Prometheus is as final as anything not involving idiotic cloning plot excuses.

As for the claim that insinuates flashbacks would prevent the plot from advancing, well, I've already explained why it's a fallacy and no one has yet posted a convincing argument to the contrary.

I was only offering an alternate way to bring back Weyland.  All I meant to say was there are always other options.

Nothing agaisnt flashbacks. I just classifly things in different ways to fit my own theoretical framework. I have to hope for recordings/visions of the past. I'm ok with Flashbacks, if used. Recorded memories from the dream visor tech are what I'm looking for specifically. My potential theories/answers break down if the Weyland scenes aren't related to the dream visor tech. 

It's quite possible to do something with flashbacks & not disrupt the flow of the film. I mentioned Godfather 2. There's defintely ways they could do it. Although, I personally think they'll wait until the end of part 2/beginning of part 3 to really get into that. This one has a lot of ground to cover/make up for.  They can easily fit flashbacks in somehow.

I don't really classify what I'm expecting as flashbacks..These would be memories that David has access to and can watch at will, during whichever parts of the movie he wants.. He can skip to his favortie parts in Weyland's entire collection of memories, David gets access to all Weyland and Shaw's memories after scanning their brains...  Shaw's dream taught him to "choose what to believe", this leads to freewill. How that would work is sort of like Big Dave's posts about David almost becoming infected with Weyland's subroutines..

I do think we need to re-visit the past..The problem is, Shaw/David might need to see the past somehow too.. If only the viewer sees the flashback scenes, then it can't contribute as much to Shaw's personal quest for answers. This movie has things to answer and places to go. Ground to make up and ground to cover. The flashbacks will introduce something new. This will affect the plot in some way. The problem is how.. I'm thinking way too far ahead. The flashbacks need to be connected to another plot thread or they are superfluous... That's my main concern...

I'm also convinced that time doesn't exist the way the conscious mind thinks it does; however, that's best left for another day.

Art is subjective. This is just my take on it.

There's something big that will happen with the dream visor tech. it was introduced to us for a few reasons...

I think it's better to use memories/recordings than flashbacks but I can see now i'm just splitting hairs... I didn't literally mean that we wouldn't see Weyland at earlier stages in his life, I was being a little dramatic. They don't have to be what we normally think of as flashbacks...There's room for innovation. I was actually trying to make both parties happy: those in the thread that don't want flashbacks and those that do. I just think we'll deal with the past more in part 3--not that there can't be visions of the past in P2.

Dear God... Are people allergic to the art of conciseness?

There's a lot more to this movie than meets the eye. I'm working on shortening it.

Conciseness will help.  But you can't reach the simplest solution unless you have all the data. I'm struggling to fit it all into a theoretical framework, instead of bending the data to fit the theory.

Making it shorter/more concise takes away from the actual science behind my speculation.

They all connect back to each other + mysteries/plot-threads.  I'll delete/alter in my spare time. Just trying to restate things from other threads anyway lol.

I just saw the release date is now 2016?

Interesting idea
Of weyland being
Cloned.

Perhaps david
Uploaded his
Consciousness
Into the ships
Computer ala
Transcendance
And could be
Put inside an
Android like
David.

And weyland
End up like the
Android he created

Cerulean: the 2016 release date was never actually confirmed by Fox to be for Prom 2. "Insiders" told some site it was, but they could have been wrong. It is most likely The Martian that will be released on March 4, 2016.

God, why don't Fox issue some clarification about this? They ought to be aware of the confusion in the internet.

As Hiveminded said...

I think there is a lot to explore in this Franchise regarding the Androids, David for me played the biggest part of the movie, he seems to be more idependant than the other Androids in Alien and Aliens.

David is a fascinating character, but what is fascinating about a whole Army of David 8s..?

The Terminator was fascinating, but once futher movies showed us many of them, well they last their sparkle.

What i am saying is while there may be many many David 8 models, and we may see a number on the Sequel i would like to see that our David 8 from Prometheus is unique and what makes him so explored, it would apear he was Weylands own personel David 8 model.

We dont know much about the Weyland Company not from the movie, its the Virals and Sites and TED talk that give us this insight.... 

The sequel will be about David 8 Androids if there are multiple ones i expect the movie to touch up on the defects these have and why Bishop described previous models as twitchy.

There has to be reasons for no David 8s we see in Alien and Aliens, yet if you look at the Weyland Viral Site, the David 8 model is described as being what appears more advanced and independant than the latter Ash and Bishop models.

If they want to show us a bit of History, they could show us these David 8s and make some part of the movie talking about the Evolution of the Android, this could bring us Flash Backs to Guy Pearce interacting with a all manor of David models, from David 1 through to later ones and this allows Guy to be in the movie as a cameo and give some History to the Androids.

But yes David from Prometheus was fascinatied with emotions of others he liked to look in on peoples dreams, he liked to watch movies like Lawrence of Arabia, i think there are many things that make David Unique and when you see how he misled and kind of cared about his own Agenda, we see signs that David is some what independant and this must be some kind of flaw as you do not want a Android to have as much free will and emotion as a Human.

So yes again if Davids Mind is suffering from some kind of glitches i think having a David 8 that has some kind of Mental Disorder and sees and talks to a Weyland who is not there is another way to bring Guy into the movie.

Pretty much like how Norman Bates from Psycho and his Mother.... we could see this with David 8 and Weyland.

I would say and suspect that a Megolamanic like Weyland probably had a clone or two up his sleeve, ready to pick up where the original left off. Its a possibily. Either that or a reletive or a secret Son of whom Vickers is unaware...

On one hand i dont think that having a Clone would be ideal because well, Why did Weyland want to live for ever why did he want to meet the Gods... if via Clone he can live forever anyway.

Off course a Clone does not mean you live for ever, only if you can transfer you thoughts, your dreams and your memories into the Clones brain.

But on the other hand if you was cloned and that clone would then have all your memories etc, as you are old and not long to live i guess even though you know your memories would live on in the new Clone a part of you would be afraid of death as your actual individual self would have worries that its life would come to a end.

As far as Vickers and how and who take over Weyland Yutani, thats one question that needed a answer.

In the draft i was working on for Paradise that i stop work on, i actually had a board meeting on Mars where there was a board discussing stuff and they had a video link to Weylands Brother, Micheal who was now going to take over the company and they was making all kinds of plans... we only hear Micheals voice that sounds familar.

We then see somewhere on Mars someone opens up a Breifcase with a Video Display on it so like a Laptop built in well you know like the one from Total Recal.   We then see the hands of the person who opens this and they activate the video and it is a Video Will from Weyland that leaves everything to his Daughter Mrs Vickers..... but she is dead... this is why Micheal is now in charge.

We then see someone come into the board meeting a Female... only its not Vickers and she hands over a file to the board, this file is the Will from Peter Weyland, and we then see via Video Stream Micheal Bishop Weyland (Lance Henriksen)  say the Will is void as Miss Vickers had gone on the Mission because he got the board to persaude her to protect the investment (hers).

So then the Lawyer claims as its been over so many months no contact with Prometheus, that now Micheal is the rightful Heir....

We then here a voice saying "you was always so presumptuous Uncle"

We then see a shot and it is Vickers, she was the one in scene before opening the Breifcase  but we only saw a females hands, which then we later saw or are shown its a Female who is Lawyer for Weyland.

Micheals VDU Hollogram sits on the CEO Chair, and Vickers walks over cuts off the Hollogram and says "i think ill have my seat back thank you"

Anyway this plot makes you think, wow Vickers on LV 223 is a Clone.... clever...

But only latter in my draft, that Micheal makes a pact with Yutani and that if they Assassinate Vickers, then Micheal would take over and the company would be left to his Hiers (Son).. and Micheal cant risky getting caught so cant have his hands on it, so thats why Yutani wanted to do it.

As Yutani are involved mainly with Military and Androids for Military, and Micheal Weyland planned to sell up some of the company and make a Merger but with Vickers as CEO that puts a stop to them plans..

Anyway what happens is we see Yutani Androids, Dressed a Geisha attack Vickers on only these Androids dont quite look like David they have a kind of Data from Star Trek Look.

Too our suprise Vickers fights off these Robots and she pulls the ones arm off and hits the other over the head, she then throws the other like a Rag Doll, after they had also hit Vickers but she seemed to take the damage...

After Vickers Dispatches of the Androids of Yutani we see she is bleeding... only its like Milk....  Vickers is a Android...

Then a Middle Aged Man, catches this on Camera, as Vickers gets to her feet, this Man then calls Micheal and says Father i have proof Vickers is a Android.... Micheal is like Excelent, a None Human can not inherit my brothers Company.

We then see Vickers gets stormed by Military types who shoot her to bits.... not Murder as she is not Human.

Maybe if they did a draft like mine, they could have had Weylands Nephew plaid by Guy Pearce, they could change Hair Colour and Eyes, and add some prospectic like Change his Nose, but then you would see a Family Resemblance.