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Prometheus 2 Plot Leak, Mulitple Androids

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BigDave

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Prometheus 2 Plot Leak, Mulitple Androids

I was trying to comment on the news article above..... but could not so i have made this post as a reply.

This is news that maybe adds some weight to the rumour a while ago of multiple David 8 Androids, but this does not 100% prove this rumour was true as nothing is Fact until Ridley or Fox comfirm it.

Ridley had also sugested that the only way forwards is to follow Shaw and David, and he has hinted that LV 223 and its events are too connected to Alien and the Deacon was connected to Alien and that they wish to do something new and fresh and no more Dragons... i.e Xeno.

However Ridley has been misleading in the past with comments so that he can steer us away from some subjects, so maybe we cant rule out a mission to LV 223 and Ridley would want to keep as much of the movie as secret as possible and the only 100% plot device from Prometheus that kind of had to be explored was Shaw and Davids search for Paradise, as well if they was not going that route then what else would they be doing apart from back to LV 223.

Which i think is something that has to be done, as Prometheus left us some unanswered questions and half clues in Prometheus but more than that it left us with some kind of incontinuity as far as the Franchise goes.

You see in Alien the company are aware of the Derelict SOS and we now have to ask, how did the company not find Shaws SOS, and why send the Nostromo to LV 426,  the company seemed to know a little more than was let on, and if they could decode the Space Jockey signal and also recieved Shaws then they would have more of a idea of what is going on.

Even if they never go back to LV 223..... but then why not?

The company have over and over tried to get hold of the Xeno Organism and failed and when they finally achieve this, they fail to control it (Alien Resurection)   and after the events of Aliens it seems the only way to get this Organism was via Ripley and the Sulaco Escape Pods.... (Alien 3) and latter via Ripleys DNA (Alien R)

But we have to ask why? when LV 223 has a whole host of Engineers secrets, and Technology and at the very least the company would known that Prometheus had detected clues from a Alien Race that had in theory created or played a part in our creation.  Why would the company not want to find out what become of Prometheus crew?   And surely if they sent out a probe and detected Shaws SOS and also that the location is not far from the Alien SOS they had detected.

Curiosity killed the Cat, and its certainly something the Weyland company would want to explore.  They would want to wonder what could have caused the downfall of Prometheus, and what connection the location of the two signals are.  They would know that something went down and the crew simply did not disapear but some horrific event must have led to their demise..

Then we have the incontinuity that should they go back to LV 223 or even if not, surely by the time of Alien and and Aliens how can they not detect anything left on LV 223, as LV 223 has pretty much still got the Temple Standing, there are many Engineer Secrets and Technology to be had.  There are many more Temples/Facilities or so it seems.

And certainly is many more Engineers Ships (as David said so) and so surely there are more treasures to be had on LV 223 than the desperate attempt to obtain a Alien Organism on LV 426 especially after many failed attempts.

Surely LV 223 is a better reward, and if they managed to obtain anything of use from LV 223 then why bother the persuit of the Organism in Alien and Aliens, especially after Aliens...

So yes LV 223 is something that can not be left uncovered....

With regards to Alien 5...  well i guess depending on what they find on LV 223 and how they want to persue that would maybe lead to them not needing the events of Alien 3, and also what if the Derelict is not destroyed after the destruction of Aliens... this again would cause a problem as to why persue Ripley in Alien 3 and R....

So maybe the changes to Alien 5 could be connected to somehow something on LV 223 or even the Derelict being salvageable....

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MonsterZero
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  If they are going to use androids.......Then this opens the possibility of Guy Pearce returning as a android version of Peter Weyland(Peter 1?)...think Pearce would jump at the chance to return.  I think the Android division of Weyland would be honored to bring Peter (or his daughter) 'back to life'.

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I'm thinking that somehow the crashed Juggernaught in Prometheus will somehow end up being the one with an entire hanger built up, over and around the entire thing. And in the spirit of parallel story telling threads set-down in the prequels may perhaps be picked up down the line in the latter films of the up-coming sequels.

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One thing that going back to LV-223 might give us is the story about the merger of Weyland and Yutani.  Maybe Yutani is a company specialized in weaponry and they come to aid Weyland in returning to LV-223 from a military angle.  I mean, would Weyland really go back to LV-223 without something to keep them safe while collecting data/specimens (assuming they know what happened with their "scientific" expedition via Prometheus and its crew)?

Full article from Christopher Marc for reference here.

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While certain elemants of this leak ring true, i'm very sceptical about its validaty. We have to ask, what does this person gain from leaking it and could he really have gained inside information (given the security surrounding the original Prometheus scripts?)

I'd like to know if there was any leaks surrounding the original and, if so, how many, if any of said leaks, were realised in the film?

 

The poster was good though!

 

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It's like goo leaking from an urn....

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^ Thats mental ^ is that you in that helmet Ruh?

The poster was good though!

 

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Ruh; is that tobacco in your helmet?

The poster was good though!

 

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LOL Hooka helmet indeed!  The ultimate is the Space Jockey Helmet though....life long career ambition to boldly go where angels fear to snork.  The Spice must flow

 

 If he had a helmet there would be less distractions

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Having recently watched CHAPPIE, I think MonsterZero has a good point with the idea of having an android Peter Weyland, or something related to that. Maybe even multiple Weylands. I think plot changes have come about due to ideas about how to use technology. Ridley may not be doing Bladerunner, but I just wonder what ideas he may have had for Bladerunner have overspilled into P2. I am more than prepared to entertain the idea of there being multiple Davids. In a strange way it makes a lot of sense.

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I would equally like to see them entertain the idea of rivalling multiple Bishops!!

And perhaps that could be the reason for many strange happenings and explanations as to how an egg actually got aboard if there will be no going down Aliens: Colonial Marines route with the Sulaco being intercepted but it would add interesting depth and parallel-story telling themes to Lance Henrickson's portrayles... 

I would love to see an android vs android fight in an Alien based film... that would be cool! A David 8 fighting against another David 8!!

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   I think Peter Weyland would use the best parts and the latest tech for 'his' android bodies. Making his android series far superior!....but unfortunately they can't be trusted. Seems Peter's androids are a little dangerous.......some lab tech deaths and other problems.....All the Peter Weyland model androids were reportedly destroyed.

 

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Wasn't the head of the company revealed to be an android a couple times in the video games?  I could easily see Peter Weyland uploading his mind into his own personal Weyland android or showing up within the David collective somehow.  

I'm picturing a David that can't quite free himself from Weyland's underlying programming + his love for Lawrence of Arabia (which Weyland shares with David).  Basically, half the Davids become unable to free themselves from Weyland's mind/influence/cultural programming, and David goes to war with himself.  A war begins between the Davids, within and without their minds, to free the collective.

Maybe the Davids end up at war with themselves over whether or not to drop the bioweapon on the Engineers.  There are Engineers alive on Paradise, but Weyland wishes for David to drop the goo on them from orbit, to test the results.  Once everything is dead, Miss Shaw can conduct archaeology as she was intended to do. Archaeology still works if the group in question is dead.  Maybe Weyland corp gathered enough data from LV-223 that they're ready to finish off the entire Engineer population before they get another chance to use the goo on us. Weyland plans to have squads of military-type Davids exterminate all the remaining Engineers, in order to steal all the fire before the Engineers become a problem. Shaw descends to the planet with a supposedly good David to warn the Engineers what's going on over their heads.  Ms. Shaw & the good Davids ally with the Engineers in order to stop the holocaust.

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@BigDave

wait I though the weyland-yutani corporation went bankrupt and was bought out by Walmart in Alien Ressurection, also it was the United Systems Military that was trying to control the Xenos not the company.

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i don t like this idea to come back on the planet LV223,I DON T THING THAT THEY WILL HAVE SUCCES AT  BOX OFFICE. BUT IF THEY DO PROMETHEUS 3 AND  SHOW US PARADISE PLANET,PROMETHEUS 3 WOULD BE A HUGE HIT BEFORE THEY EVEN TURN ON THE CAMERA!!!

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One thing that seems to have been forgotten was Ridley Scotts original intentions behind doing the Prometheus movies. The first he has already achieved; to reveal the identity of the race of alien seen, and ignored in 1979s Alien - to answer the question "Who was the big guy in the chair".

But Ridley also had two other reasons for starting the Prometheus franchise, one of which was to uncover the how and why the company knew of the derelict Juggernaut on Acheron LV-426, whereas the other was to realise on the big screen the Alien homeworld.

The multiple Davids is an interesting idea, and completely viable as seen in The Matrix Reloaded/Revolutions and will most likely be used on a return mission to LV-223, Paradise however I suspect IS the Alien homeworld, and the how and why that would make that possible is what will make the wait worth while - IMO at at least.

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Certainly be interesting to see where they go with it as there is so much much potential...

Interesting you feel that Paradise will be the Homeworld of the Alien, i think do you mean as far as the Xenomorph or its decendant?

The clues i got dont take me that way, but they leave me stuck between two...

1) The Xeno or related Organism is something the Engineers or a faction of them came across and then continued to re-engineer this lifeform and use it to futher evolve their Tech, as we are shown our Engineers are a race who go around seeding DNA on worlds then manipulating the DNA to create a whole manner or things...

Could the Xeno be something they either..

i) Created from Scratch.

ii) Created from something they came across, either by accident or purpose.

2) That the Engineers are part of some bigger picture and that the Xeno is something the Engineersand maybe what ever created the Engineers also created the Xeno for two different purposes, that is why there is a connection between the Engineers Bio-Tech and architecture and the Xenos.

So the Engineers borrowed there Tech maybe from reverse Engineering the Xeno.

There is some connection to the Xeno Bio-Mechanical Look and also the ability they have to produce their Hives i,e as far as the building material and a connection to our Engineers Building Material and Technology.

So the question should be.. does the Xeno (or its origins) and its Bio-Tech come from the Engineers, or does the Engineers Tech come from the Xeno.... or do they both come from something else.

I had been taken down the route of 1)...

But could be that we are going the route of 2)..

Due to Ridleys comments, where he sugests he never wanted to meet God in  the first movie and so our Engineers are not Gods.. but something else or some race is above them in the order of creation and hierarchy...

Ridleys futher comments about what happens if the Goo is used on God? or a Machine, again could lead to there being a higher being or race or even a Machine at the top of the hierarchy...

If we look at a lot of Gigers work, it does show us a lot of Bio-Mechanical things such as Factories and Bio-Mech Industry... 

And as you brought up Matrix, if we see the Matrix and take out Humans, what we have is indeed something similar, add a Giger twist to that, throw in God like creator and then i think this is a path we are going...

No more Gods and Dragons!

 

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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Predator: Badlands - coming November 7th, 2025

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That's great. 

HMMMM........

Any other  juicy tidbits ??

LOL

Anyways thanks . 

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Indeed some things are starting to add up now..... as was said in March and that come November 2015 we shall see Information finally and officially come out regarding the next Installment and the Franchise.

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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"Any other  juicy tidbits"

I guess the Topic i started in April lol..... have to try and re-do it a bit, i have a few Posts i wish to start... One being a What happened to Space Jockey and look at Holes in the Clues and Clues that lead us down certain path.

I think also a thread on Alien: Prequels.. starting with Covenant and what we know so far... as in Offical Clues and Comments and where this seems to be sending us...

You could always oduodu PM us ;)

R.I.P Sox  01/01/2006 - 11/10/2017

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