Enoch333: I disagree, for example they had new ships in Star Wars if you look at the different movies so why wouldn't they be able to do so in Prometheus? Designs improve and so on so it could be done in Alien Covenant also but I understand what you mean.

Yes the characters are the main worry, the design of the ship and so on was good. I hope that they will pay some attention to what people disliked about Prometheus.

Fingers Crossed they do.....

Here are problems Prometheus had.... these would kind of sway to what i would see as Problems.

*Pacing... the movies pacing was off and it was not a long movie which a extra 40 Minutes would have made all the difference and effected the next point!

*Characters... there was little effort put into Characters we could attach and connect with, ok you have Characters that dont matter but the ones that was supposed to, they did not give enough time to develop them into a way we was supposed to care. So only real Characters they did make effort with were.... David, Shaw, Holloway, and Janek and also Vickers and Weyland to a degree.

*Characters PT2... they did not make good use of Characters... the movie had to many like trying to be clever tongue in cheek gags and bit Goofy/Cheesy...  it was not seriously written like Alien... Aliens had 1-2 Characters in this Cheesy way but it was done right considering the use of other Characters... in Prometheus, more than what was needed was done in a Cheesy way for a Serious Sci Fi movie.....

Then we had Milburn and Fifield... and the lets pet a space Cobra....  now the Spaights draft the Characters behaved more realistic but in a boring way... Lindeloffs draft they was better written and had better explanations for what was happening.

So the Shooting Draft was where things where changed for the worst.

*The movie was too ambigious, and connections not thought out... we dont need Spoon Fed Answers but it was far too incoherent in some aspects.

*The movie in connection to above, could have gave a bit more light on Xeno DNA connections and connections between Xeno and Engineers.... but i guess a 2nd movie could have done that... but what if there was no 2nd movie? And also they said a 2nd movie would steer away from such things... leaving the Xeno/Engineer connection a bit of a mess for some to figure out.

some of the unused concepts would have helped, and just that few more seconds looking at clues and odd vague comment pointing to a few things... like how it was done well with Janeks, tale about Nuke a Science Lab due to a outbreak comment!

*The movie needed to use better effects to portray our Engineers so we see them as 10ft+ Race, but no Lord of the Rings/Hobbit Special Effects were used and we could clearly see the Engineers were nowhere near as big as the Space Jockey the scale was all messed up, mainly with the Last Engineer and Human interaction scenes... but the Ghost Scenes too... where the keen eye would see they appeared only 8ft Tall.

*EDIT/CUT this is the biggest problem, there was a better cut to be had, they way some scenes were changed for some reasons that then meant others had to be cut as it would conflict with the other edited scenes, left the movie a mess.

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However it seems Fox and Ridley have felt here are the main reasons that Prometheus failed to a degree..

*Not enough Xeno DNA that people could connect with the 1979 movie Alien

*No explanation to how the Xenomorph came to be, and how it ended up on the Derelict.

*Movie went to deep into Religon/Mythos and Gods connection of the Engineers, rather than about a Alien Race who have deadly Bio Weapons and why.

*Movies clues where to ambigious for people to understand and connect to Alien Universe.

*Movie lacked Lead Characters that Alien and Aliens had... again David being the exception.

As far as Ship Designs......  Everyship in Alien Franchise looks a bit different, i dont think they have to keep a certain style...

They never give the movie much thought and consider all contridictions  before they release the Plot...

Originally it was to be on LV-426 they changed this to a near by LV-223 so we can get some kind of connection to Alien, but not have it the same World.... in doing this it meant they was off to a System some 39 LY years away in Zeta 2 Reticuli..

whats the problem with that?  Nothing? Apart from the Ship Design....

Prometheus was in its prime, (yet Viral site claims it was 20+ years old) it was a very high tech peice of engineering, and Ridley claimed the Nostramo was like older in time of Alien and seen more use and also was less quality.... i guess they saying Prometheus was a 4-5* Hotel.... Nostramo was a 2-3* Bed and Breakfast lol

But Nostramo was built in the year 2101..... but the Quality is fine... i mean they never had the Technology in 1978 to produce futuristic looking ships interiors as they can now... but the Nostramo and Sulaco both looked very good....

The problem came with the Speeds.....  Nostramo seemed able to Travel to Earth at a rate of near 50X Light Speed... the craft was launched in 2101....  while Prometheus was launched in 2072 and so i guess the Prometheus 30 year difference would allow for the fact it was only able to travel 20X Light Speed...

So again not much of a Problem.......

But with Covenant is where they now face such a problem....

Is the Covenant going to be aesthetically pleasing as the Prometheus inside and out, or more like the Nostramo?  or maybe kind of in the middle?

HOW FAR..... is Paradise? This is the KEY QUESTION.... one i hope they have really thought about.... The Synopsis says on the far side of the Galaxy... well thats 10's thousands of light years!  But Prometheus was going to a place in the darkest part of the Universe... well thats vastly futher than a Galaxy yet they went just 39 Light Years.

But we cant read into that much because as with Paradise being Dark and Dangerous.. it may mean as far as Sinister.... so LV-223 was one of the most Sinister places in the Universe.... as yes it was a place these Engineers were making something deadly and evil to use on Earth.

Determining how far Paradise is... has impact to how Logical the Movie would be...

This would then have to fit in with the few Questions... that could effect the Design of the ship....

1) When did the Covenant leave on its mission to Paradise.

2) Where is Paradise Located in Light Years.

The movie is set in the year 2104 by the time it arrives... if they have the ship had left about the same time or prior to Prometheus and Paradise is vastly futher away...  we then have to hope they take into account the Speed of Prometheus and that it can cover upto 20 Light Years per year.... unless they explain why Prometheus took so long to get to LV-223 because we would assume a dying Weyland would want to get there sooner rather than latter...

If you have a illness and have weeks to live and never been to Australia... and its your dying wish.... why would you travel from the USA or EU by Boat.... surely you would want to go by Plane!

So i hope they take into account Ship Design as well as Age, and Technological Range.....   i.e we have to assume Prometheus Class has a Range of 200 Light years over a time of 10 years.

This is Covenant set out the same year as Prometheus, and was of similar Technology then it should mean Paradise would be about 200 Light Years away.  If Paradise is futher then i hope they have it that Covenant leaves after Weyland is dead i.e after say year 2095 and simply in the year 2091 the Technology for faster ship than Prometheus did not exist and by the time it did Weyland would have died.

Or Yutani for example had better ships but would not let Weyland use them... this i think would be silly....

Anyway we cant look into Weyland Viral site for to much information because Mankind had traveled as far as 1600 Light Years before Prometheus was ever Launched.... so if thats true then well they had ships that should got to LV-223 in weeks. Easy!

As far as the Plot...... i hope this movie or the next two cover these important factors.

1) Are there any Engineers or Hierarchy on Paradise when David arrives, if so what happened to them by the time Covenant arrives... if there are none when David arrives then will we get clues as to why not...  And if there is no one to answer Shaws Questions, how do we get some of the answers... There are ways to do this with no Engineers.... but it would be a shame to never see a Engineer or Hierarchy again in the franchise... even if its Ghost Engineer Scenes.... but i feel to make the movie work and next movies they have to show us a alive Engineer or Hierarchy.

If not surely they cant dangle the Engineer Carrot and never explore it... like with the Space Jockey when we saw this Giant Being in that Chair and no one never explored who he was, where he was from and why he was there and with that Cargo.... until Prometheus attempted to answer this Question.

2) Explain to a degree what happened to Shaw.... maybe we never see how David gets put back together, and how Shaw could survive the journey i.e Cryo Sleep... but i think by the next 2 movies they have to say what happened to her they cant have David not mention it... maybe he dont to the Covenant... or says she never made it... but be nice for the audience to get more clues to why and what happened.

3) They have to cover what the Hell happens to LV-223 from between 2094 and at very latest 2150 i.e when Hadleys Hope was set up....  as LV-223 is surely a better place to make a Colony.... unless

a) LV-426 has some Minerals etc to Mine that LV-223 has not!

b) The plan all along was to get the Colony infected with the Xeno... which would then mean they have to explain how the company knew about the Xeno life-cycle and surely LV-223 has much more Treasures than just a Derelict ship with a Egg Cargo.

These are just as important as...

This is how the Xeno was made, this is how the Xeno got on the Derelict and this how the movies link to Ripley...

Now i dont think we need a Spoon Fed way of getting Shaws Answers for how the movie seemed it was going.... prior to Alien Covenant and we dont need Shaw to be there for the answers... here are the Questions Prometheus raised *!  here are ones Shaw wants to ask *? some of which overlap.

*? Why did the Engineers play a role in our Creation?

*? To then want to destroy us or change us with the Bio-Weapon on LV-223?

*? The Engineers were Mortal but played a role in our Creation, but who created the Engineers?

*! Why did they leave clues to LV-223 for Mankind?

*! What was the LV-223 Engineers Agenda, and its it different to the whole Engineer and Hierarchy Agenda?

*! Better Explanation for why and what purpose LV-223 had, was it always a Bio-Weapons Faclity?

*! Why did the Engineer never come back to LV-223 or Earth to finish the job?

*! Did those Engineers or Hierarchy (on Paradise) know about Mankinds Creation or Evolution and did they know LV-223 was being used to create such Evil Biology?

*! What state is the Engineers/Hierarchy Culture in as of the time David arrives at Paradise and what became of such a Advanced Ancient Race?

*! The movie was losely hinting at God/Creation/Worship and Mythos connection to how these Engineers were seen as by Ancient Man... Ridley made refferences to Fallen Angels, and the Tale of Paradise Lost....  are they going to loosely show us why these connections where vaguely shown?

*! Where are any Engineers now? are they all gone?

*! We need a bit more information on the connection to LV-223 and Xeno DNA, did it Originate from LV-223 or some place else, and what Genetic Connection on LV-223 was there and when/how did that come to be on LV-223?

*! Ultimatelty be the end of the Franchise, we have to know how the Xenomorph came to be and what purpose did it have for the Agenda of the Engineers/Hierarchy!

What we really dont need to know is.... why the Goo was going to be used and what happened to the Space Jockey because the answers would be answered when trying to adress the above.

So yes we never had to get Spoon Fed Answers....

They even dont have to show what happens from when Shaw has David Head in that bag and body and to when David Arrives at Paradise... the notion that he would be put together would tell you something had to happen without having to explain it..

Same thing with the Space Jockey, by answering some other Questions we can get to know what happens, without showing the Space Jockey Alive and on that ship and then the loading of the Cargo or Evolving of the Cargo and then how he got infected and then Chest Buster and what happened to the Chest Buster...

None of those have to be shown to know what happened depending how other Questions are answers and clues... same would be with David on Paradise as to how he got there.....  the only thing is they would have to explain in a way why Shaw is not with him.... especially if in future movies she plays NO ROLE at all.

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We dont have to be spoon Fed, Originally Shaw never had to get Answers directly.. shes not gonna have to find a bunch of Engineers or Engineers Creators who then say, well we created those Engineers some Rebelled and wanted to Harm Mankind.. Blah Blah... not in a way that would tread closer to a Engineer re-telling of the Bible Creation, Rebelion Tale etc. Not too Literally...

it can be done in other ways....

Lets look at Prometheus... what Questions was they trying to find out...

* If these Star Maps in Ancient Culture lead us to that place LV-223 will we find evidence of our Creation and Creators?

* Will we find out why we was created and meet these creators?

* If indeed the Star Map does lead to a place where some beings are who played a part in our creation ...Why did they stop comming to visit us?

They never found a group of Godlike beings who said... hi welcome children yes we created you, and for this purpose and this is why we never came back etc...

Nope!  We found out they had played some part in our creation, Genetically they match, they never came back because they are all dead by the looks of it....   They had fallen victim to something Horrid a Bio-Logical Threat.... they they had created, that was intended for us... but it back fired.. got out of hands and destroyed nearly all of them...

Only one left alive, who apeared to hint that Mankind was not invited to this place, they also never come from this place and that what ever they was doing on that place as far as the Evil Bio-Weapons it was intended for us.. and this awoken Engineer then resummed the mission that they had intended to do thousands of years before...

I think just how they got those Answers that raised Questions... is how if think Shaws new Questions should be Answered but in a way that Answers some of the Ambigious elements of Prometheus and then lead new Questions that a next movie could answer...

But now it seems Alien Covenant is a new direction, we cant be sure how many of these things would be adressed!

Big Dave:

I didn’t think about the pacing that much but they would have needed more answers.

The characters were really disappointments. Most of the characters were just boring unfortunately/badly written. Exactly some of the characters that were important but that I didn’t care for much were for example Shaw, her boy friend (what ever his name was), and Weyland.

Milburn and Fifield is a chapter in itself. I didn’t like them at all, they just seemed stupid. Maybe they were not that fun in the Spaight’s script but at least they made more sense. What ever if they were better explained in Lindeloff’s draft if they were explained like crap in the final movie?

Yes it was too ambigous, they didn’t need to give us spoon feed us answers but having the story being more explanatory. I think that they should give us some more answers to the Xeno in the next movie not going some other route. Sure we don’t need a pure Xeno movie but at least we should be given some more answers.

The Ghost holograms were interesting but the explanations to the Engineers could have been a lot better. I think that it was really dumb to not give subtitles to the Weyland Engineer conversation since it would explain Weyland’s motivation (something that I have discovered later what the conversation was about because the movie didn’t explain that conversation DUH).

“However it seems Fox and Ridley have felt here are the main reasons that Prometheus failed to a degree..

*Not enough Xeno DNA that people could connect with the 1979 movie Alien

*No explanation to how the Xenomorph came to be, and how it ended up on the Derelict.

*Movie went to deep into Religon/Mythos and Gods connection of the Engineers, rather than about a Alien Race who have deadly Bio Weapons and why.

*Movies clues where to ambigious for people to understand and connect to Alien Universe.

*Movie lacked Lead Characters that Alien and Aliens had... again David being the exception.”

It seems that they have understood the main problems, which is what they need to see in order for things to improve.

Sure the ships can look different but they can look at different designs that exist in reality but of course imagination is good too when they shall look at space ships and so on.

I didn’t mind that it was set on another planet, that was alright. Of course one can get technical about the ships but I am not sure if the people in general that watched the movie cared about that (the science geeks probably did).

Yutani is a part of it but I have never thought that she was very important in the Alien franchise. I never looked at the Weyland web page because I don’t think that you should need to do that much work yourself in order to understand what the movie is about. Here is another thing that they made a mistake with before Prometheus was released.

Since Paradise seems to be important to the Engineers it would be nice if there are some left in order to see how their society is made up and so on. Some live Engineers would be better than holograms because they already tried that which wasn’t very convincing.

Leave the explanation about Shaw to be told briefly just let David say something about her and leave it at that.

I think that they should show some connections between LV-223 and LV-426. Hadleys hope was on LV-426 and not LV-223 as far as I know but I can be mistaken about this. The company probably knew about the Xeno by Alien (1) so how is the connection between that and what happened with the colony in Aliens? Maybe the company planned these colonies by the time of Prometheus.

We could get some of the answers to Shaw’s questions but maybe not all just these that are the most important to understand the story.

As far as David getting his head back they just need to show that it happened not how because honestly I am not that interested in that issue. When we see him getting his head on we can assume that he talked her into doing that.

Sure they got some answers but that raised more questions that were something that was bit annoying. I am not sure if this is a Lindelof way to write things but I understand that some people get annoyed by it.

Alien Covenant should give us answers to questions that were put in Prometheus otherwise it would be lame. I think that Ridley and Fox understand that people want answers or else it is good bye to Prometheus. The movie will probably go into a new direction and I guess that it will be for the better even though it might not be 100% satisfactory.

Yes by pacing i was refering to the movie seemed rush from point to point where as a little more time spent on some of the Characters could have made the Audience feel connected to a few a bit more... there was some on the deleted scenes and Lindeloffs draft did flesh them out more...

Have you read Lindeloffs draft?  You will see afterwards that Ridley and Fox made a mess of the movie and not Lindeloff.... Stupid Scenes... well there was good explantion in Lindeloffs draft...

I was going to re-write Prometheus make it a movie that was better to see on Paper... i was not going to re-write the lot... just what would i have done if Ridley Scott showed me the Spaights and Lindeloff Drafts and asked me to do a re-write and then i would not change much....   I would Cut 10% of Lindeloffs draft... i would add about 20% Spaights... then add another 20% that would Tidy up Scenes and be less ambigious..... for a movie that on Paper would add about 40 Min to the running time...

But i never got round to it....

But to be honest when you read Lindeloffs drafts you will be like, yeah sounds pretty good.... not much you would add unless you wanted a Xeno Fest Movie.

Its the way the movie was Finally Shot and Edited and Cut that made the mess of things... I dont think Lindeloff is to blame much apart from some dialog being a bit Goofy and Cheesy... Its how the draft was put to screen thats the Problem.

A lot of Ambiguity was in the Visuals too, but Lindeloff said the Answers are there... and by that i think its the Dialog that gives the Clues, such as Shaws "there was a outbreak" and her "its us" when she looked at the DNA and Janeks comments about the Mission he had to Nuke a Facility because some Scientists Spilt something.  Other comments like Davids "sometimes to create one must first destroy" it the Dialog that gives the most hints, than the Visuals....

I feel the Visuals could have been less Ambigious but is anyone but Ridley to blame for this?

Spaights draft was on LV-426....  While his Plot Devices were more coherent  and thought out and Characters acted in a more cautious way, they was all a bit bland.

Lindelof did a better job in evolving things... only they became a bit incoherent   and he added a bit too much Goofy Elements to the movie... But i dont mean the Fifield and Milburn getting Lost and trying to Pet a Space Cobra... these were not in his Draft.

But we dont know whos Draft the Final Shooting draft came from... was it another by Lindeloff or did Ridley and Fox re-work his Draft into a Shooting Script that well they messed up....

I completely dont know really where Covenant is going.... the clues and Synopsis seem a U-Turn.... but then the Shooting Locations, Micheal Beigns Comments and Noomi Rappaces Reaction to if she is part of the movie... all hint to maybe some elements of what we had thought we was going to see could still happen.

I could throw a few good ideas around.......

*I think we have to see Flash Backs of the Engineers, hopefully more than the Sacrifical Scene even extended one... but we dont have to focus on them in detail...

*I think we could do with seeing a Engineer or few, but with the Alien Covenant U-Turn i feel there are none left to speak of... but i would think there had to be some remains of them prior to Davids Arrival.

*I would think there was more going to Shaw and David, but we dont have to see every aspect... we saw the Juggernaught leave at the end of Prometheus and we have to the  assume.

a) It was Shaw and David, in which case Shaw put him back together or must been some way David needed Shaw to be able to Pilot the Ship.

b) As above but only David makes it to Paradise, which means David must have been assembled more as how can a head get rid of Shaw? and be greeted by the crew of Covenant.

c) The Juggernaught at the end of Prometheus was not the one David and Shaw was heading to take... but this would just be plain stupid.

*But since the U-Turn like how we never saw David and Shaw and how they managed to take off on the Juggernaught, we dont have to see the Gap Between Shaws SOS and the Juggernaught setting off to Paradise?  We dont have to see what happened during the Journey...

Shaw is not in the movie, yet she first played a minor role...  the movie is set 10 years after Prometheus... with a Evolving Creature... I think it would be a good idea if the crew find David alone.... but then he later shows them Shaw and says she became ill on the journey and needs Medical Assistance...  and what if we see Shaw gets Chest Busted...

This would leave us wondering... how the hell did this happen... and also where are the Engineers..... i think this could be left ambigious so the next movie via Flash Backs could show that David has unleashed Hell on Engineers and Infected Shaw...

*Covenant name has to play a role... i would like to see it as a Agreement between David and Engineers, Shaw and Engineers or in the past Engineers and there Agenda to visit Earth and Destroy us... a Pact to reframe from something.....

What i dont want to see is what it seems we are going to see.

*Daniels as a new Lead Lady... with 2 more sequels how can she be one to play the Lead Role... unless she goes off to another World for similar answers to what Shaw wanted...

*Xeno Movie Fest.... we have 2 more after Covenant... how much screen time to Xenos do we need... and what of the aftermath of a Engineer Homeoworld... no Engineers, a Crew of a Colony Ship.... Xenos unleashed and killing off lots of the crew... and what at the end... Daniels would survive... what about David and what side or role would he play..... and how can they do another 2 more movies if there are no Xenos left.... if there are then how does Daniels survive the next two movies?

*Ripley... yes Ridley said there are links to Ripley but its a big suprise... he has a very big suprise and plans for how we find David on Paradise and also the Ripley link.... i hope any Ripley links are vague... and are a distant relation..... i.e Mother, Father, Unlce, Auntie or Sister...  and i hope its not Daniels...

Big Dave: Yeah I have read Lindelof’s draft and even though the characters were less good than in Spaight's draft they were at least better than what we see in the movie. As far as stupid scenes they seem to have some explanation in Lindelof’s draft even though they were inferior to what Spaights did.

It seems to me that Lindelof explained Weyland better than what we see in the movie.

As far as a Xeno movie goes well I would add a bit more Xeno to it but maybe not much. I would probably have had other kind of monsters in it. Yes I agree that the way they edited it made it worse than what it could have been. Important scenes were cut and in the end you end up like “what was it that I saw?” and it makes little sense.

Spaight's dialogue was better but than the dialogue that Lindelof did but eventually Lindelof's was better than what we see in the final movie so I put it in this order as far as dialogue is concerned:

1. Spaights
2. Lindelof
3. Final movie

Maybe Lindelof said that the answers are there but they are not satisfactory and too vague. They should have cleaned that up after Lindelof re-wrote it. Perhaps there were some answers in the visuals but to believe that people will understand the story from vague visuals and some dialogue if it is vague is maybe to believe too much as far as how much attention people pay to things. I don’t say that viewers are stupid but I say that you can’t stay extremely focused throughout the whole movie something that Lindelof’s draft required (even less so than the final movie). The visuals should have been less ambiguous but I am not sure if Ridley is the only one to blame because maybe Fox had its part in it also, even though Ridley also played a part.

I guess that those to blame are 1. Fox 2. Ridley 3. (and much less) Lindelof

Spaight's version wasn’t perfect but at least it was better than Lindelof’s and what we finally got. It wasn’t a perfect movie but I would have preferred if they had more of the Spaights script although in a modified way so a higher percentage of the final movie would have contained more of the ideas that Spaights had.

I didn’t know that the Fifield and Milburn fiasco and them getting lost was not in his script. I wonder where these dumb things came from? Alright so Lindelof is not to blame so who did these stupid decisions? We will probably never know the answers but I am still curious to know about that.

As far as where the Covenant is going well I don’t know but I prefer to be surprised when I see that but the visuals is not the most important thing. The characters are the most important thing at least to me.

From reading this message board I can see that many people have interesting ideas not only you but other people as well. What if some of these ideas make it into the final movie, that would be cool although I doubt that a lot of it will be there.

The Engineers: I hope that we will see more of them since they seem to play and important role. Maybe some people want to see more of a Xeno movie but since they played an important part in Prometheus it would be a shame to totally get rid of them because if they do the risk is that it will just become another Xeno movie. The Engineers (as well as the characters in general) must be made interesting or else it is done.

If Shaw isn’t alive in the movie I think that they need to mention something about how she died, I think that David could tell it in some way. Maybe David could show Shaw in some hologram so she isn’t there in person but she is there so to speak. This might work at least she should be given some importance in Alien Covenant although she shouldn’t be the main focus by far. Didn’t you say something about Rappace’s reaction when they asked her about Prometheus 2? Maybe that is what her answer (or non-answer) means?

OK so David might create hell for the Engineers but why would be kill Shaw? This is something that I don’t understand.

I think that Daniels might be interesting and maybe she will be the one that will get some of the answers that Shaw asked? I think that this could be alright if they make Daniels an interesting character. Maybe some people would be disappointed by this but I wouldn’t.

Hopefully they won’t make this into a pure Xeno movie although they could have more Xeno elements in it (we have already seen them in four movies + the Deacon). I think that Daniels should survive depending on if they make her into an interesting character.

The Ripley connection: I don’t think that it needs a lot of work. Maybe some character that has got a fairly small role could be a clue to this. I know that Ripley was an important part in the Alien movies but she should not be the main focus in the series from Prometheus to the Alien movies especially if they plan to do some more Prometheus movies. It seems that Scott likes to surprise people and would having Daniels as a relative to Ripley be too obvious? At least I think so.

Very good posts Dave and Thoughts Dreams.

I wanted to ask you something about Prometheus filming that might have some relevance to Covenant.

Not so long ago, I came across this really good article on our SCIFIED about Prometheus filming in Spain (I knew about that) in Alicante and Ciudad de la Luz, but two years ago when I watched almost 4 hours long excellent documentary (Furious Gods) about Prometheus filming, there wasn't anything about Spain at all or anything about the scenes of that type (water and beach)...

TOPIC LINK

So, in this topic many of you discussed about those scenes that were filmed in Spain for almost full three months (which is oddly long time; you could film whole movie in that time)... We know that yacht scenes were never filmed but we have them in screenplay... But what if they had something more (that wasnt on that script) that is going to be in sequel... Maybe Ridley filmed significant part of second movie there and now he is going to complete filming for second and third movie and publish two films in a short period of time... Maybe Rapace filmed her scenes back in Spain...????

What do you think??
Dave forgot to mention this...! :) :)

 
Remeber the Ridley's interviews back in 2013, when he said that the script for second is already ready...(source http://www.theguardian.com/)
Here is the article to confirm this:
LINK

So what the hell happended???
Now is 2016. as far as I know... :)

He said back in 2013 that Peglan finished the script... maybe Green and Logan togeher with Peglan wrote the second and the third by now...?
Maybe Ridley all along planed to shoot all those three sequels back to back...??

Enoch333: "But what if they had something more (that wasnt on that script) that is going to be in sequel... Maybe Ridley filmed significant part of second movie there and now he is going to complete filming for second and third movie and publish two films in a short period of time... Maybe Rapace filmed her scenes back in Spain...????"

I think that I remember that in a way but I honestly don't know. Just because they are shooting some scenes doesn't mean that they will be in the movie. Even if they shot these things they might have changed their minds about it but if they keep them in Alien Covenant it will help as far as the release of the movie is concerned because then they already have some material but then the scenes need to make sense.

I agree with you! All I wrote are just my speculations (I doubt they are correct)...
but who knows.

Some updates for crew: Dave add Chris Seagers as Production Designer (100% correct information) and  Roger Gillespie as Head Plasterer for Alien: Covenant (thats new info).
Tim Giessauf (Linkedln link) will serve as Production Runner (SFX Production Assistant) in Alien Covenant (also new info), Dan Walker - Concept Artist (worked on Martian and Star Wars ep 7)... 

Damien Drew - Art Director

many more soon! :) :) 

Chris Seagers

Roger Gillespie (Linkedln link) 


Tim Giessauf

 LIST OF OTHER MAJOR CREW MEMBERS (OFFICIAL) :

1. James Farrington – Pre-vis Artist, Shot Creator
2. Jason McDonald – Visual Effects
3. Andrew Chan - Assistant Art Director
4. Mary Barltrop – Location Manager (from October 2015; for Australia)
5. Genevieve Blewitt – Soft Furnishing Lead
6. Belinda Cusmano – Set Designer (Chris Seagers is her Chief)
7. Francesca Sabeto – Prop maker
8. Sara Joyce – Props maker
9. Stuart Brown – Creature & Vehicle modelling, Shot creation and Compositing
10. Gloria Bava – Tailor in Fox Studios, Australia
11. Warren Harrington – Second Assistant Accountant
12. Rebecca Vujanovic - VFX Coordinator

P.S. Many of the crew can be found on LINKEDIN!!!

Dave, add Demián Bichir on cast list ;)

I find it very interesting (I'm Australian) that Ridley is filming in Australia. One thing I found very strange in Prometheus is that the Australian Aboriginal peoples were not listed amongst the ancient star map examples of the ancient peoples of Earth. The Australian Aboriginals left paintings and etching up to forty five thousand years ago. These predate almost all other renderings and contain celestial maps, alien like likenesses and very strange humanoid imagery. I look forward to seeing if this history makes its way into Covenant.

Looks familiar?

Four new cast members

Alien: Covenant Adds Four More To Cast! From left to right: Amy Seimetz, Carmen Ejogo, Jussie Smolett and Callie Hernandez